00:00

I think you've made something like

I think you've made something like

00:03

is this do I have this number right? Thirty million dollars through, like,

is this do I have this number right? Thirty million dollars through, like,

00:07

Only fans and, like, your other kind of platforms where people subscribe to you? Yeah. That's just on only fans, though. But, yes. Just not only fast. What is the do you have, like, a total number that's even more impressive? Oh, god. I haven't really looked in a while. But maybe, like, forty million or something like that.

Only fans and, like, your other kind of platforms where people subscribe to you? Yeah. That's just on only fans, though. But, yes. Just not only fast. What is the do you have, like, a total number that's even more impressive? Oh, god. I haven't really looked in a while. But maybe, like, forty million or something like that.

00:29

Alright. What's up? We just had

Alright. What's up? We just had

00:31

Kate, also known as Amaranth on the podcast.

Kate, also known as Amaranth on the podcast.

00:34

She is, I think, the number one creator on Only fan. She has made over thirty million dollars on only fans into, like, two years. So it's kind of insane what she's done, building up a following, and then turning that into, like, I don't know. She's probably one of the top earners on social media period, and most people don't know about her or ever heard of her. So I thought that was pretty pretty cool. Sam, what'd you think? Did any of the stats that she said surprise you or shock you? Well, I had heard the money part out, like, before this, which is why I was, like, interested. She she reached out to us to be, like, hey, can I come on the pod? And,

She is, I think, the number one creator on Only fan. She has made over thirty million dollars on only fans into, like, two years. So it's kind of insane what she's done, building up a following, and then turning that into, like, I don't know. She's probably one of the top earners on social media period, and most people don't know about her or ever heard of her. So I thought that was pretty pretty cool. Sam, what'd you think? Did any of the stats that she said surprise you or shock you? Well, I had heard the money part out, like, before this, which is why I was, like, interested. She she reached out to us to be, like, hey, can I come on the pod? And,

01:08

And so, you know, I was down for it for that, but that's the most shocking number.

And so, you know, I was down for it for that, but that's the most shocking number.

01:12

The other part that was shocking was just that she was pretty nonchalant about it. I was pretty surprised at how

The other part that was shocking was just that she was pretty nonchalant about it. I was pretty surprised at how

01:19

sophisticated her empire is. You know, she talks about how she's now offering the serve

sophisticated her empire is. You know, she talks about how she's now offering the serve

01:25

She basically built this media empire, and now she's offering it as an agency to other women. And she kind of dismissed it as like, yeah, just the small thing. And I have a feeling it's significantly

She basically built this media empire, and now she's offering it as an agency to other women. And she kind of dismissed it as like, yeah, just the small thing. And I have a feeling it's significantly

01:35

bigger than she kind of like the energy that she was giving out, and I find that to be incredibly fascinating. Yeah. I think she's kind of a killer in terms of, like, how she's,

bigger than she kind of like the energy that she was giving out, and I find that to be incredibly fascinating. Yeah. I think she's kind of a killer in terms of, like, how she's,

01:45

like, how she's done it. Right? How she built her brand? I mean, she's basically, like,

like, how she's done it. Right? How she built her brand? I mean, she's basically, like,

01:50

Okay. Kim Kardashian built, like, a a mega brand kind of doing this stuff and, like, you know, has turned it into a TV show and all kinds of other things. But, like, in the social media world, She's kind of like on that level. Right? She's like pretty a list in the world of social media in terms of how many social media people can pull in tens of millions of dollars a year. There are very, very few with, like, a five person staff. With, like, yeah, with, like, you know, a small team behind them and not even in category we were getting, like, you know, mainstream brand deals from, like, whoever, you know, like, Coca Cola or whatever. Yeah. It was it was really fascinating. So hope you guys enjoy it.

Okay. Kim Kardashian built, like, a a mega brand kind of doing this stuff and, like, you know, has turned it into a TV show and all kinds of other things. But, like, in the social media world, She's kind of like on that level. Right? She's like pretty a list in the world of social media in terms of how many social media people can pull in tens of millions of dollars a year. There are very, very few with, like, a five person staff. With, like, yeah, with, like, you know, a small team behind them and not even in category we were getting, like, you know, mainstream brand deals from, like, whoever, you know, like, Coca Cola or whatever. Yeah. It was it was really fascinating. So hope you guys enjoy it.

02:24

Hi, Katelynn. I was downloading Zoom, then I realized it wasn't Zoom. So whoops. Anyways, I'm here. Hello. Welcome. Welcome to the show.

Hi, Katelynn. I was downloading Zoom, then I realized it wasn't Zoom. So whoops. Anyways, I'm here. Hello. Welcome. Welcome to the show.

02:33

You are one of the most interesting

You are one of the most interesting

02:36

potential guests that I've wanted on the show. We've had

potential guests that I've wanted on the show. We've had

02:39

people who made money in different ways. We've had poker players. We've had business people. We've had athletes. We've had comedians,

people who made money in different ways. We've had poker players. We've had business people. We've had athletes. We've had comedians,

02:46

but we've never had somebody who is a sort of like a social media entertainer

but we've never had somebody who is a sort of like a social media entertainer

02:50

slash only fan star. And the hook, I would say, for people who wanna be interested in this episode, is,

slash only fan star. And the hook, I would say, for people who wanna be interested in this episode, is,

02:57

I think you've made something like

I think you've made something like

03:00

Is this do I have this number right? Thirty million dollars through, like,

Is this do I have this number right? Thirty million dollars through, like,

03:04

only fans and, like, your other kind of platforms where people subscribe to you? Yeah. That's just on only fans though, but, yes.

only fans and, like, your other kind of platforms where people subscribe to you? Yeah. That's just on only fans though, but, yes.

03:12

Just on only fans. What is the do you have, like, a total number that's even more impressive? Oh, god. I haven't really looked in a while. But maybe like forty million or something like that.

Just on only fans. What is the do you have, like, a total number that's even more impressive? Oh, god. I haven't really looked in a while. But maybe like forty million or something like that.

03:21

Potentially, well, find find out the amount. Only fans is like way more lucrative than every other platform.

Potentially, well, find find out the amount. Only fans is like way more lucrative than every other platform.

03:27

Cause even the only fans competitors are either, like, too new or in Patreon's case, like, driving away the girls. So And are you the number one person on only fans?

Cause even the only fans competitors are either, like, too new or in Patreon's case, like, driving away the girls. So And are you the number one person on only fans?

03:38

I was for a while. I'm not really sure what it is right now. I haven't looked since I was. I just put it in, like, oh, I'm gonna put that on my Link Tree that I could just subtly get it.

I was for a while. I'm not really sure what it is right now. I haven't looked since I was. I just put it in, like, oh, I'm gonna put that on my Link Tree that I could just subtly get it.

03:47

But maybe it's been growing a lot lately.

But maybe it's been growing a lot lately.

03:51

What's customer turn? Like, will they stay for do measure churn by years or months?

What's customer turn? Like, will they stay for do measure churn by years or months?

03:57

I think just by month, we don't really look at the whole year because people's lives you know, some people get girlfriends, some people will just, like, not have a job anymore. So it's hard to do, like, a year because hardly anyone stays on free, you're a very small percentage.

I think just by month, we don't really look at the whole year because people's lives you know, some people get girlfriends, some people will just, like, not have a job anymore. So it's hard to do, like, a year because hardly anyone stays on free, you're a very small percentage.

04:12

And one of the things that's cool about you is, a, you're open about,

And one of the things that's cool about you is, a, you're open about,

04:16

the business side of things, which is cool. You don't have to be. You chose to be. So I'm curious

the business side of things, which is cool. You don't have to be. You chose to be. So I'm curious

04:21

why do you why do you why did you decide? Alright. I'm gonna be able to I'm gonna share this because I think it brings a lot of attention good and bad. Probably bring some haters out there. Who are outraged that somebody's making over a million dollars a month on only fans.

why do you why do you why did you decide? Alright. I'm gonna be able to I'm gonna share this because I think it brings a lot of attention good and bad. Probably bring some haters out there. Who are outraged that somebody's making over a million dollars a month on only fans.

04:35

Why'd you decide to go public with your your income and your earnings?

Why'd you decide to go public with your your income and your earnings?

04:38

Well, it's gonna sound kinda weird to guess to most people because I didn't do it for, like, pride or anything like that. It's it's really because my Instagram that had like five million followers over that a little bit got banned

Well, it's gonna sound kinda weird to guess to most people because I didn't do it for, like, pride or anything like that. It's it's really because my Instagram that had like five million followers over that a little bit got banned

04:50

from mass reports, and I needed a way for people to still write about me because that was my biggest reach. And so everything else was not nearly as much reach. So I just started writing about the business stuff knowing that people would write about it if it's comes from a pretty girl talking about business suddenly oh, she's a genius, but if it's a guy saying the same thing, no one would care. So

from mass reports, and I needed a way for people to still write about me because that was my biggest reach. And so everything else was not nearly as much reach. So I just started writing about the business stuff knowing that people would write about it if it's comes from a pretty girl talking about business suddenly oh, she's a genius, but if it's a guy saying the same thing, no one would care. So

05:11

That that's true. Okay. I like that. That's

That that's true. Okay. I like that. That's

05:14

that's, I think, a fair call out. So you basically published that and then other people started, like, news outlets and stuff started re aggregating the story. And then that drove do subscribers, basically? So it was like a it was a growth channel for you? Yeah. It was like, you know, a new form of earned media.

that's, I think, a fair call out. So you basically published that and then other people started, like, news outlets and stuff started re aggregating the story. And then that drove do subscribers, basically? So it was like a it was a growth channel for you? Yeah. It was like, you know, a new form of earned media.

05:31

Wow.

Wow.

05:32

Okay. That's great. And so I have a bunch of questions to say, I want you to jump in before I just sort of, you know, go down my my list of, like, things I've probably wanted to ask you because I've seen you I worked at Twitch. My company got acquired by Twitch. I was at Twitch, and I was like, alright. So who's who's killing it? Who's doing and you were always at the top of the list, and nobody inside the company would really, like, talk about it that much, whereas they could give, like, you know, they they get really excited about certain things because stuff like really good feel good stories or,

Okay. That's great. And so I have a bunch of questions to say, I want you to jump in before I just sort of, you know, go down my my list of, like, things I've probably wanted to ask you because I've seen you I worked at Twitch. My company got acquired by Twitch. I was at Twitch, and I was like, alright. So who's who's killing it? Who's doing and you were always at the top of the list, and nobody inside the company would really, like, talk about it that much, whereas they could give, like, you know, they they get really excited about certain things because stuff like really good feel good stories or,

05:58

you know, it's a game that they play that they're really excited about. And I was like, well, what about her? Doing great. I like what Which was the only thing I'm doing great.

you know, it's a game that they play that they're really excited about. And I was like, well, what about her? Doing great. I like what Which was the only thing I'm doing great.

06:06

But to to and,

But to to and,

06:09

how how do you like to be

how how do you like to be

06:12

your name. Do you like being how do you pronounce it? I don't even know. I've read it. I've never heard you say it. Amarin. And that's how you like In this setting, that's how you like to be addressed to. Or just as? Kate is fine. Much easier.

your name. Do you like being how do you pronounce it? I don't even know. I've read it. I've never heard you say it. Amarin. And that's how you like In this setting, that's how you like to be addressed to. Or just as? Kate is fine. Much easier.

06:25

Yeah. I didn't know what you preferred. So, when you are going to these, like, meetings because I imagine, like, a, like, at YouTube and Twitch and all these places. I imagine they have an account manager or something that, like, courts you and says, Hey, Kate. You,

Yeah. I didn't know what you preferred. So, when you are going to these, like, meetings because I imagine, like, a, like, at YouTube and Twitch and all these places. I imagine they have an account manager or something that, like, courts you and says, Hey, Kate. You,

06:36

know, we love what you're doing. Do you wanna come to the office if you happen to be in town, and we can, like, tell you some best practices. I mean, that's what they do for, like, a Casey Nysat or whoever,

know, we love what you're doing. Do you wanna come to the office if you happen to be in town, and we can, like, tell you some best practices. I mean, that's what they do for, like, a Casey Nysat or whoever,

06:44

on YouTube.

on YouTube.

