The thing we're talking about is it's Joe rogan,

interviewing

Steve Jobs, and we'll sell the background of how it works. But basically,

it's both it's all AI generated.

And Joe rogan is inter fake Joe rogan is interviewing fake Steve Jobs. And I I got a little emotional because, like, I like Steve I kinda like Steve Jobs, but I respect him a ton and just hearing him talk about topics that seemed modern. I was like, he's, you know, he's back from the dead. You know what I mean? I wouldn't exactly say he's one of my heroes, but he's someone I respect and just I'm like, oh my god, the dead is alive again. And that was Let let let's pull it up. So the way I think we should do this episode is

I think we I think we focus on AI.

I think we show some of the stuff that has caught our attention. So it's kind of a show and tell. So if you if you listen to the podcast, I think you're gonna wanna be on YouTube right now, to actually see this stuff. And when you're there, you're gonna wanna subscribe.

And when you subscribe, you're gonna wanna share your tell your friend. No. But, like, you do wanna go to YouTube and just, I don't know, go to YouTube and search my first million, and then then click the channel. This will be, you know, the AI upset will be up there. Ben is gonna screen share here. And Ben, do we have audio? Let's play a little bit of the intro. Well, let me let let me give you the background really So it's a company called play dot h t.

But the and the one of their side projects is a thing called podcast dot ai. And, basically, what they did was

they gave their AI

algorithm or program whatever you wanna call it. They gave their,

program

Steve Jobs's biography,

which is and I think they actually gave him one or two of his biographies because there's two or two major ones Then they basically gave, they gave the program every single Steve Jobs recording. I think ever or any of it they could find on the internet. Along with every Joe rogan episode ever.

And they made

Joe rogan interview

Steve Jobs. And in the interview, it's like twenty five minutes long. They talk all about all types of stuff, but they say some amazing things like Joe rogan does the intro and he goes, like, he teases out the who who it is just like he does in real life. He goes, what's up freak bitches? Which I don't even think he says anymore. But he said that in all the early episodes. He goes, what's up freak bitches?

Today's guest is someone who's incredibly smart, incredibly Oh, well, you can just play it. Right? Let it let it let it In insufferable. Well, he says insufferable, which I thought was crazy. So go ahead. This podcast is brought to you by play

dot h t.

All content is generated by artificial intelligence.

Choice for this part. Listener discretion

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Hello, freak bitches.

Welcome to another episode of the Brojoggin Explorer

And on this episode, I welcome my friend who's difficult to describe,

fascinated by him, and I hope you'll be too. And he is

weird and brilliant, and sometimes totally insufferable. But my guest today has made some of the

great technological

products of our age, and he's always pushing the envelope in innovation.

Like, for example, with his next computer, he developed a new programming language and operating system, and then he became even more famous for making three applications for that computer.

Word processor, a spreadsheet

and an image editor. That just showed me that this dude was brilliant.

Had amazing taste, and I would just hope that I could be even, like, one tenth of the genius that my friend today is. And I can't even say his name, so I guess. So I was super psyched about having him in the house today. First time or, yeah, we've had you on before, but not for a long time. You know, like, Patrick Sways and, Demi Moore and ghost You're a memory from the past.

So without further ado,

my friend, who's difficult to describe and wonderful, and I'm so gratefully came on the show. How's it going? Good to see you, buddy. It's been a long time since I've been on the show. I've missed this. It's always fun. Wow. Like, just pause there. Okay.

So the things that, like, first, the voice quality,

The voice quality is incredible. Like, that sounds just like Joe Rog. It sounds just like Steve Jobs. It it is And it's gotten so much better than, like, how this used to be. I remember, like, you know, when you had, like, the garmin GPS in your car and you could, like, choose the Morgan Freeman voice or whatever, like, anytime you had to have, like, this

voice robot that was trying to say something new, it sounded totally computerized.

And this doesn't. So the voice quality is one thing. The fact that it kind of, like

it makes more sense. It makes more sense than it should.

Like, He's doing an intro. It understands that. He's teasing, like, this my friend who's here today, this person's a genius, but saying who it is and what it is right away, that's, like, an a showmanship thing that I thought was, like, really interesting.

The back and forth banter, like, he gives that long intro, and then Steve Jobs just kinda laughs,

like you would if you had sat down for this kind of interview with Joe rogan.

