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I think you could reinvent toastmasters.
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Like, I feel like this is a business I could start if I wanted to, which is, like,
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toastmasters I think can be modernized. Like, you don't have to have the oversized suit. You don't need the, like, in person meetups. Like, I wrote Discord toastmasters. Like, I think you could do this whole thing in Zoom or Discord.
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Like, I think you just have people get into little chapters,
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practice this stuff, make, you know, they kinda meet people, they kinda learn some techniques, and they kinda get over their stage fright around public speaking. And the local ones ladder up into like the state ones and they ladder up into like the national ones, and some people compete at it. And you get your certificate after going through program, and it's like kind of a course, it's kind of a church, and it's kind of like a self help, the seminar.
00:42
That I think could be recreated in a modern way. Using Discord. That's my idea. React to that.
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Alright.
00:54
What up?
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It's my first million.
00:57
The podcast
00:59
that will change your goddamn life.
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If you like your life, unsubscribe right now because it ain't staying the same by the end of this. Listen to that again.
01:09
That's a good, tagline.
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Alright.
01:13
By the way, I think of all these amazing intros when we're not here,
01:17
on the pod. And then I totally forget to do them. Like, last night, I was like, I was doing this little train sound to my daughter. And I'm I was like, dude, I'm freakishly good at making this train sound. I am, like, the best at doing this fake trade. I was like, I gotta show Sam. I'm just gonna start the podcast, but like, Sam, you wanna hear a train sound? And then I'm gonna do it. Ready?
01:44
Hold on. That's not good.
01:49
This is the
01:51
stupidest shit ever.
01:54
I thought they would listen to this. A great cold open.
02:00
Alright, dude. Talk to me about this dude who emailed us this guy. Who's this guy? Alright. So so Jonathan was like, hey, you guys gotta announce the winners for the clip contest, and I don't know who they are, but he's gonna help us do it. Is it Jonathan, is it this guy Dylan, or can I a separate story about this guy? I I don't know who Dylan is.
02:17
Okay. Alright. So this guy is a winner in my heart. He may not have won the contest But I'm gonna find a way to, like, employ this person because he's amazing. So this guy reaches out.
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I'm just gonna read you the cold email because it was too good. He goes, It's a grant of letter.
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Yeah. I hope a little unsafe where I read this. It goes. I've clipped every MFM YouTube pod that has been released. Just
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All business straight to the end. There he goes. Hey, Sam and Sean. Then all, again, and all bold. I've clipped every MFM podcast episode you've ever released. I'm twenty two unemployed.
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I'm moving to Israel next month, and I have nothing to lose. Just kidding. He didn't have that nothing to lose part, but that shit would have been a little dangerous.
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He says I have nothing but seven k in savings.
02:59
To avoid getting a job in Israel, I figured I'd clip a I'd clip all of your podcasts And either, a, you're you're you'll buy my clips channel or, b, you'll hire me to do this for you full time. You keep saying that you wanna grow your YouTube channel, but you're not you're simply not putting on enough content. Let me explain.
03:15
YouTube shorts short viewers are addicted to crack cocaine.
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YouTube wants to give viewers as much crack cocaine as possible to keep them addicted to YouTube. Your content is the crack cocaine. And crack cocaine addicts don't care about quality. They care about quantity, the amount of crack. And then he goes,
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Here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna use YouTube shorts to drive people to your main channel. Your main content is is quality. Your shorts are gonna be quality.
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Hire a dog,
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parenthesis
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me, which is just
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just an incredible way to start a sentence, hire a dog, parenthesis me, to pump out a hundred shorts a day, get an average of six hundred thousand new monthly viewers that will come from the YouTube discovery feed. What's and then he goes, this is the ransom letter party he goes. What's six hundred thousand new monthly viewers worth to you?
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Question, Mark? Your dog, Dylan. That's right, Dylan. You are my dog, man. This is amazing.
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This is an amazing email.
04:08
Spoke straight to my heart. I emailed them. I I did you I replied separately. Did you do? No. I just forwarded it to everybody. Forwarded it to my whole team. I was like, this guy's a dog. And then we and then he put a clip in there. He goes, here's an unlisted video from the account to prove it to me. And then you watch it, and he's talking, and he sounds normal, and he's cool, and he's interesting. And I was like, I freaking love this guy. I know. I emailed him. I was like, hey. I I'm gonna say your stuff to HubSpot and they could decide what they wanna do with this. But like, can I hire you to do stuff? Because you told me you hired this content person. I was like, I probably need I've kind of been stuck into my personal shit. Maybe I should hire this guy, and I emailed them. So I'm definitely gonna talk to him. He this was a really good email. I ignore just about every single email, but this one, I replied. And I was like, so Dylan, I haven't replied yet, but you're gonna get something from both of us or one of us. I don't know.
04:59
Jonathan, you had some more logistical things to say about who actually won the contest. Who who won the contest?