06:46

When they do things like that for you or first of all, do they even do that? But if they do and you go to the office, is that like a

When they do things like that for you or first of all, do they even do that? But if they do and you go to the office, is that like a

06:52

are these, like, people, these corporate people, like, comfortable having conversations about this type of shit. I mean, that's just like it because it's just like a it's it's such a unique

are these, like, people, these corporate people, like, comfortable having conversations about this type of shit. I mean, that's just like it because it's just like a it's it's such a unique

07:01

I don't know it's just like unique. I don't often talk to people who are making a living this Oh, man. I don't get any of that. So

I don't know it's just like unique. I don't often talk to people who are making a living this Oh, man. I don't get any of that. So

07:08

nobody didn't invite me to the office. No. Really? How many do you know the the owner of only fans is a big fan of the podcast? And so he's gonna listen to this. And so maybe maybe he can invite you to the office and, start giving you the white glove treatment that, like, probably a Twitch or a YouTube or whoever is maybe a little more hesitant to do. Yeah. Maybe.

nobody didn't invite me to the office. No. Really? How many do you know the the owner of only fans is a big fan of the podcast? And so he's gonna listen to this. And so maybe maybe he can invite you to the office and, start giving you the white glove treatment that, like, probably a Twitch or a YouTube or whoever is maybe a little more hesitant to do. Yeah. Maybe.

07:27

Wait. So how many followers do you have on Twitch? Like six million.

Wait. So how many followers do you have on Twitch? Like six million.

07:31

And they don't, like, reach out to you and be like, hey, we just wanna say thank you for, like, being part of our platform. Like, here's a t shirt or, like, they like, you don't get any Okay. Please make this, please make your two inches longer to comply with the latest, terms and conditions. Not even that. That would be nice. Really, they just ban people and they don't tell you why

And they don't, like, reach out to you and be like, hey, we just wanna say thank you for, like, being part of our platform. Like, here's a t shirt or, like, they like, you don't get any Okay. Please make this, please make your two inches longer to comply with the latest, terms and conditions. Not even that. That would be nice. Really, they just ban people and they don't tell you why

07:49

So you don't know what to change. You'll just suspend you.

So you don't know what to change. You'll just suspend you.

07:52

So Sam doesn't watch Twitch. Let me just describe this. You're kind of like an innovator on Twitch, And I say that laughingly because, like, it's Twitch and, like, let's not take it all too seriously. But, like,

So Sam doesn't watch Twitch. Let me just describe this. You're kind of like an innovator on Twitch, And I say that laughingly because, like, it's Twitch and, like, let's not take it all too seriously. But, like,

08:03

there's this trend where,

there's this trend where,

08:05

I think they call it hot tub streaming, basically. It's, like, I saw that. Because I wasn't excused to kind of, like, wear, like, a bikini and be on stream, which is, like, you know, gonna get you a bunch of viewers and, like, subscriptions on Twitch, but also in your case, like, get you people who wanna go, you know, down the funnel and go to your, maybe your only fans or whatever. And,

I think they call it hot tub streaming, basically. It's, like, I saw that. Because I wasn't excused to kind of, like, wear, like, a bikini and be on stream, which is, like, you know, gonna get you a bunch of viewers and, like, subscriptions on Twitch, but also in your case, like, get you people who wanna go, you know, down the funnel and go to your, maybe your only fans or whatever. And,

08:22

I don't know if you were the first. Were you, like, kind of the first to start doing or, did you just, like, make it more popular?

I don't know if you were the first. Were you, like, kind of the first to start doing or, did you just, like, make it more popular?

08:28

Well, it's complicated because I started doing pool streams outside, you know, like, a year or two before that. And then,

Well, it's complicated because I started doing pool streams outside, you know, like, a year or two before that. And then,

08:35

Then girls started doing hot tub blow up, like inflatable hot tubs. I think I was the first one to bring it inside my room,

Then girls started doing hot tub blow up, like inflatable hot tubs. I think I was the first one to bring it inside my room,

08:42

and I've really popularized that one.

and I've really popularized that one.

08:45

And then there's like this, like, outrage and people are like, you gotta shut this down, and it's usually, like, people on the platform who feel like, oh, it's taking away views for me, which I think is

And then there's like this, like, outrage and people are like, you gotta shut this down, and it's usually, like, people on the platform who feel like, oh, it's taking away views for me, which I think is

08:55

kinda silly because it's like those those people weren't weren't gonna watch you. You know, like, it's not like this. You know, it's people come to get type of entertainment they want, and, they may not want to watch you, you know, in your basement playing, like, you know, dragon ball z or whatever. So it's, like, it's a different

kinda silly because it's like those those people weren't weren't gonna watch you. You know, like, it's not like this. You know, it's people come to get type of entertainment they want, and, they may not want to watch you, you know, in your basement playing, like, you know, dragon ball z or whatever. So it's, like, it's a different

09:10

It's a different thing, but there is this, like, outrage around it. What what do you,

It's a different thing, but there is this, like, outrage around it. What what do you,

09:14

I guess, like, do you respond to that, or how do you how do you think about that?

I guess, like, do you respond to that, or how do you how do you think about that?

09:18

You know, I think it's just people being,

You know, I think it's just people being,

09:20

like, jealous of others having success, and it's just placing blame on them of looking in the word and being like, oh, wait, what could I improve? Make my stream more appealing to people? And so they just wanna point fingers and be like, you're why I'm not successful.

like, jealous of others having success, and it's just placing blame on them of looking in the word and being like, oh, wait, what could I improve? Make my stream more appealing to people? And so they just wanna point fingers and be like, you're why I'm not successful.

09:33

When you're really we're if we're not taking away views from gamers, certainly not if anything, we're taking away views from pornhub, but that's about it. And how much of a big of a game changer was only fans for you? So I'm looking at your only fans. I think you started. I think you posted. You started April twenty twenty, so only two years ago.

When you're really we're if we're not taking away views from gamers, certainly not if anything, we're taking away views from pornhub, but that's about it. And how much of a big of a game changer was only fans for you? So I'm looking at your only fans. I think you started. I think you posted. You started April twenty twenty, so only two years ago.

09:51

And the first month, you did seventy four thousand

And the first month, you did seventy four thousand

09:55

in on only fans. Then you did thirty one thousand, sixteen thousand, six thousand, something like that. So you started off with a big spike because a bunch of people to come over and then, you know, but you did really well right off the bat.

in on only fans. Then you did thirty one thousand, sixteen thousand, six thousand, something like that. So you started off with a big spike because a bunch of people to come over and then, you know, but you did really well right off the bat.

10:04

A, were you expecting that? And, b, were had you, like, kind of already made it. Was that, like, not that big of a deal compared to what you were already doing at Twitch, or was that a game changer?

A, were you expecting that? And, b, were had you, like, kind of already made it. Was that, like, not that big of a deal compared to what you were already doing at Twitch, or was that a game changer?

10:15

I think it was probably somewhere in the middle. It was kind of what I expected just because, like, that's, you know, how platforms happen. I already had Patreon before, which was similar, but Patron was kind of pissing people off been changing what they allowed in their platform. So only fans was, like, becoming the patron replacement for a lot of people. So I just kinda, like,

I think it was probably somewhere in the middle. It was kind of what I expected just because, like, that's, you know, how platforms happen. I already had Patreon before, which was similar, but Patron was kind of pissing people off been changing what they allowed in their platform. So only fans was, like, becoming the patron replacement for a lot of people. So I just kinda, like,

10:34

acquired that as well. I didn't jump ship, because I still have my Patreon, so I just have both now. And I even have a family.

acquired that as well. I didn't jump ship, because I still have my Patreon, so I just have both now. And I even have a family.

10:40

It wasn't really like that shocking. I guess at first because I was already seeing those kinds of numbers on Patreon, and and a pretty decent amount on Twitch at that time.

It wasn't really like that shocking. I guess at first because I was already seeing those kinds of numbers on Patreon, and and a pretty decent amount on Twitch at that time.

10:50

What were, how big's your team? Or is it just you? I mean, well, how do you I have, an entire staff of mixture of like personal assistants, video editors, photographers, etcetera.

What were, how big's your team? Or is it just you? I mean, well, how do you I have, an entire staff of mixture of like personal assistants, video editors, photographers, etcetera.

11:02

So right now in the office, I have, like, five main people. And then I also have my extended staff that I kind of bounce back and forth between here in the office because they work also with me on real work, my agency for, like, of, creators and fans leads that are, like, different girls and, and guys, there's some guys on there too.

So right now in the office, I have, like, five main people. And then I also have my extended staff that I kind of bounce back and forth between here in the office because they work also with me on real work, my agency for, like, of, creators and fans leads that are, like, different girls and, and guys, there's some guys on there too.

11:23

So, yeah, I have, like, an extended staff, and I have, like, my immediate

So, yeah, I have, like, an extended staff, and I have, like, my immediate

11:27

at my house is usually four to five people always.

at my house is usually four to five people always.

11:30

Do you consider yourself like the CEO of the business, or do you have like a straight person like a like a by the book person who's like making sure everything's running on time or are you that person?

Do you consider yourself like the CEO of the business, or do you have like a straight person like a like a by the book person who's like making sure everything's running on time or are you that person?

11:38

I guess I'm could technically be called the CEO, but I don't manage it as

I guess I'm could technically be called the CEO, but I don't manage it as

11:43

much day to day as, like, my,

much day to day as, like, my,

11:46

my head staff that I have, my managing directors for it.

my head staff that I have, my managing directors for it.

11:50

And we, so we got to know Mr. Beast recently. We went to we, like, had an event and, like, a kind of like a basketball camp or whatever he came and and we had we had him on the pod, and he's a, obviously, super impressive guy. He gets this, like, kind of amazing coverage in the news. Everything is, like, Mister Beast, and I he's a good dude. But, like, the coverage is, like, pretty much exclusively good. Obviously, there's some haters, you know, always. But, like, people think he's amazing. Business people really respect him for his, like, business acumen,

And we, so we got to know Mr. Beast recently. We went to we, like, had an event and, like, a kind of like a basketball camp or whatever he came and and we had we had him on the pod, and he's a, obviously, super impressive guy. He gets this, like, kind of amazing coverage in the news. Everything is, like, Mister Beast, and I he's a good dude. But, like, the coverage is, like, pretty much exclusively good. Obviously, there's some haters, you know, always. But, like, people think he's amazing. Business people really respect him for his, like, business acumen,

12:17

and he's, you know, seen as one of the biggest content creators.

and he's, you know, seen as one of the biggest content creators.

12:21

But,

But,

12:22

I would say your look, like, fr your franchise is right up there with him. If you just took if you just took the the sort of, like, the face off the business. If I just showed you the P and L of both businesses,

I would say your look, like, fr your franchise is right up there with him. If you just took if you just took the the sort of, like, the face off the business. If I just showed you the P and L of both businesses,

12:32

I think you would be like, well, I want her P and L. Right? Because you're making almost as much money with way less expenses with way less staff and overhead. That's true. Probably with more valuable customers, more loyal customers.

I think you would be like, well, I want her P and L. Right? Because you're making almost as much money with way less expenses with way less staff and overhead. That's true. Probably with more valuable customers, more loyal customers.

12:43

And, and then on top of that, you're, like, the moves you're making off

And, and then on top of that, you're, like, the moves you're making off

12:47

your streams or off your off your platforms where you've got the agency.

your streams or off your off your platforms where you've got the agency.

12:52

And then you've got the the, you know, all your investments and stuff like that. Just like what he's doing with his agency and his investments and all that. But I feel like you don't get that same coverage. Or if you do, it's like, Could you believe this?

And then you've got the the, you know, all your investments and stuff like that. Just like what he's doing with his agency and his investments and all that. But I feel like you don't get that same coverage. Or if you do, it's like, Could you believe this?

13:04

You know, she's doing she's doing, like, you know, real business things. Like, how does

You know, she's doing she's doing, like, you know, real business things. Like, how does

13:09

I guess, like, do you agree with my assessment there? And and how do you feel about that?

I guess, like, do you agree with my assessment there? And and how do you feel about that?

13:13

Yeah. I guess the the main difference is the platform that I'm doing it on. Because, you know, OF is already gonna have like a bias behind it. People don't wanna admit that they pay attention to it, even if they do, And then Twitch also is a smaller, much smaller platform than YouTube. So it just doesn't have the same amount of reach, even if it's like the same model and the same like, type of stuff. It just doesn't reach nearly as many people as, like, his YouTube channel would. How big do you think this this gets?

Yeah. I guess the the main difference is the platform that I'm doing it on. Because, you know, OF is already gonna have like a bias behind it. People don't wanna admit that they pay attention to it, even if they do, And then Twitch also is a smaller, much smaller platform than YouTube. So it just doesn't have the same amount of reach, even if it's like the same model and the same like, type of stuff. It just doesn't reach nearly as many people as, like, his YouTube channel would. How big do you think this this gets?

13:39

So, like, I don't know what you're doing annually now, but maybe it's, like,

So, like, I don't know what you're doing annually now, but maybe it's, like,

13:43

I don't know, fifteen million or something like that. How big do you think that this this can get and how big do you want it to get? I don't know, because if I can successfully grow real work, would be like, you know, manage other girls' accounts. It can potentially grow like a huge network.

I don't know, fifteen million or something like that. How big do you think that this this can get and how big do you want it to get? I don't know, because if I can successfully grow real work, would be like, you know, manage other girls' accounts. It can potentially grow like a huge network.