I just thought that was incredible the way it felt, like, a real conversation. And, obviously, there's some stuff that's, like, you know, he's talking about word or some documents and a little too much. Like, nobody would do that, but, like, damn, if eighty percent of that is not amazing.

And the reason I felt emotional listening to this was it's I felt both, like, in awe, but also scared because as I was listening to this, it I was agreeing with what Steve says. And,

what what we'll do in in a second,

Ben is fast fall word, like, maybe ten minutes in. And basically,

jobs goes on this long rant about LSD saying,

you know, LSD changed my life, and I don't think it's for everyone, but it changed my life. And it opened my mind up and let me read all these books. I never previously would have read. And he says something like, I don't I wouldn't take LSD a bunch of times in a row because I only needed it once or twice and it opened my mind and it introduced me, and he he goes in-depth. He goes to introduced me to India.

And It's just he he talks about He's talking about god. He's talking about, like, all kinds of things that you're, like,

it's not just, like, reading a Wikipedia page.

You know what I mean? Like,

it is very philosophical.

He's like, when people think about god, they think about this. But to me, it's and it's like, well, that's a fully formed thought and philosophy.

And, like, that sounds like something somebody would say when they're having, like, an in-depth podcast and not just like, I did this in nineteen seventy nine in March

when I was living in Albuquerque And then in nineteen eighty one, I once again, you know, it it was wasn't that. It was like a very real

sounding thing.

And he has this Amazing. Did you hear there's this beautiful quote that he says. And basically, the way that this company, if you ever listen to a bunch of Steve Jobs, interviews, you'll notice that at points, it almost sounds like they're just chopping up some of his clips and just weaving them together. Because he has talked about this before. So I don't actually know if he's ever said this particular line before, but he starts talking about India and why he loves like

that part of the world. And he basically says, like, well, it's so old and it influenced the rest of society. And he goes there's an Indian epic that's ten times as long as the Bible, the Quran, and all these other things in the body. Yeah. That's what he says. Yeah. He's like, basically,

Indian history influenced the rest of the world. And there's an epic that's ten times as long as all these other books. And I just thought that would that's just like such an interesting.

Doesn't so, and then he doesn't say the name, so it kinda leaves you wanting there. But he is talking about the the the Gita, which is, like, is, I think, that long. It's like a sixteen part

series or whatever. It's like this really, really long thing. I would bet that it actually is

multiples longer than the Elliot and the Odyssey. So I I don't know which is interesting that he said that. I wait. And and this is the point is that when he said that, I said, I gotta find that book. Like, he just sold me on this book.

Yeah. I I the dead job, it includes me. So Ben, click play just for, like, thirty seconds. But there is some kind of deeper meaning to life And it can't just be something that somebody made up because if it was, it wouldn't be compelling.

It would seem contrived, and everyone would see through it. So I think that the meaning and the purpose is by the cosmos, the nature of the cosmos, which is pretty bold thinking. I mean, I don't know how else to put it. But it's not religious in the way people usually talk about.

Taking LSD was a profound experience for me, LSD shows you that there's another side to the coin, and you can't remember it when it wears off. But, you know, it it washes over you and tells you that everything is connected. You're not here by accident. You are put here for a purpose. And if you can figure out what that is, then you'll learn more about yourself than anything else could. It's pretty intense.

So so that quote is a real quote of his. Taking Lc was a profound experience. One of the most important things in my life, it shows you that there's another side of the coin. You can't remember when it wears off, but you know it. Okay. So that is like an actual quote of his, but it's weaved into the conversation. Like, there's a part in the conversation where he where he says

he's talking about uh-uh how he's a fan, a Joeogan. He's like, it's nice just sit back in the car and listen to your rant. And it's like, okay. So the first one where he's the the LSD, you know,

Okay. He they just took a they just took, you know, his good read section or his quotes, and they're like, okay. Cool. He's he says things like this.

But where did how did it know to say to Jill rogan that I love to listen to your podcast in the car? Just let's love to sit back and listen to your rant. Where would that have come from? How how does that happen? That there's like little moments like that that are, like,

I just don't understand this technology well enough to know how it could know to say something like that in that moment. So the first half of the call, he talks all about India and these like kind of platitude like life advice type of things, which were pretty amazing. But then the second half which Ben's just start playing it a little bit. Because he talks about Google, and they actually say Yahoo. Ron, they call it Yahoo.