13:59

And that's kind of like in my extended empire.

And that's kind of like in my extended empire.

14:01

But, me by myself, I don't know. I never even thought I'd get you this far, so it kinda just happens really quickly, especially once pandemic started and everyone was just online all the time. So I'm not really sure. Well, when you're

But, me by myself, I don't know. I never even thought I'd get you this far, so it kinda just happens really quickly, especially once pandemic started and everyone was just online all the time. So I'm not really sure. Well, when you're

14:14

When you're laying in bed at night and you're like, I mean, I when I go to bed at night, I'm like, man, like, that was, like, I had a good day. Whatever. It's really inspiring. I I dream of I think I I think I do this. I think I could, like, do this one thing that's, like, crazy and, and I just think, like, well, in ten years, maybe this little thing could be this, this, and this. What do you what do you imagine? Like what's your dream even if it's outlandish to say sometimes or maybe it's not. I don't know. But, like, what what's your dream on where you wanna take your your career?

When you're laying in bed at night and you're like, I mean, I when I go to bed at night, I'm like, man, like, that was, like, I had a good day. Whatever. It's really inspiring. I I dream of I think I I think I do this. I think I could, like, do this one thing that's, like, crazy and, and I just think, like, well, in ten years, maybe this little thing could be this, this, and this. What do you what do you imagine? Like what's your dream even if it's outlandish to say sometimes or maybe it's not. I don't know. But, like, what what's your dream on where you wanna take your your career?

14:41

Well, hopefully,

Well, hopefully,

14:42

the dream would be to not grind as much for the next, like,

the dream would be to not grind as much for the next, like,

14:46

year to three years and just, kind of stream

year to three years and just, kind of stream

14:50

part time, like, a few days a a week maybe, and then, just have my empire for real work have grown so much. Maybe we have, like, fifty to a hundred

part time, like, a few days a a week maybe, and then, just have my empire for real work have grown so much. Maybe we have, like, fifty to a hundred

14:58

of creators that we just kind of provide virtual assistance for. And then I I my legacy kinda lives on through that, and then I don't feel like I have to grind every day and can just work with animals on stream a few days a week. It'd be really fun.

of creators that we just kind of provide virtual assistance for. And then I I my legacy kinda lives on through that, and then I don't feel like I have to grind every day and can just work with animals on stream a few days a week. It'd be really fun.

15:11

And explain what real work is. So this is, like, an agency you started. It's not, from what I understand, it's not a talent agency. It's like a,

And explain what real work is. So this is, like, an agency you started. It's not, from what I understand, it's not a talent agency. It's like a,

15:19

We can, like, the the system you built with your back office, with your assistance, and, and those people, you offer that as a service, basically, to other only that students who don't have that back office, but, like, I guess, describe it in your words. Yeah. I guess it would be, like, virtual assistance.

We can, like, the the system you built with your back office, with your assistance, and, and those people, you offer that as a service, basically, to other only that students who don't have that back office, but, like, I guess, describe it in your words. Yeah. I guess it would be, like, virtual assistance.

15:32

Like, like, a team put together that other creators can have access to, whether they'll help, like, edit your content, post your content, market it, like, write up descriptions and push sales on your forms and stuff. And then occasionally, like I do, events where I have girls from the agency come over and we stream together, we collab, etcetera. So it's kinda like helping others grow and then managing that growth

Like, like, a team put together that other creators can have access to, whether they'll help, like, edit your content, post your content, market it, like, write up descriptions and push sales on your forms and stuff. And then occasionally, like I do, events where I have girls from the agency come over and we stream together, we collab, etcetera. So it's kinda like helping others grow and then managing that growth

15:55

to provide, like, more efficient

to provide, like, more efficient

15:57

sales across their platforms.

sales across their platforms.

15:59

Let's say that like I couldn't afford to hire your

Let's say that like I couldn't afford to hire your

16:04

team and I just said, but is there like just like a handful of bullet points that you could tell me on how to have a successful,

team and I just said, but is there like just like a handful of bullet points that you could tell me on how to have a successful,

16:11

page like you do. Like, what are the What are the, like, one, five, ten bullet points that you would say, well, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this. Well, I think if you wanna grow, you really do need help. Whether that's just like your friends, maybe if you have, like, a really cool sibling, family, someone close enough to you or they can physically come over and help you with shoots help you get your content out there, like edited, posted, etcetera. Cause if you want to grow, you also have to be putting out,

page like you do. Like, what are the What are the, like, one, five, ten bullet points that you would say, well, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this. Well, I think if you wanna grow, you really do need help. Whether that's just like your friends, maybe if you have, like, a really cool sibling, family, someone close enough to you or they can physically come over and help you with shoots help you get your content out there, like edited, posted, etcetera. Cause if you want to grow, you also have to be putting out,

16:37

like,

like,

16:38

content on public

content on public

16:40

non Shadow band platforms like Twitter, YouTube, TikTok is huge right now. TikTok is really easy to grow on compared to the other ones right now. Twitch actually isn't that great for growth. Unless you have other platforms already, I would save Twitch for last if you're even contemplating it. Because it has no discovery

non Shadow band platforms like Twitter, YouTube, TikTok is huge right now. TikTok is really easy to grow on compared to the other ones right now. Twitch actually isn't that great for growth. Unless you have other platforms already, I would save Twitch for last if you're even contemplating it. Because it has no discovery

16:57

system that makes any sense. It's all just recommended and what gets recommended, people already have viewers. Do you get viewers? You have to have an audience from somewhere.

system that makes any sense. It's all just recommended and what gets recommended, people already have viewers. Do you get viewers? You have to have an audience from somewhere.

17:06

So Twitch is actually, like, the the least, I would say lucrative for new people.

So Twitch is actually, like, the the least, I would say lucrative for new people.

17:12

Time will be better spent on, like, YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, TikToks, and you kinda just share that content with all three of them and make it very efficient, but just kinda grow your audience from there. If that makes sense.

Time will be better spent on, like, YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, TikToks, and you kinda just share that content with all three of them and make it very efficient, but just kinda grow your audience from there. If that makes sense.

17:23

What do you,

What do you,

17:24

for the agency,

for the agency,

17:26

what do you charge? How do you how do you charge money for? And, like, how many clients do you have right now? Oh, we take a percentage,

what do you charge? How do you how do you charge money for? And, like, how many clients do you have right now? Oh, we take a percentage,

17:33

of the girls' earnings. Yeah. We start with, like, a, like, a three month trial period. And if they don't, like it. They don't, like, we're providing value beyond what they were already doing, then then we just we won't continue on it. Like, we don't lock them in for, like, a year or too. That's, like, really scummy to me. It'll tell y'all what's the benchmark?

of the girls' earnings. Yeah. We start with, like, a, like, a three month trial period. And if they don't, like it. They don't, like, we're providing value beyond what they were already doing, then then we just we won't continue on it. Like, we don't lock them in for, like, a year or too. That's, like, really scummy to me. It'll tell y'all what's the benchmark?

17:51

But what's the benchmark of what you think they should earn? Should they be earning a hundred grand a month a million I mean, what what are you It really just depends.

But what's the benchmark of what you think they should earn? Should they be earning a hundred grand a month a million I mean, what what are you It really just depends.

17:57

We don't really have a benchmark right now. We kinda just look at their socials, look at, like, how much reach they have relative to how many people have already converted to their platforms to see if, like, okay, well, we can work with that. There's some potential here.

We don't really have a benchmark right now. We kinda just look at their socials, look at, like, how much reach they have relative to how many people have already converted to their platforms to see if, like, okay, well, we can work with that. There's some potential here.

18:09

If it's a really bad conversion,

If it's a really bad conversion,

18:11

maybe, maybe not, you know. If it's, like, it's relative to how big they are already.

maybe, maybe not, you know. If it's, like, it's relative to how big they are already.

18:16

Here here's a dangerous question, but I am curious.

Here here's a dangerous question, but I am curious.

18:19

What work for conversion. Like, we talk in the startup world about growth hacks all the time. It's like, oh, did you know that when Airbnb started, they didn't have any listings, so they scraped Craigslist local house listings.

What work for conversion. Like, we talk in the startup world about growth hacks all the time. It's like, oh, did you know that when Airbnb started, they didn't have any listings, so they scraped Craigslist local house listings.

18:30

They made them all on Airbnb, and they messaged people on on Craigslist saying, Hey, I saw your listing on Airbnb.

They made them all on Airbnb, and they messaged people on on Craigslist saying, Hey, I saw your listing on Airbnb.

18:36

Can I book through there? And it was just a robot sending it, and then that caught people to to put their listing up. So startups have these, like, classic growth hacks, things that unlocked

Can I book through there? And it was just a robot sending it, and then that caught people to to put their listing up. So startups have these, like, classic growth hacks, things that unlocked

18:44

new sales or tactics that unlock new sales,

new sales or tactics that unlock new sales,

18:48

on your road to making millions and millions of dollars on only fans, what are the growth hacks? What are the things that work best for for growth for you and for for the girls that you manage? Gosh. That's so tough because things have worked before and then algorithms change and they don't. So it's been like an evolution of what's worked. Well, like, I don't actually, like, I'm not gonna do it. So you don't actually actually give me the whole whole things at work. What are the stories that are like? Oh, that's funny that that worked. Oh, that's cool. That that worked. I want the more attaining stories, not the boring stuff that actually, you know, works over time.

on your road to making millions and millions of dollars on only fans, what are the growth hacks? What are the things that work best for for growth for you and for for the girls that you manage? Gosh. That's so tough because things have worked before and then algorithms change and they don't. So it's been like an evolution of what's worked. Well, like, I don't actually, like, I'm not gonna do it. So you don't actually actually give me the whole whole things at work. What are the stories that are like? Oh, that's funny that that worked. Oh, that's cool. That that worked. I want the more attaining stories, not the boring stuff that actually, you know, works over time.

19:18

Yeah.

Yeah.

19:18

Well, what used to work,

Well, what used to work,

19:20

really well before Instagram really cracked down. Was,

really well before Instagram really cracked down. Was,

19:24

you could have long descriptions being like, spam spam like

you could have long descriptions being like, spam spam like

19:31

a word. If you saw my latest juicy content, people would be, like, spamming a word that was, like, it's, like, moist or something. And

a word. If you saw my latest juicy content, people would be, like, spamming a word that was, like, it's, like, moist or something. And

19:38

then people would go read the cops, like, why is everyone saying moist? Did I miss? They would go back to the caption, and they would still be confused, and they would click on the profile, and they would see the link in the bio. Stuff like that. That's hilarious.

then people would go read the cops, like, why is everyone saying moist? Did I miss? They would go back to the caption, and they would still be confused, and they would click on the profile, and they would see the link in the bio. Stuff like that. That's hilarious.

19:49

That's actually You just had to spam, like, kind of, like, provocative words, like, letter by letter, so people would be like, what is happening? And other teams are used to, like

That's actually You just had to spam, like, kind of, like, provocative words, like, letter by letter, so people would be like, what is happening? And other teams are used to, like

19:59

like, it's not what they're used to seeing. So then they had to go investigate to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Or other things they would do would be like,

like, it's not what they're used to seeing. So then they had to go investigate to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Or other things they would do would be like,

20:05

Tell me, when you see it or I would put like ice by in in the pictures, and that would be like a swipe image on each different image. There would be like a like, check the link in the bio for really good content. Like, just, like, words, like, on a shirt so the algorithm couldn't detect it.

Tell me, when you see it or I would put like ice by in in the pictures, and that would be like a swipe image on each different image. There would be like a like, check the link in the bio for really good content. Like, just, like, words, like, on a shirt so the algorithm couldn't detect it.

20:21

Like, like, curved with the with the shape the shirt and stuff. Like, you'd have to, like, zoom in and stuff. And then the comments would be, like, right shoulder, right shoulder, right shoulder. So people would, like, zoom in, and it it would be great. I really missed that. That's that's that's that's a really good point too. Why do you miss that? You can't do that anymore? Well, I mean, my my main Instagram got banned. So now I'm just now I just play things super safe

Like, like, curved with the with the shape the shirt and stuff. Like, you'd have to, like, zoom in and stuff. And then the comments would be, like, right shoulder, right shoulder, right shoulder. So people would, like, zoom in, and it it would be great. I really missed that. That's that's that's that's a really good point too. Why do you miss that? You can't do that anymore? Well, I mean, my my main Instagram got banned. So now I'm just now I just play things super safe

20:42

Yeah. Yeah. And you,

Yeah. Yeah. And you,

20:44

you're wearing this, like,

you're wearing this, like,

20:46

only fans, like, tube top or whatever right do they give those to you to, like, is that their company swag to, like, promote, help promote their site? Or you make Yeah. I think I actually bought it from the website, but I probably could have asked. I just it was cheaper just to buy it or or faster because time is money. So I was just like,

only fans, like, tube top or whatever right do they give those to you to, like, is that their company swag to, like, promote, help promote their site? Or you make Yeah. I think I actually bought it from the website, but I probably could have asked. I just it was cheaper just to buy it or or faster because time is money. So I was just like,

21:05

And what would you do before this? Because you're clearly, like, smart and a hustler and, like, whatever. Were you, like, did you have, like, a job at, like, you know, blockbuster back in the day? Like, what what what was the career before you became this person who you became? I had a really weird one because most people, they do, like, work retail or, or, like, waitressing or something.

And what would you do before this? Because you're clearly, like, smart and a hustler and, like, whatever. Were you, like, did you have, like, a job at, like, you know, blockbuster back in the day? Like, what what what was the career before you became this person who you became? I had a really weird one because most people, they do, like, work retail or, or, like, waitressing or something.

21:24

I actually Blackbuster should. Blackbuster.

I actually Blackbuster should. Blackbuster.

21:27

Uh-uh. I'm doing her thing where I

Uh-uh. I'm doing her thing where I

21:30

That's why the YouTube comments are gonna be like blockbuster, blockbuster, it's gonna help you in that room. I'm learning from her. Wait. But hold on. How how old are you? Twenty eight.

That's why the YouTube comments are gonna be like blockbuster, blockbuster, it's gonna help you in that room. I'm learning from her. Wait. But hold on. How how old are you? Twenty eight.

21:38

So in no way is she gonna be working at a blockbuster? When you were a blockbuster?

So in no way is she gonna be working at a blockbuster? When you were a blockbuster?

21:43

I used to get games for there as a kid, but once once I was sixteen, there was really a blockbuster anymore.

I used to get games for there as a kid, but once once I was sixteen, there was really a blockbuster anymore.

21:50

But what was the weird job you had? Yeah. I actually it's really awesome. I did character parties for kids, birthdays, and hospital visits and, like, festivals around town and make a wish foundation stuff. It was like princesses and superheroes.

But what was the weird job you had? Yeah. I actually it's really awesome. I did character parties for kids, birthdays, and hospital visits and, like, festivals around town and make a wish foundation stuff. It was like princesses and superheroes.

22:03

So that was my company. So you would dress up in cosplay and basically like, had to go to a kid's party or a hospital, basically? Yeah. Basically.

So that was my company. So you would dress up in cosplay and basically like, had to go to a kid's party or a hospital, basically? Yeah. Basically.

22:11

Yeah. And that was my my little startup entertainment company. What an amazing pivot. That's the best pivot I've ever heard, like, you know, Instagram used to be this, like, location app that just happen to have photos, and then they were like, let's just go on on the photos. And you basically were like,

Yeah. And that was my my little startup entertainment company. What an amazing pivot. That's the best pivot I've ever heard, like, you know, Instagram used to be this, like, location app that just happen to have photos, and then they were like, let's just go on on the photos. And you basically were like,

22:26

I'm gonna go all in on the costume thing, but, like, instead of little kids,

I'm gonna go all in on the costume thing, but, like, instead of little kids,

22:30

just do, like, big kids.

just do, like, big kids.

22:33

I still feel like I'm babysitting on Twitch, too. So Yeah. Exactly.

I still feel like I'm babysitting on Twitch, too. So Yeah. Exactly.

22:38

That's amazing. And you pay, like,

That's amazing. And you pay, like,

22:40

you know, I have this researcher who helps here with the pod. And, I was like, hey, she's coming on,

you know, I have this researcher who helps here with the pod. And, I was like, hey, she's coming on,

22:45

And I like to not know everything because if you know everything, you come in and you just ask questions you already know the answers to, it's kinda boring.

And I like to not know everything because if you know everything, you come in and you just ask questions you already know the answers to, it's kinda boring.

22:53

And so by who he did surface one interesting thing in his,

And so by who he did surface one interesting thing in his,

22:56

research, which was he's like, yeah, there's, like, you know, leaked stuff on online where you don't have to pay for the only Fads. You can just, like, find something. Don't tell anyone.

research, which was he's like, yeah, there's, like, you know, leaked stuff on online where you don't have to pay for the only Fads. You can just, like, find something. Don't tell anyone.

23:05

Remove it. Protect it. But but he was, like, he's, like, I think she has, like, like, an on, like, retainer, like, you know, bloodhound agency or or lawyer or something that's trying to, like, just shut all these down. How That what is there, like, a cat and mouse game if you're trying to, like, keep your content behind the payroll? And do you, like, pay how much do you pay per month to, like, prevent protect yourself?

Remove it. Protect it. But but he was, like, he's, like, I think she has, like, like, an on, like, retainer, like, you know, bloodhound agency or or lawyer or something that's trying to, like, just shut all these down. How That what is there, like, a cat and mouse game if you're trying to, like, keep your content behind the payroll? And do you, like, pay how much do you pay per month to, like, prevent protect yourself?

23:26

Yeah. We have,

Yeah. We have,

23:27

a whole, like, little DMCA staff here.

a whole, like, little DMCA staff here.

23:31

It's a it's a combined effort. Like, I I do have, lawyers. Yeah. What but why are you paying for that? Only fans doesn't offer that? No.

It's a it's a combined effort. Like, I I do have, lawyers. Yeah. What but why are you paying for that? Only fans doesn't offer that? No.

23:41

What? Yeah.

What? Yeah.

23:43

Yeah. I have a I have my my my own little, like, lawyer's team.

Yeah. I have a I have my my my own little, like, lawyer's team.

23:47

Create a little agency that's gonna do that for all, only fan creators. You know, we read off the two.

Create a little agency that's gonna do that for all, only fan creators. You know, we read off the two.

23:52

We offer that to you for our girls. Yeah.

We offer that to you for our girls. Yeah.

23:55

But it's it's funny though because I streams so much that, like, I have a very close relationship, I guess, with, like, the moderators of my chat and my discord. They will actually actively, like, find leaks because people do something stupid, which is on my Twitch channel. They'll try to,

But it's it's funny though because I streams so much that, like, I have a very close relationship, I guess, with, like, the moderators of my chat and my discord. They will actually actively, like, find leaks because people do something stupid, which is on my Twitch channel. They'll try to,

24:10

viewers will will start mass dming up people leaks here, leeks here, leeks here, then my mods are just like, boops. Send to my do you see it here? Then we're gonna delete us. They're just like self reporting.

viewers will will start mass dming up people leaks here, leeks here, leeks here, then my mods are just like, boops. Send to my do you see it here? Then we're gonna delete us. They're just like self reporting.

24:20

I don't have to go looking for them. They ended up just exposing all the leaks to me already.

I don't have to go looking for them. They ended up just exposing all the leaks to me already.

24:26

And so, mister Beast, when when we were hanging out with the mister Beast. So we he we did a pilot with him, and Sean and I flew down and got to talk to him. And,

And so, mister Beast, when when we were hanging out with the mister Beast. So we he we did a pilot with him, and Sean and I flew down and got to talk to him. And,

24:36

the maybe the most a bunch of fascinating things about him, but one of the more fascinating things that a lot of people don't know is so he's like this big shot in America and, has all these followers, but YouTube's global.

the maybe the most a bunch of fascinating things about him, but one of the more fascinating things that a lot of people don't know is so he's like this big shot in America and, has all these followers, but YouTube's global.

24:49

And so he decided to hire a team to start,

And so he decided to hire a team to start,

24:53

translating his stuff, meaning like they would they would dub his content with voice actors. I heard that. And what he did was really interesting is he would actually over you know, a lot of people would be like, oh, let's just get the cheapest person who kinda sounds interesting And I believe he would overpay where he would get, like, the guy who voiced a famous character in Brazil would also voice Mr. Beast, And everyone thought that was pretty cool, and it sounds neat. And so all creators were like, hey, do that for us. And he goes, yeah, sure. I'll do it for you. And I I forget how it works, but I believe he takes a percentage of the past, like, I'll I'll spin up your, you know, Portuguese channel, and we'll manage it. We'll have a we have a person who speaks Portuguese. They'll write the descriptions. We'll have the voice actors. We'll do all of that stuff. And we take, like, I don't know, thirty percent of the revenue of that YouTube Oh, I need him to do that for me in Turkish because I have a lot. I have a huge Turkish audience because born a fan.

translating his stuff, meaning like they would they would dub his content with voice actors. I heard that. And what he did was really interesting is he would actually over you know, a lot of people would be like, oh, let's just get the cheapest person who kinda sounds interesting And I believe he would overpay where he would get, like, the guy who voiced a famous character in Brazil would also voice Mr. Beast, And everyone thought that was pretty cool, and it sounds neat. And so all creators were like, hey, do that for us. And he goes, yeah, sure. I'll do it for you. And I I forget how it works, but I believe he takes a percentage of the past, like, I'll I'll spin up your, you know, Portuguese channel, and we'll manage it. We'll have a we have a person who speaks Portuguese. They'll write the descriptions. We'll have the voice actors. We'll do all of that stuff. And we take, like, I don't know, thirty percent of the revenue of that YouTube Oh, I need him to do that for me in Turkish because I have a lot. I have a huge Turkish audience because born a fan.

25:41

Is that right? Those repress Turkish people. They they need it. So they're like They need my triumphs in Turkish.

Is that right? Those repress Turkish people. They they need it. So they're like They need my triumphs in Turkish.

25:47

But they they like, what Did you talk much?

But they they like, what Did you talk much?

25:50

I mean, a little bit. They call it mute anyways,

I mean, a little bit. They call it mute anyways,

25:54

you know. Universal language. They probably just mute it anyways.

you know. Universal language. They probably just mute it anyways.

25:57

But what's yeah. That's a good point. But what's interesting is you I don't know if you're doing this because you're trying to be humble, but you're kind of

But what's yeah. That's a good point. But what's interesting is you I don't know if you're doing this because you're trying to be humble, but you're kind of

26:06

downplaying, I think, like, the the shit that you're doing. You're like, oh, I just have these, like, personal assistants and, you know, we just yeah. I it could be you're just being humble. But

downplaying, I think, like, the the shit that you're doing. You're like, oh, I just have these, like, personal assistants and, you know, we just yeah. I it could be you're just being humble. But

26:15

Have you thought about, like,

Have you thought about, like,

26:17

kinda like scaling this like crazy? Beast or Jimmy just raised some,

kinda like scaling this like crazy? Beast or Jimmy just raised some,

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like, hundred million dollars at like a one point five million billion dollar valuation. Have you thought about being like, well, no, that's like we're not just gonna call it personal assistance. We're going hard at this and we're gonna completely operationalize

like, hundred million dollars at like a one point five million billion dollar valuation. Have you thought about being like, well, no, that's like we're not just gonna call it personal assistance. We're going hard at this and we're gonna completely operationalize

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and help this niche of content creators. Have you ever thought about, like, kinda from that angle as opposed to, like, I don't know. Maybe you're just being nice, but it kinda sounds like you're you're downplaying, like, how that's what we're trying to do with real work. We just started it, though, like, a few months ago. It was my personal assistance that were kinda turning into an actual organization. You,

and help this niche of content creators. Have you ever thought about, like, kinda from that angle as opposed to, like, I don't know. Maybe you're just being nice, but it kinda sounds like you're you're downplaying, like, how that's what we're trying to do with real work. We just started it, though, like, a few months ago. It was my personal assistance that were kinda turning into an actual organization. You,

26:54

you're very, like,

you're very, like,

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nonchalant,

nonchalant,

26:57

about That's what I mean. About your I'm trying to figure out where what gets you basically excited about what you've done, because I think You're basically, like, it's it's not new to you. Right? When you tell it, when we hear what you're doing, it's kinda mind blowing. When you hear what you're doing, you're like, yeah, I know. That's what I do every day. Gonna, like, it's not gonna be mind blowing to you. But there's gotta be some part of you that's, like,

about That's what I mean. About your I'm trying to figure out where what gets you basically excited about what you've done, because I think You're basically, like, it's it's not new to you. Right? When you tell it, when we hear what you're doing, it's kinda mind blowing. When you hear what you're doing, you're like, yeah, I know. That's what I do every day. Gonna, like, it's not gonna be mind blowing to you. But there's gotta be some part of you that's, like,

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holy shit. I can't believe this is what's happening. And, like, Oh my god. Like, this could be blah, blah, blah, and there's gotta be some part of you that still has that, I don't know,

holy shit. I can't believe this is what's happening. And, like, Oh my god. Like, this could be blah, blah, blah, and there's gotta be some part of you that still has that, I don't know,

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less laid back and more excited part of you that's like, yeah. I really want this. And I know that's gonna be crazy, but, like, I think I could do it. Is there some part of this that's, like, really mind blowing to you or, like, really exciting for you going forward?

less laid back and more excited part of you that's like, yeah. I really want this. And I know that's gonna be crazy, but, like, I think I could do it. Is there some part of this that's, like, really mind blowing to you or, like, really exciting for you going forward?