They they put the emphasis on the wrong syllable, but they,

He he's he like does all these, like, it says all these interesting quotes, which I actually think are things that he said again in the past, but he says stuff like, you know, that's a problem. I've always had with Microsoft. In many ways, they're smart people and they've done good work, but they've never had any taste. They've never had any aesthetic taste. And then he goes on And he talks about Adobe. And he criticizes Adobe's business model. And he goes, Joe Rogen actually says, what would you do to fix Adobe? And job Well, they've got eight hundred people working on Adobe's business model. That's just way too many pea people. And the fact that they charge just a little bit of money for a small bits of the product, it's like buying a car, but only getting part of the car and having to pay more money to get the rest of the engine. And he, like, says these criticisms about Adobe would frankly have no idea if it's true, but it must when I'm, like, a rant about this, you know, in the past. But and and then he goes, you know, I had a lunch recently with Bob whatever at Adobe. It'd be like, says their full name. And he leads up this part of Adobe, and he actually agreed to me that they need to fix it, and they're working on fixing it. And so anyway,

He, like, actually gives

almost more advice and his opinions on what I think are current events. I'm not well versed enough with Adobe, but

seems like current events. It it's pretty magical.

It's amazing.

Yeah. This basically was, like, bring back bring back someone from the dead technology. Ben, do you have anything to you're a you're a history guy. What did this like, do you have anything that you felt when you when you watch this?

I really agree to Sam. It made me oddly emotional,

listening to it. It also scared me a little bit just because I thought of the application of, like, what if, like, you did this to my grandpa?

And, like, what emotions would that bring back? And then that, like, frightened me of, like, oh, I don't know if that's a good thing to be able to experience, like,

this representation of my grandpa that would feel like the real thing, but isn't. Right? Like, where are these thoughts coming from? So it's equal parts, like, really compelling, really cool. It's like a treat to be able to hear.

Well, I think it's like a pretty accurate representation of how Steve Jobs would approach some of these things that are happening today, but then also just, like, scary to rise, but it's not really him. And what is it really? Well, it's like it's like a video. Right? Today, you could watch a home video, and it's like, you see their face, you hear their voice, do you but you it's captured a moment in time.

To me, this is an extension of that, which is like, now it's gonna be somewhat interactive that you can kind of interact with these people or hear them talk about new things.

And you know that it's not, like, the real thing, but it's, you know, there's a Black Mirror episode that's a lot like this where the the woman, like, uploads her boyfriend

consciousness to, like, you know, this robot. She's kinda still dating him, even though, you know, he's gone, but, like, there's, like, the shadow of him that, like, you know, can, can simulate him.

And I think I think there's more good than bad. Sam, what do you wanna say? Yeah. So let me add two points about why this is gonna give it even stranger. Well, the first point is is is almost scary. So, basically, in nineteen ninety five, here this is a quote from Steve Jobs. He goes, my hope is Sunday when the next Aristotle is alive. We can capture the underlying world view of that Aristotle in a computer.

And someday,

some student will not be only be able to read the words Aristotle wrote, but ask Aristotle

a question and get an answer. And so Steve Jobs wrote that and eighty five, which is interesting. Now here's where things get really interesting. From that. Because that's that's what he is what he's what just had when he just describe is what just happened to him. It's magical. Now here's where things are gonna get even more magical.

So play dot is it play dot ai or play dot HD? I wanna so,

part of their website, you can actually vote for new episodes.

And some of the top episodes that people have voted for is Elon Musk interviewing,

Nicola Tesla,

Kanye West and Bob Marley, talking about music. Jesus interviews god,

And then I believe there's Einstein and Buddha having a conversation on science and spirituality.

And that Trump interviews himself Trump interviews himself.

There's Lex Freedman interviewing Richard Feynman, and then there's,

Joe rogan mediate

peace between Russia and US. And that sounds like a joke. And it is a joke, but it's actually

an interesting tool where you're like,

Well, like, let's hear Joe wrote alert. Let's see if Joe Rog can, like, bring together these two peep different people and hear each other's perspective, and we'll actually find out where one of the numbers coming from, even if it's make believe, and but it will still be, like, maybe that is actually how they feel. And I could work through this argument. So that's why this stuff is actually really, really interesting and powerful.