27:39

Yeah, I think all of it's pretty mind blowing. When you when you step back and think about it, I've just I guess I've just gotten used to, like, the day to day, like, this is how it is, and then doing more and more over time, you kind of just get desensitized because it's such like a slow process

Yeah, I think all of it's pretty mind blowing. When you when you step back and think about it, I've just I guess I've just gotten used to, like, the day to day, like, this is how it is, and then doing more and more over time, you kind of just get desensitized because it's such like a slow process

27:52

over the past.

over the past.

27:53

Six years. I I feel slow to me anyways because I do it so much.

Six years. I I feel slow to me anyways because I do it so much.

27:59

But yeah, I mean, I really wanna do animal content on my twitch stream and

But yeah, I mean, I really wanna do animal content on my twitch stream and

28:04

You know, I'm hoping to move towards that soon kind of away from, like, so much of the eagle,

You know, I'm hoping to move towards that soon kind of away from, like, so much of the eagle,

28:09

like, side. Like, I'm still gonna be an eagle, I guess, to to people who want to brand it as that. But, like, I feel like content gave me so much more than sitting in a hot tub, you know. When you're when you're saying when you're saying animal content, I'm not a twitch person. You're saying animal content, is that a phrase for something else or is that literally like a No. No. Like, I have horses and dogs that I I wanna do, like, Twitch streams with and training and trail riding and taking care of them and having a stable and a ranch in the near future, hopefully.

like, side. Like, I'm still gonna be an eagle, I guess, to to people who want to brand it as that. But, like, I feel like content gave me so much more than sitting in a hot tub, you know. When you're when you're saying when you're saying animal content, I'm not a twitch person. You're saying animal content, is that a phrase for something else or is that literally like a No. No. Like, I have horses and dogs that I I wanna do, like, Twitch streams with and training and trail riding and taking care of them and having a stable and a ranch in the near future, hopefully.

28:37

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28:40

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28:52

Do you have, like,

Do you have, like,

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like, a therapist or anybody because, like, I've seen what, like, how

like, a therapist or anybody because, like, I've seen what, like, how

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twitch streamers, like, what they have to put up with And, like, there's this crazy, like, love, hate,

twitch streamers, like, what they have to put up with And, like, there's this crazy, like, love, hate,

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weirdo stalker

weirdo stalker

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thing that happens, then you get famous on Twitch. And, like,

thing that happens, then you get famous on Twitch. And, like,

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you get a lot of, like, you know, you know, you you see comments that are super negative. You see comments that are super, like, like, super positive, and it's just, like, a lot. To take in while you're just sitting at home in your room streaming for, like, eight hours and which is kind of an unnatural thing without seeing the light of day during that stop time. Right? Like,

you get a lot of, like, you know, you know, you you see comments that are super negative. You see comments that are super, like, like, super positive, and it's just, like, a lot. To take in while you're just sitting at home in your room streaming for, like, eight hours and which is kind of an unnatural thing without seeing the light of day during that stop time. Right? Like,

29:26

do you do, like, mental health Do you do anything proactively from mental health so that you're not, like, going nuts while you do this?

do you do, like, mental health Do you do anything proactively from mental health so that you're not, like, going nuts while you do this?

29:34

Well, I do have a therapist now for some other reasons, but I probably should have had one this whole time for streaming as well. But my kind of mental health, I guess, outside of therapy would just be horse riding. It's kinda like my meditation

Well, I do have a therapist now for some other reasons, but I probably should have had one this whole time for streaming as well. But my kind of mental health, I guess, outside of therapy would just be horse riding. It's kinda like my meditation

29:48

replacement. Does that stuff at does that stuff actually get to you? Like, I do a decent job of you know what, it's actually funny. I do a decent job of, like, ignoring haters. We're not nearly as big as you, but we still get, like, you know, hundreds of comments a a day of like hate or good and bad. And, like, I recently got fit. And I remember people commenting of, like, oh, you look less fat. Or,

replacement. Does that stuff at does that stuff actually get to you? Like, I do a decent job of you know what, it's actually funny. I do a decent job of, like, ignoring haters. We're not nearly as big as you, but we still get, like, you know, hundreds of comments a a day of like hate or good and bad. And, like, I recently got fit. And I remember people commenting of, like, oh, you look less fat. Or,

30:10

they'll say like, oh, you know, today you're looking a little chubby. And I was like, damn, these people are mean. You must get, like, thousand I mean, you do. Like, thousands of people a day commenting on your looks. Does that actually get to? Are you are you pretty good of,

they'll say like, oh, you know, today you're looking a little chubby. And I was like, damn, these people are mean. You must get, like, thousand I mean, you do. Like, thousands of people a day commenting on your looks. Does that actually get to? Are you are you pretty good of,

30:24

of kinda

of kinda

30:25

I don't know, ignoring it. I would say it used to get to me more, but at this point, I just kind of immune to it. I think

I don't know, ignoring it. I would say it used to get to me more, but at this point, I just kind of immune to it. I think

30:33

yeah, it's not so much calm as they get to me. What gets to me is comparison to myself, because I'll on a photoshoot day, say I'm feeling bloated or I'm breaking up or whatever, and I'll be referencing like pictures that did well on my social media before just so I, you know, like, what to recreate that we haven't done in a while. And I was like, man, it looks so good there. I was like, shit today.

yeah, it's not so much calm as they get to me. What gets to me is comparison to myself, because I'll on a photoshoot day, say I'm feeling bloated or I'm breaking up or whatever, and I'll be referencing like pictures that did well on my social media before just so I, you know, like, what to recreate that we haven't done in a while. And I was like, man, it looks so good there. I was like, shit today.

30:52

Like, things like that because, like, at the time, you know, it's like the perfect lighting, the perfect angle, whatever, and it just doesn't look that way in the mirror, you know.

Like, things like that because, like, at the time, you know, it's like the perfect lighting, the perfect angle, whatever, and it just doesn't look that way in the mirror, you know.

30:59

But then usually you it did done with the shoe and you're like, oh, these are fine.

But then usually you it did done with the shoe and you're like, oh, these are fine.

31:03

Like, because it looks different on camera. So the reality is what fucks me up, not really in people's comments. Or maybe it's like a child actor thing. And, like, in fifteen years, all the, like, famous twitch streamers are gonna be, like, you know, I'll screw it up. It's like they were fine at the time when it's all good. It's, like, later when things get weird.

Like, because it looks different on camera. So the reality is what fucks me up, not really in people's comments. Or maybe it's like a child actor thing. And, like, in fifteen years, all the, like, famous twitch streamers are gonna be, like, you know, I'll screw it up. It's like they were fine at the time when it's all good. It's, like, later when things get weird.

31:23

You know, you you you also tweet about, like, what you do with your money, which I think is kinda interesting.

You know, you you you also tweet about, like, what you do with your money, which I think is kinda interesting.

31:29

We'll talk about the gas station thing in a second. But, like, we always ask, you know, the guests who come on, we say, alright. Cool. Like, Money is this weird thing where it's kinda taboo. It's, like, in entrepreneurship, you're supposed to say. It's not about the money for me, but, like, They fight, like, hell to, like, every point of equity and every dollar earned. It's, like, clearly money money does matter to people. And they also don't really say what they do with their money. And therefore, there's a bunch of people who are listening to podcasts like this that don't know.

We'll talk about the gas station thing in a second. But, like, we always ask, you know, the guests who come on, we say, alright. Cool. Like, Money is this weird thing where it's kinda taboo. It's, like, in entrepreneurship, you're supposed to say. It's not about the money for me, but, like, They fight, like, hell to, like, every point of equity and every dollar earned. It's, like, clearly money money does matter to people. And they also don't really say what they do with their money. And therefore, there's a bunch of people who are listening to podcasts like this that don't know.

31:54

Like, there's there's like a information wall. It's like, you don't get to know what what happens on the other side. It's like only many years and hard lessons, you get to figure it out. And we think that's kinda silly. We try to, like, break down that wall a little bit.

Like, there's there's like a information wall. It's like, you don't get to know what what happens on the other side. It's like only many years and hard lessons, you get to figure it out. And we think that's kinda silly. We try to, like, break down that wall a little bit.

32:05

So if I was gonna describe to you, like, a pie chart, like, okay, here's all your money.

So if I was gonna describe to you, like, a pie chart, like, okay, here's all your money.

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Where do you what do you do with it? Do you just leave it in a checking account? Are you putting in the stock market? Are you buying crypto? Like, Can you roughly draw us like a pie chart of, like, you know, how you manage your own money?

Where do you what do you do with it? Do you just leave it in a checking account? Are you putting in the stock market? Are you buying crypto? Like, Can you roughly draw us like a pie chart of, like, you know, how you manage your own money?

32:25

It's kind of complicated.

It's kind of complicated.

32:26

I I didn't really get to manage it as much until recently. But,

I I didn't really get to manage it as much until recently. But,

32:31

the gas stations, yeah, those are those are a fun investment though. My accountant actually brought me to that one. And,

the gas stations, yeah, those are those are a fun investment though. My accountant actually brought me to that one. And,

32:39

they helped save me on taxes because I can I got to spent the entire cost of the building upfront so that reduced my

they helped save me on taxes because I can I got to spent the entire cost of the building upfront so that reduced my

32:47

my yearly income on paper? And then I had a lower tax rate depreciation. Accelerated depreciation. Yeah. Exactly.

my yearly income on paper? And then I had a lower tax rate depreciation. Accelerated depreciation. Yeah. Exactly.

32:55

So that was the best kind of thing. You have to be like a real estate professional technically. Right? So you're doing, like, the five hundred hour test, basically?

So that was the best kind of thing. You have to be like a real estate professional technically. Right? So you're doing, like, the five hundred hour test, basically?

33:04

No. You actually don't, don't have to be with this.

No. You actually don't, don't have to be with this.

33:08

Explain that to me. I wanna do that. What is do you know who? Like I thought it's basically if you're passive,

Explain that to me. I wanna do that. What is do you know who? Like I thought it's basically if you're passive,

33:13

then it could only offset passive income. But but your other stuff is active income. Right? So, do I have a misunderstanding, or is does it work differently?

then it could only offset passive income. But but your other stuff is active income. Right? So, do I have a misunderstanding, or is does it work differently?

33:22

I just know my my accountant team brought me this that there's opportunity and they explained to me like, okay. So I'm just putting money into that and then, yeah, they kind of have all the rest of the details. I just throw the money at it.

I just know my my accountant team brought me this that there's opportunity and they explained to me like, okay. So I'm just putting money into that and then, yeah, they kind of have all the rest of the details. I just throw the money at it.

33:35

Is most of your, is most of your is most of your portfolio just in boring index funds?

Is most of your, is most of your is most of your portfolio just in boring index funds?

33:40

I would say most of it's in in stocks, it makes sense with, like, a million dollars of Visa stock the other day. Yeah. And that's like a Really? That's a reliable thing. It's not going anywhere, especially since pandemic is kinda

I would say most of it's in in stocks, it makes sense with, like, a million dollars of Visa stock the other day. Yeah. And that's like a Really? That's a reliable thing. It's not going anywhere, especially since pandemic is kinda

33:54

at least the fear of it is dying down. People are out there traveling more, getting out more. It's just only gonna get better. It's also like a cashback program for you. You've probably paid, like, there's a million dollars in credit card fees.

at least the fear of it is dying down. People are out there traveling more, getting out more. It's just only gonna get better. It's also like a cashback program for you. You've probably paid, like, there's a million dollars in credit card fees.

34:06

To Visa.

To Visa.

34:07

And, it's a way to sort of What else did you buy?

And, it's a way to sort of What else did you buy?

34:10

Yeah, I have some Google. I have some Shopify.

Yeah, I have some Google. I have some Shopify.

34:14

Amazon.

Amazon.

34:16

Yeah, I have some crypto, but I don't I don't know how I feel about crypto yet.

Yeah, I have some crypto, but I don't I don't know how I feel about crypto yet.

34:21

Why not how do you feel? I just I just it's it's so up and down all the time that it's just I I can't tell what it's really gonna do. So

Why not how do you feel? I just I just it's it's so up and down all the time that it's just I I can't tell what it's really gonna do. So

34:30

Yeah.

Yeah.

34:31

I have some Bitcoin. Where do you when you're when you're researching which way you wanna buy, where, where do you learn? Like, what resources do you turn to? Well, I have the accounting team, and then I also have, you know, YouTube and Google like everyone else. So Yeah. On Google and YouTube. What do you what who do you listen to?

I have some Bitcoin. Where do you when you're when you're researching which way you wanna buy, where, where do you learn? Like, what resources do you turn to? Well, I have the accounting team, and then I also have, you know, YouTube and Google like everyone else. So Yeah. On Google and YouTube. What do you what who do you listen to?

34:50

I don't really have, like, a certain person, I guess. It's just kinda, I get linked various things that people send me.

I don't really have, like, a certain person, I guess. It's just kinda, I get linked various things that people send me.

34:57

Yeah. I used to actually talk to a lot of streamers about it in my DMs,

Yeah. I used to actually talk to a lot of streamers about it in my DMs,

35:01

Yeah. I don't know if you guys knew who Rackful was. Maybe you because you worked at Twitch. We used to talk about stocks

Yeah. I don't know if you guys knew who Rackful was. Maybe you because you worked at Twitch. We used to talk about stocks

35:07

in in our DMs. So that's kinda where I got started with it. And then I was just sent stuff and kind of explored it. And then I got, like, an accountant, and

in in our DMs. So that's kinda where I got started with it. And then I was just sent stuff and kind of explored it. And then I got, like, an accountant, and

35:15

it all just passed compiled from everywhere. Do you do any other type of investing that's interesting? So you you you I do one gas station or multiple, and then you have stocks. Is there anything else?

it all just passed compiled from everywhere. Do you do any other type of investing that's interesting? So you you you I do one gas station or multiple, and then you have stocks. Is there anything else?

35:25

Well, I have some businesses

Well, I have some businesses

35:27

I've bought, and some private equity too.

I've bought, and some private equity too.

35:31

Tell me more. Tell us something about I can't really talk about the private equity because it's for in I've, legally, I can't say anything about much about it. But, basically, they just acquire small businesses

Tell me more. Tell us something about I can't really talk about the private equity because it's for in I've, legally, I can't say anything about much about it. But, basically, they just acquire small businesses

35:40

throughout the year, and, I send them money as needed up to like five million or so is what the total will be. But on a deal by deal basis, basically.

throughout the year, and, I send them money as needed up to like five million or so is what the total will be. But on a deal by deal basis, basically.

35:50

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And whenever they need it, they call for it. There's not like scheduled payment system with it. Gotcha. And then what about, businesses you bought? What do you what are the what are you buying? And who's who's running these things?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And whenever they need it, they call for it. There's not like scheduled payment system with it. Gotcha. And then what about, businesses you bought? What do you what are the what are you buying? And who's who's running these things?

36:02

Well, usually I buy businesses that can just run themselves. Like,

Well, usually I buy businesses that can just run themselves. Like,

36:06

I guess the, the, if you guys heard about, like, the ball pit company or, like, the ball the plastic ball company I used for my ball pit. No. No. What is that? It was more.

I guess the, the, if you guys heard about, like, the ball pit company or, like, the ball the plastic ball company I used for my ball pit. No. No. What is that? It was more.

36:17

It's just it's it's like,

It's just it's it's like,

36:19

probably a manufacturer.

probably a manufacturer.

36:20

They're based in China, though. They make,

They're based in China, though. They make,

36:23

like, playground balls, like, you know, like ball pit type Yeah. We have one in my house.

like, playground balls, like, you know, like ball pit type Yeah. We have one in my house.

36:28

Yeah. I see. It was just really,

Yeah. I see. It was just really,

36:31

Oh, I bought the Chinese manufacturer.

Oh, I bought the Chinese manufacturer.

36:34

Well, the, like, the, they share the facility with other people, but,

Well, the, like, the, they share the facility with other people, but,

36:38

yeah, they manufacture balls, and they bought that company.

yeah, they manufacture balls, and they bought that company.

36:41

Wow. How?

Wow. How?

36:43

It was real it's actually really good profit margins. Like, how did this even come across your desk? Account it. Accountant. They just send me stuff to, like, this thing. And I like to gravitate towards the ones that I can also use for publicity stunts and,

It was real it's actually really good profit margins. Like, how did this even come across your desk? Account it. Accountant. They just send me stuff to, like, this thing. And I like to gravitate towards the ones that I can also use for publicity stunts and,

36:58

on Twitch. So, like, I turned my entire room into a ball pit.

on Twitch. So, like, I turned my entire room into a ball pit.

37:01

Your accountant is, like, the LeBron James of accountants or the Bernie made off of accounts. I don't I haven't decided which one yet, but he's doing way than the call of duty as an accountant.

Your accountant is, like, the LeBron James of accountants or the Bernie made off of accounts. I don't I haven't decided which one yet, but he's doing way than the call of duty as an accountant.

37:10

Yeah. I have like a team. It's it's hard to explain at all.

Yeah. I have like a team. It's it's hard to explain at all.

37:14

Normally, I just throw them the money. I'm like, yes, make it work. Are you afraid of, like, being one of those, like, athletes that goes broke on, like, you know, my my manager and my accountant talked me into buying these, like, this chain of, you know, Wendy's that was nonexistent.

Normally, I just throw them the money. I'm like, yes, make it work. Are you afraid of, like, being one of those, like, athletes that goes broke on, like, you know, my my manager and my accountant talked me into buying these, like, this chain of, you know, Wendy's that was nonexistent.

37:26

And ran away with my money because it sounds like, you know, you're throwing money at just crazy places right now. Is that a fear for you?

And ran away with my money because it sounds like, you know, you're throwing money at just crazy places right now. Is that a fear for you?

37:34

No.

No.

37:35

No. Not really.

No. Not really.

37:37

If you're not afraid, I'm not afraid.

If you're not afraid, I'm not afraid.

37:39

Yeah. I had bigger fears than that.

Yeah. I had bigger fears than that.

37:44

It it, it almost, like, we were asking you some of these, like, super specific money questions, and it, you people are listening now, but,

It it, it almost, like, we were asking you some of these, like, super specific money questions, and it, you people are listening now, but,

37:50

you know, your the look in your face is like, Why the fuck are these guys asking me all these questions about this money shit? Like, this makes me uncomfortable.

you know, your the look in your face is like, Why the fuck are these guys asking me all these questions about this money shit? Like, this makes me uncomfortable.

37:57

Isn't it hilarious? I only recently got back in control of my finances. I don't know if y'all saw that drama, but, what happened? I can't I can't say too much about it, but,

Isn't it hilarious? I only recently got back in control of my finances. I don't know if y'all saw that drama, but, what happened? I can't I can't say too much about it, but,

38:08

I got out of kind of a,

I got out of kind of a,

38:10

controlling

controlling

38:11

relationship

relationship

38:12

a bit. So,

a bit. So,

38:13

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We keep the dark stuff over there. We just do the money stuff here. We we we don't we don't worry. We we we try not to get into the heavy topics. Well, what I was saying was you do things that ninety nine point nine percent of people would find to be incredibly embarrassing for to do like, there'd be they would be too nervous to do that. You know, it's too taboo. I'm uncomfortable doing that. And I think that it's

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We keep the dark stuff over there. We just do the money stuff here. We we we don't we don't worry. We we we try not to get into the heavy topics. Well, what I was saying was you do things that ninety nine point nine percent of people would find to be incredibly embarrassing for to do like, there'd be they would be too nervous to do that. You know, it's too taboo. I'm uncomfortable doing that. And I think that it's

38:35

it's wild that we think that, alright, we're okay with that, and but we're also nervous about talking about the money thing. And, like, that that's just like an interesting insight in we've talked to so many people, and it's very rare that someone's comfortable talking about money. It still makes me really uncomfortable, but it's just like an interesting thing. It's like I thought this woman wasn't afraid of anything, but when we talk about money, like,

it's wild that we think that, alright, we're okay with that, and but we're also nervous about talking about the money thing. And, like, that that's just like an interesting insight in we've talked to so many people, and it's very rare that someone's comfortable talking about money. It still makes me really uncomfortable, but it's just like an interesting thing. It's like I thought this woman wasn't afraid of anything, but when we talk about money, like,

38:56

you know, it's it can be a weird topic.

you know, it's it can be a weird topic.

38:59

Yeah. No. I'm pretty comfortable talking about the money. So much like, some of the more, like, investment business side. It's not just me. So I was like, I could feel like I can't talk too much about it because I'm not, like, the only person driving those types of things. So When we were talking to mister Beast, he's been going into, like, you know, feastables, like his chocolate bar and then he created, like, a pop up,

Yeah. No. I'm pretty comfortable talking about the money. So much like, some of the more, like, investment business side. It's not just me. So I was like, I could feel like I can't talk too much about it because I'm not, like, the only person driving those types of things. So When we were talking to mister Beast, he's been going into, like, you know, feastables, like his chocolate bar and then he created, like, a pop up,

39:20

like, cloud kitchen restaurant thing called Beast Burger, and he's, like, talking about different, like, businesses where he can go into and say, okay. I could use my fame and my distribution to, like, give these businesses an unfair advantage.

like, cloud kitchen restaurant thing called Beast Burger, and he's, like, talking about different, like, businesses where he can go into and say, okay. I could use my fame and my distribution to, like, give these businesses an unfair advantage.

39:33

Are you doing it sounds like the ball pit is sort of like that where you're like, okay. If I buy this company and I I make it part of my content, then, like, you know, sales could go up. But, like, I can imagine, like,

Are you doing it sounds like the ball pit is sort of like that where you're like, okay. If I buy this company and I I make it part of my content, then, like, you know, sales could go up. But, like, I can imagine, like,

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any of the taboo sort of like or the, you know, whatever sex related type of products, whether it's, like, you know, It could be swimwear. It could be lingerie. It could be sex toys. It could be, like, who knows? I don't know. I don't know what else it could be. Like, are you going down that pathway? Like, we should actually, like, either buy or create a business like in the in those categories

any of the taboo sort of like or the, you know, whatever sex related type of products, whether it's, like, you know, It could be swimwear. It could be lingerie. It could be sex toys. It could be, like, who knows? I don't know. I don't know what else it could be. Like, are you going down that pathway? Like, we should actually, like, either buy or create a business like in the in those categories

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and use me and maybe the the other my my, you know, other girls I know that will be of promoting this, and, like, we can blow this company up into a a pretty big company. Are you thinking along those lines?

and use me and maybe the the other my my, you know, other girls I know that will be of promoting this, and, like, we can blow this company up into a a pretty big company. Are you thinking along those lines?

40:15

Yeah. I am, definitely for the future as I'm I'm trying to move towards you know, more,

Yeah. I am, definitely for the future as I'm I'm trying to move towards you know, more,

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collaborative efforts with other girls with the rue work. So I, I really wanna do like lingerie.

collaborative efforts with other girls with the rue work. So I, I really wanna do like lingerie.

40:25

I think makeup is a good way to go to.

I think makeup is a good way to go to.

40:29

Judian's she's huge. But, yeah, definitely. Like, those are on my mind right now. Do you have to do products that guys want? Or is it product that, like, how many of your fans are women versus men?

Judian's she's huge. But, yeah, definitely. Like, those are on my mind right now. Do you have to do products that guys want? Or is it product that, like, how many of your fans are women versus men?

40:41

It's gonna be a a mixture.

It's gonna be a a mixture.

40:43

It it's looking like since,

It it's looking like since,

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I'm blowing up more now where it's, like, I do have more of a female audience, especially, like, since a lot of the girls kinda look to me as a

I'm blowing up more now where it's, like, I do have more of a female audience, especially, like, since a lot of the girls kinda look to me as a

40:53

person to follow as far as like the of side goes, Eagle side, whatever you want to call it.

person to follow as far as like the of side goes, Eagle side, whatever you want to call it.

40:59

So it's getting more balanced, but Yeah. I also still have a

So it's getting more balanced, but Yeah. I also still have a

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a project that I've been working on with Ludwig wig this past year. We're making an Amarin flashlight. So

a project that I've been working on with Ludwig wig this past year. We're making an Amarin flashlight. So

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Yeah. That's kinda what I was thinking about. That was We're doing that too. That was the idea that I was thinking about.

Yeah. That's kinda what I was thinking about. That was We're doing that too. That was the idea that I was thinking about.

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Have you,

Have you,

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dude.

dude.

41:19

Have you, have you guys ever heard of kink dot dot com? Have you heard of kink dot com?

Have you, have you guys ever heard of kink dot dot com? Have you heard of kink dot com?

41:25

Alright. So kink dot com was like

Alright. So kink dot com was like

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I I think that they were a website but also the parent company and they owned all these like fetish websites. So you know, kinks. And, I don't know what they all were, but, like, one of them or one of them that was pretty funny was, like, these people who would, like, wrestle and then have sex.

I I think that they were a website but also the parent company and they owned all these like fetish websites. So you know, kinks. And, I don't know what they all were, but, like, one of them or one of them that was pretty funny was, like, these people who would, like, wrestle and then have sex.

41:44

And this guy started to get rid of

And this guy started to get rid of

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Yeah.

Yeah.

41:50

Well, they're like, no. But they were like, Olympic wrestling. Like, they were wearing, like, unitards, and then, like, they, of it warps into sex and whatever. And the, the guy who started it, it was just a guy and he started it in the late nineties during the dot com boom. So he was an early mover, and he built it into a huge business. And eventually,

Well, they're like, no. But they were like, Olympic wrestling. Like, they were wearing, like, unitards, and then, like, they, of it warps into sex and whatever. And the, the guy who started it, it was just a guy and he started it in the late nineties during the dot com boom. So he was an early mover, and he built it into a huge business. And eventually,

42:07

He bought this old armory, which is basically a huge building in the center of the Mission District in San Francisco, which is considered

He bought this old armory, which is basically a huge building in the center of the Mission District in San Francisco, which is considered

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some of the most expensive real estate in the city because it's like a desirable hipster neighborhood. And he built this huge thing, and it was basically like a palace. It was like an airplane. Imagine airplane hangar, but like in the one of the more desirable neighborhoods of San Francisco and he owned it. And they eventually would film all their shit there. So, like, they had like a wrestling area. And then they had like a bar where they would do like people who like to have sex in public. They like mimicked a bar and people would have sex in it and film it and they would charge subscribers, money, whatever. And when I first moved to San Francisco,

some of the most expensive real estate in the city because it's like a desirable hipster neighborhood. And he built this huge thing, and it was basically like a palace. It was like an airplane. Imagine airplane hangar, but like in the one of the more desirable neighborhoods of San Francisco and he owned it. And they eventually would film all their shit there. So, like, they had like a wrestling area. And then they had like a bar where they would do like people who like to have sex in public. They like mimicked a bar and people would have sex in it and film it and they would charge subscribers, money, whatever. And when I first moved to San Francisco,

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I took a groupon

I took a groupon

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tour of it. Like you could, like, You could because it's just like an interesting building that's an old armory where they, like, it's like an old historical building, and it's also a porn studio. And I was hanging out with this girl, and she was like, Hey. Do you wanna go, like, see this thing? It's on groupon. It's a it's a porn studio. We could just go take a tour of a historical building. And I was, like, yeah, I guess. And that's how I learned what kink dot com was I went and, like, oh, you'd see this stuff. And I'm, like, this is crazy. And then I started thinking about, like,

tour of it. Like you could, like, You could because it's just like an interesting building that's an old armory where they, like, it's like an old historical building, and it's also a porn studio. And I was hanging out with this girl, and she was like, Hey. Do you wanna go, like, see this thing? It's on groupon. It's a it's a porn studio. We could just go take a tour of a historical building. And I was, like, yeah, I guess. And that's how I learned what kink dot com was I went and, like, oh, you'd see this stuff. And I'm, like, this is crazy. And then I started thinking about, like,

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all these media companies, like, Jimmy and I used to do it too where it'd be like, oh, we would've become, like, the Disney of blank. And I'm, like, oh, this guy at kink

all these media companies, like, Jimmy and I used to do it too where it'd be like, oh, we would've become, like, the Disney of blank. And I'm, like, oh, this guy at kink

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That's his Disney's Disneyland. Like, he, like, he had all these people taking tours to come. I think we spent fifty bucks and we got a tour where they're like, here's where, like, the army used to prepare.

That's his Disney's Disneyland. Like, he, like, he had all these people taking tours to come. I think we spent fifty bucks and we got a tour where they're like, here's where, like, the army used to prepare.

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Now we use it as a dungeon for sex takes because, like, there's a hose here, so we could spray people with water while they're sitting. Like, it was all king stuff, and it was pretty wild that this was, like, part of their business model. And, like, the people in that tour, like, I'm a pretty straight laced guy. It was like straight laced people who had no idea what this website was. And then there was other people that were like totally into it and they're like, oh, I'm seeing where this I'm seeing the studio where my favorite stuff is filmed. It was incredibly fascinating. Sean, I've never I'm shocked you haven't heard of that. It was, like, right in the middle of the building. Yeah. I didn't know the the website part yeah, that building is kinda famous. It's a beautiful building from the outside. And, when you go by, somebody will always tell you, you know, hey, this is what that is.

Now we use it as a dungeon for sex takes because, like, there's a hose here, so we could spray people with water while they're sitting. Like, it was all king stuff, and it was pretty wild that this was, like, part of their business model. And, like, the people in that tour, like, I'm a pretty straight laced guy. It was like straight laced people who had no idea what this website was. And then there was other people that were like totally into it and they're like, oh, I'm seeing where this I'm seeing the studio where my favorite stuff is filmed. It was incredibly fascinating. Sean, I've never I'm shocked you haven't heard of that. It was, like, right in the middle of the building. Yeah. I didn't know the the website part yeah, that building is kinda famous. It's a beautiful building from the outside. And, when you go by, somebody will always tell you, you know, hey, this is what that is.

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What is it called? The building? The armory. Right? The armory.

What is it called? The building? The armory. Right? The armory.

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But if you look up, like, kink dot com building San Francisco or something, there'll be a Wikipedia page. And this building, it might be worth

But if you look up, like, kink dot com building San Francisco or something, there'll be a Wikipedia page. And this building, it might be worth

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north of a hundred million dollars at this point. May maybe more. And it it's like a huge building in a very desirable neighborhood. And it was just like super fascinating that this guy did this. And so maybe in the future, what we're gonna see you have is we're we're gonna see you like, be like, oh, hey creators who work with me. Do you wanna, like, come you wanna place to come stay? Like, you know, I can you could you could host your office in my studio, and then eventually it's like, hey, fans of us, whoever wants to spend, a hundred bucks. You can come get, like, a walking guided tour. And then eventually, you're just gonna own, like, all this amazing, yeah, red red light district style. You're gonna own all this real estate. Anyway, It was a really interesting play that these folks did, and it I think it I think the,

north of a hundred million dollars at this point. May maybe more. And it it's like a huge building in a very desirable neighborhood. And it was just like super fascinating that this guy did this. And so maybe in the future, what we're gonna see you have is we're we're gonna see you like, be like, oh, hey creators who work with me. Do you wanna, like, come you wanna place to come stay? Like, you know, I can you could you could host your office in my studio, and then eventually it's like, hey, fans of us, whoever wants to spend, a hundred bucks. You can come get, like, a walking guided tour. And then eventually, you're just gonna own, like, all this amazing, yeah, red red light district style. You're gonna own all this real estate. Anyway, It was a really interesting play that these folks did, and it I think it I think the,

45:05

building became worth more than their the porn brand. Wow. I I read something you said that I thought was pretty interesting. You go I think you said this. It was,

building became worth more than their the porn brand. Wow. I I read something you said that I thought was pretty interesting. You go I think you said this. It was,

45:14

you go

you go

45:15

there's, like, the but Warren Buffett has this phrase, like, you only have to get rich once And you were saying, like, for social media, it's the same thing. You gotta just build an audience once.

there's, like, the but Warren Buffett has this phrase, like, you only have to get rich once And you were saying, like, for social media, it's the same thing. You gotta just build an audience once.

45:24

You you only gotta get famous once. And so what How did you actually get famous? What was the

You you only gotta get famous once. And so what How did you actually get famous? What was the

45:29

what what was the were there any big inflection points where it, like, it went from, like, you know, that many people watching me or following me to, like, way more, or was it just very steady, or were there be were there any, like, big moments?

what what was the were there any big inflection points where it, like, it went from, like, you know, that many people watching me or following me to, like, way more, or was it just very steady, or were there be were there any, like, big moments?

45:43

I just did the hot tub meta was probably huge. That was probably doubled my growth at least.

I just did the hot tub meta was probably huge. That was probably doubled my growth at least.

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But before that, it was kinda just I guess I entered the social media space at a time when it wasn't over saturated, like, two thousand sixteen. It wasn't as crazy as it is now, or everyone wants to be an influencer.

But before that, it was kinda just I guess I entered the social media space at a time when it wasn't over saturated, like, two thousand sixteen. It wasn't as crazy as it is now, or everyone wants to be an influencer.

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So I think I got really lucky with the timing. And then I just was growing on Twitch and Twitch wasn't over saturated either at that time.

So I think I got really lucky with the timing. And then I just was growing on Twitch and Twitch wasn't over saturated either at that time.

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And I just kinda grew with the platform because I streamed so much. And I and what separated me from others was I was also making content on pretty much every other platform at the same time. Like I had Facebook page, I had Instagram, I had Twitter, I had YouTube, and I was kinda growing at plus Patreon, also kind of boosted my ability to just make that my full time thing because I wasn't relying just on Twitch. I didn't have to keep, like, a day job or whatever. And describe how intense the content,

And I just kinda grew with the platform because I streamed so much. And I and what separated me from others was I was also making content on pretty much every other platform at the same time. Like I had Facebook page, I had Instagram, I had Twitter, I had YouTube, and I was kinda growing at plus Patreon, also kind of boosted my ability to just make that my full time thing because I wasn't relying just on Twitch. I didn't have to keep, like, a day job or whatever. And describe how intense the content,

46:38

like, work is. Because I think some people would say, oh, man. You just post a picture on only fans. That's, like, you make a hundred grand a month, you know, you make a million dollars a month,

like, work is. Because I think some people would say, oh, man. You just post a picture on only fans. That's, like, you make a hundred grand a month, you know, you make a million dollars a month,

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all you gotta do is, like, post a pic, like, you know, once a day or whatever. Like, that's it. What is the what's the reality? Like,

all you gotta do is, like, post a pic, like, you know, once a day or whatever. Like, that's it. What is the what's the reality? Like,

46:55

right now my content schedule is a little crazy, but pretty much every

right now my content schedule is a little crazy, but pretty much every

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week, I'll have, like, a day or two where I just dedicate

week, I'll have, like, a day or two where I just dedicate

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to only fans and fansly and Patreon, like, all my,

to only fans and fansly and Patreon, like, all my,

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NSFW platforms. And then I also, like, the next day I'll do all my YouTube Twitter Instagram content as well. So pretty much two days out of the week or, like, twelve hour photoshoot days

NSFW platforms. And then I also, like, the next day I'll do all my YouTube Twitter Instagram content as well. So pretty much two days out of the week or, like, twelve hour photoshoot days

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across all my different types of content. And then the rest of the time, I'll just stream on Twitch because that's kind of my my billboard that pays me.

across all my different types of content. And then the rest of the time, I'll just stream on Twitch because that's kind of my my billboard that pays me.

47:28

It's my funnel.

It's my funnel.

47:31

Okay?

Okay?

47:34

It's just like There there there's no reason. There it's completely illogical why I feel this way, but it is just funny to like hear like

It's just like There there there's no reason. There it's completely illogical why I feel this way, but it is just funny to like hear like

47:42

you know, Sean and I talk about the exact same shit. It's just like in such a

you know, Sean and I talk about the exact same shit. It's just like in such a

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just with different types of content and it's so funny that it's like it it just not a normal conversation that we typically have where it's with, not safe for work content. And then, and I think that's so cool.

just with different types of content and it's so funny that it's like it it just not a normal conversation that we typically have where it's with, not safe for work content. And then, and I think that's so cool.

47:59

Yeah. It's very different for sure.

Yeah. It's very different for sure.

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But it's all the same mechanics, and it's just like, what? And in my head, I'm like, why do I think what? Like, she's just doing the exact same shit we do. It's just a different niche and frankly, a significantly bigger, significantly more profitable, and significantly,

But it's all the same mechanics, and it's just like, what? And in my head, I'm like, why do I think what? Like, she's just doing the exact same shit we do. It's just a different niche and frankly, a significantly bigger, significantly more profitable, and significantly,

48:15

like, you just you just, you just, like, we're happy with, like, a million dollar a year maybe if, like, in the tech world on the Twitter world. And it's just like, oh, yeah. That's cool. I'm I'm I'm decently happy with a million dollar a month too.

like, you just you just, you just, like, we're happy with, like, a million dollar a year maybe if, like, in the tech world on the Twitter world. And it's just like, oh, yeah. That's cool. I'm I'm I'm decently happy with a million dollar a month too.

48:28

Yeah. It's it's kinda crazy, so I'm trying to get it while you know, the getting is good because I feel like it's such a

Yeah. It's it's kinda crazy, so I'm trying to get it while you know, the getting is good because I feel like it's such a

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rare opportunity

rare opportunity

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to have. I don't always

to have. I don't always

48:38

Do you, like

Do you, like

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okay. So you're, like, you know, doing really well with this stuff now.

okay. So you're, like, you know, doing really well with this stuff now.

48:45

Do you what's the is there, like, an the road where you're like, okay, I'm just gonna, like, I have to retire at certain points. And, like, you know,

Do you what's the is there, like, an the road where you're like, okay, I'm just gonna, like, I have to retire at certain points. And, like, you know,

48:53

do you sort of see, like, I have a very small window here for this, or do you think it's gonna be much longer than that?

do you sort of see, like, I have a very small window here for this, or do you think it's gonna be much longer than that?

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I do feel like I have a small window compared to other types of content since mostly based off my appearance, and there's always younger people coming into the space.

I do feel like I have a small window compared to other types of content since mostly based off my appearance, and there's always younger people coming into the space.

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But, yeah, I I don't know how much longer. I don't have, like, a cutoff period. I would think I would like to be done with the grind, with within the next year,

But, yeah, I I don't know how much longer. I don't have, like, a cutoff period. I would think I would like to be done with the grind, with within the next year,

49:17

maybe three max

maybe three max

49:19

If someone's confused, by the way, because, like, when I first heard about only fans, I was like, why would I pay? Like, porn's free? What what do you mean? Why would I pay five dollars a month for this?

If someone's confused, by the way, because, like, when I first heard about only fans, I was like, why would I pay? Like, porn's free? What what do you mean? Why would I pay five dollars a month for this?

49:28

Is there, like, some psych psychological

Is there, like, some psych psychological

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benefit that people get out of it? Like, you know, what drives somebody to actually pay for something when there's so much free alternative available to them?

benefit that people get out of it? Like, you know, what drives somebody to actually pay for something when there's so much free alternative available to them?

49:39

Out there on the internet.

Out there on the internet.

49:40

I think part of it is the parasocial aspect where it's, like, they feel like they kinda like know this person because they'd see them on either YouTube or Twitch or whatever it is.

I think part of it is the parasocial aspect where it's, like, they feel like they kinda like know this person because they'd see them on either YouTube or Twitch or whatever it is.

49:53

Some people go overboard with it. Like, they treat it like, this is my girlfriend, which is definitely not. Not your girlfriend, bro.

Some people go overboard with it. Like, they treat it like, this is my girlfriend, which is definitely not. Not your girlfriend, bro.

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But yeah, I feel like part of it's just, like, they they like a certain person's kinda look. Like, they're really into whatever characteristics

But yeah, I feel like part of it's just, like, they they like a certain person's kinda look. Like, they're really into whatever characteristics

50:08

make of that creator. And they wanna see more from that specific look that they've become, like,

make of that creator. And they wanna see more from that specific look that they've become, like,

50:14

attracted to, I guess, or have some form of attachment just from seeing their face so much. Sam, have you ever heard this word parasocial?

attracted to, I guess, or have some form of attachment just from seeing their face so much. Sam, have you ever heard this word parasocial?

50:22

No. No. Can you can you define that a little bit, Kate? You've used that word. And then the word about when you were talking spamming the comments. I've never, like, heard someone call it that. That was that was an interesting one too.

No. No. Can you can you define that a little bit, Kate? You've used that word. And then the word about when you were talking spamming the comments. I've never, like, heard someone call it that. That was that was an interesting one too.

50:34

Parasocial is basically like a

Parasocial is basically like a

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one-sided

one-sided

50:37

what air quotes relationship that the viewer has with the content creator. Like some people get way too invested in a,

what air quotes relationship that the viewer has with the content creator. Like some people get way too invested in a,

50:45

creator's personal life. Like, they wanna know who they're dating, what they did today, where they've been? Why aren't they online right now? That's I would say that's a very pure social thing. So they feel like more entitled

creator's personal life. Like, they wanna know who they're dating, what they did today, where they've been? Why aren't they online right now? That's I would say that's a very pure social thing. So they feel like more entitled

50:55

to a relationship and they don't actually know the person.

to a relationship and they don't actually know the person.

50:59

But it's a I mean, but that that's good for you. No?

But it's a I mean, but that that's good for you. No?

51:02

In some ways, until it gets to, like, a stalker threatening level. But,

In some ways, until it gets to, like, a stalker threatening level. But,

51:07

most of the time, yeah, parasocial is profitable for the creator.

most of the time, yeah, parasocial is profitable for the creator.

51:11

But how many times do you think it crosses the line? Like, how often would that happen to you where where it it actually is an issue?

But how many times do you think it crosses the line? Like, how often would that happen to you where where it it actually is an issue?

51:19

I always say you get, like, multiple red flags per day in messages. I'm sure there's even more that I don't read. But as far as in person altercations,

I always say you get, like, multiple red flags per day in messages. I'm sure there's even more that I don't read. But as far as in person altercations,

51:27

typically, if a few a year will try to physically show up at your house, then you get a hoard of people also just trying to swat you and docks you in general who are mad that either you're not dating them or that you didn't respond or whatever.

typically, if a few a year will try to physically show up at your house, then you get a hoard of people also just trying to swat you and docks you in general who are mad that either you're not dating them or that you didn't respond or whatever.

51:42

So it it's complicated. Much crazy. Yeah. People are insane.

So it it's complicated. Much crazy. Yeah. People are insane.

51:46

We get like

We get like

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Well, we Sean and I get like one percent of that because sometimes people will hear Sean talk and they're like, oh, you're really talking about money and, like, you're pretty successful. Therefore, like, show me the way. What the hell? You didn't reply to me. Like, after all I do for you -- Yeah. -- and, like, that's like one percent. I'm sure of what you get because it's when love and all that shit's involved, it's just like way more intense and way more dangerous, I think.

Well, we Sean and I get like one percent of that because sometimes people will hear Sean talk and they're like, oh, you're really talking about money and, like, you're pretty successful. Therefore, like, show me the way. What the hell? You didn't reply to me. Like, after all I do for you -- Yeah. -- and, like, that's like one percent. I'm sure of what you get because it's when love and all that shit's involved, it's just like way more intense and way more dangerous, I think.

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It's like, what what would someone do? Like, they're just they just think that, hey, what the hell man? I I messaged you and, like, we were talking, and I thought we were together. Now you're still doing this stuff.

It's like, what what would someone do? Like, they're just they just think that, hey, what the hell man? I I messaged you and, like, we were talking, and I thought we were together. Now you're still doing this stuff.

52:20

Yeah. Some people get catfish too by, like, people just pretending to be me. And so they'll be like, I gave you all this money.

Yeah. Some people get catfish too by, like, people just pretending to be me. And so they'll be like, I gave you all this money.

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And you didn't show up.

And you didn't show up.

52:29

I'm like, oh, no. Oh, no.

I'm like, oh, no. Oh, no.

52:32

But yeah, typically, it's just crazy people who are

But yeah, typically, it's just crazy people who are

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just basically talking to themselves, one-sided conversation and the DMs never getting a response,

just basically talking to themselves, one-sided conversation and the DMs never getting a response,

52:41

and they just keep going. They just keep going

and they just keep going. They just keep going

52:44

I feel like, I feel like I could create an AI only fan's creator and,

I feel like, I feel like I could create an AI only fan's creator and,

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like, just crush it because

like, just crush it because

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She could do anything, and she would talk to anyone any time of day. And she would, you know, be, you know, the the girlfriend you always wanted. And so, if anyone out there is a, an engineer who wants to help me with this, let's, for a stunt, let's try to create an AI only fans,

She could do anything, and she would talk to anyone any time of day. And she would, you know, be, you know, the the girlfriend you always wanted. And so, if anyone out there is a, an engineer who wants to help me with this, let's, for a stunt, let's try to create an AI only fans,

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girl, who's gonna make a million dollars in a month. That's the mission, and we'll publish how we're doing along the way. And we're gonna learn all the growth hacks, and we're gonna put it all out there. They can't or swatter because she doesn't exist. She doesn't live anywhere. And so, I think it is the, maybe the future there. So so that's my -- Dude, to listen to action. Anybody wants to help me with that project, get in my DMs on Twitter. Sean VP.

girl, who's gonna make a million dollars in a month. That's the mission, and we'll publish how we're doing along the way. And we're gonna learn all the growth hacks, and we're gonna put it all out there. They can't or swatter because she doesn't exist. She doesn't live anywhere. And so, I think it is the, maybe the future there. So so that's my -- Dude, to listen to action. Anybody wants to help me with that project, get in my DMs on Twitter. Sean VP.

53:28

Have you guys seen,

Have you guys seen,

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av

av

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is it called avatar dot me? Yeah. Have you guys seen that?

is it called avatar dot me? Yeah. Have you guys seen that?

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Alright. So check this out. So there's like all this like AI shit where you it's like all built on the back of one thing and then all these people are creating plugins and layers on top top of it. And so there's this new thing where you can upload twenty pictures of yourself and it will give you avatars

Alright. So check this out. So there's like all this like AI shit where you it's like all built on the back of one thing and then all these people are creating plugins and layers on top top of it. And so there's this new thing where you can upload twenty pictures of yourself and it will give you avatars

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created,

created,

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with you in mind. And --

with you in mind. And --

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Okay. Good. -- I did it. Go to avatar ai

Okay. Good. -- I did it. Go to avatar ai

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dot me. That's the that's the one. It's fucking amazing. So check this out. So I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my face and there were a few pictures that I posted of my body because I was doing like before and after of like fitness shit. But It sent me photos back of me looking like a dominatrix,

dot me. That's the that's the one. It's fucking amazing. So check this out. So I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my face and there were a few pictures that I posted of my body because I was doing like before and after of like fitness shit. But It sent me photos back of me looking like a dominatrix,

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looking like I put but then it gave me this other picture that I have no idea what this is. It gave me this other picture where it's supposed to be, like, I only post gave it pictures of me with, like, my stomach up, and it

looking like I put but then it gave me this other picture that I have no idea what this is. It gave me this other picture where it's supposed to be, like, I only post gave it pictures of me with, like, my stomach up, and it

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and it, like, gave it made me it it, like, made a fake picture of my ass, and it was just, like, a picture of my butt. And,

and it, like, gave it made me it it, like, made a fake picture of my ass, and it was just, like, a picture of my butt. And,

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it's fucking disgusting and weird. But,

it's fucking disgusting and weird. But,

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like,

like,

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but I was looking at this, and I'm like, oh, there definitely should be There's definitely gonna be the this type of thing because have you guys seen,

but I was looking at this, and I'm like, oh, there definitely should be There's definitely gonna be the this type of thing because have you guys seen,

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I think it's called replica dot ai. It's basically a service where you can, like,

I think it's called replica dot ai. It's basically a service where you can, like,

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where you can just spend money and you get like a friend that learns how to interact with you, and you also can get like an online girlfriend who just is like, it's a text based conversation that you're having with this fake woman. And she gets to know you and figure out your taste and likes. It was all built on AI. Now we just gotta add it with some of this

where you can just spend money and you get like a friend that learns how to interact with you, and you also can get like an online girlfriend who just is like, it's a text based conversation that you're having with this fake woman. And she gets to know you and figure out your taste and likes. It was all built on AI. Now we just gotta add it with some of this

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with some of these pictures and then event eventually deep fake videos and like

with some of these pictures and then event eventually deep fake videos and like

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your job ultimately

your job ultimately

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is gonna be completely,

is gonna be completely,

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like, you know, unnecessary.

like, you know, unnecessary.

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Like, you the use of the world are gonna be it's like, hey, wait. You're real. Why would you do it? Why are you wasting that time being real?

Like, you the use of the world are gonna be it's like, hey, wait. You're real. Why would you do it? Why are you wasting that time being real?

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You know, or, like, maybe there should be, like, bots of you that understand your personality and actually talk to these men and you can like license out your your face to replica dot ai. There's gonna be a lot of interesting things like that I think in the near in like the next two years probably.

You know, or, like, maybe there should be, like, bots of you that understand your personality and actually talk to these men and you can like license out your your face to replica dot ai. There's gonna be a lot of interesting things like that I think in the near in like the next two years probably.

55:44

Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. For sure.

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It's it can kinda crazy the technology.

It's it can kinda crazy the technology.

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Right on. Alright. Well, listen. This is great. I'm glad you came on. Thanks for doing this. And,

Right on. Alright. Well, listen. This is great. I'm glad you came on. Thanks for doing this. And,

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where should people, where should we find you if they want to, you know,

where should people, where should we find you if they want to, you know,

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see more Learn more.

see more Learn more.

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Could get to know you a little bit better?

Could get to know you a little bit better?

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I just just prefer if it's my link directory, and the URL is easy to remember. It's down bed dot com.

I just just prefer if it's my link directory, and the URL is easy to remember. It's down bed dot com.

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What? Downbad dot com? Yes. Downbad dot com. Okay. Sounds easy.

What? Downbad dot com? Yes. Downbad dot com. Okay. Sounds easy.

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Okay, basically. It has all my platforms listed there because sometimes, you know, stuff gets banned, and the link will change. So it's always there. That's cool. Alright. Thanks, Kate. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks. Appreciate you.

Okay, basically. It has all my platforms listed there because sometimes, you know, stuff gets banned, and the link will change. So it's always there. That's cool. Alright. Thanks, Kate. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks. Appreciate you.

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