05:06
So we do a contest. Not win, by the way. Wait. And well, let's say, so we do a contest
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where we give five thousand. So basically, we have like these full episodes on YouTube. People go there. They clap, clip them up and they post them on TikTok and Instagram whatever. These are hashtag, and we just are gonna select people and we give them five grand. But go ahead, Jonathan. Yeah. So you select we select one person who has the most views period. And then the other one is just the person of our choosing. So Dylan, you are the lucky winner. It sounds like.
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But the actual winner was just some dude who created a a TikTok with Neil Patel, and it said, like, this billionaire spins hundred eight k, which is not even true because he's not a billionaire.
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So that is the other winner that person's
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channel is called. How many views did that get?
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That thing has a million views, I think. Two million views.
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Yeah. My first
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my first mill clip
05:58
How do these like, there's so many kids that are doing this. They put it on TikTok. How how do they get so many views? Well, this guy is a genius because He took he took the right clip. Right? So he took a clip of some guy saying how much he spends, which is gonna go viral because people get mad about it.
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People get mad when they hear somebody spending so much money and talking about it so casually. Because he also says in the clip, you know, I'm not rich, but, blah, blah, blah. And then people are, like, Yeah. You're not rich, bro. You spent a hundred and eighty k a month, and they, like, go off. And so that that little thing is like a trigger. And then it's like, watch this. I'll trigger everybody right now with this one little clip So I think that's what worked also in the comments. He was smart because somebody would comment and be like, who is this guy or the, and he he'd reply. Founder of Google question mark question mark, like, the the the guy. So he's intensely replying the wrong thing, and everyone's like, dude, that's not the founder of Google. So all of a sudden the algorithm's like, mhmm,
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yes, comments.
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Oh,
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comments. And so he would just reply, like,
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like, nonsense shit to people's comments, and then people would be like, you're wrong, dude. You're so wrong. He's like, yes, but I'm about to win this five grand off this two million view clip. So, you know, congrats. But also, guys, I feel like we should right now, they're all making their own handles. Like, m f m f m clip,
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you know, million clip boys. And, like, they all have their own little handle. Like, shouldn't we get these people? It's only, like, I don't know, ten people who are really good at this. Like, could we get them behind, like, our actual clips channel and be like, whoever within this channel
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gets the most views gets the the bounty for the month? How do you do that? You just you're gonna give the password and log in to ten different people and just say, like, fight. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you just, like, work it's like, gonna throw, like, one floor to go ring ten people. A cockfighting,
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event.
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I'm down. I'm can can we is that able to be pulled off? Like, can you how do you know who's this who's? But they tell, like, put them in a slack and give them all the login. And then when they post, it's like, they have to say, I posted x. And then you're like, alright. Cool. Jump up. Put in the spreadsheet. Which one you posted? And then we'll keep track. And we do that? That actually that's great. Let's just do that. It'll also make it easier for all of them because then that account will have more content. So then all of them will benefit from the additional algorithmic
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juice, the followers that builds up will all be aggregated,
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and we will own the channel in the end, which is helpful to us. And so I feel like that's a better way to go. Sounds like Dylan's the dog. So we just put Dylan to work, and he should be able to Oh, Dylan,
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you know, like, in in any good, you know, like, cock fight, you know, two chickens or roosters or whatever fighting each other. It's like there's the one who's got, like, one eye. He's been through, like, a hundred fights and he's still here. So that's Dylan, the dog. And every new challenger kind of comes in and he kind of wrangles them and then, you know, keeps them all together. That's how I'm viewing this. I'm I'm I'm about it. Anyone that calls himself a dog, I think, is pretty cool.
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So
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I'm a simple man with simple taste.
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Yeah.
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Like, well, I only know, like, dog the bounty hunter, but he's cool to me. So this guy, Dylan, the dog, is is the we're two for two for cool dogs.
09:06
Your man's got an alliteration? Sweet, man.
09:10
See no more.
09:12
Where do we go from here? Alright. Well, let's talk about this content remix or things. So I posted this on Twitter. I think this is kinda what you were talking about. I was like, hey, man, I produce a bunch of content, but, like, I'm kinda lazy with the follow-up. So, you know, I'll produce the content of this podcast. But as soon as we'd, like, literally, the podcast ends with usually you say Alright. We're done. That's the episode. And then literally, it's usually, like, one second later. I'm, like, I realize how hungry I am. I'm, like, I'm gonna go eat by, and then we, like, don't talk again until the next, you know, the next morning.
09:45
I just I had to, like, you and I recorded Today's Wednesday recorded on Monday. I, like, messaged Ben on Tuesday. I'm like, why aren't the episodes out? And he goes, like, because we release it, like, next week. I'm like, We do since when. It's like always
09:59
last February.
10:02
Yeah. Like,
10:03
I don't know how this podcast goes on the internet. Yeah. We're even way Almost never or, like, the other day, I, like, clicked it in the in the app. And I was, like, oh, man, like, this description is horribly out of date in this title and this intro, and I, like, sent Ben all these notes, and he's probably like, dude, we've been doing it this way for, like, if you had a problem with this, why did you say anything for the last nine months? And then say, I don't know. I never listen. I never click it.
10:25
I'm here for the live show. I don't I don't go to it after the fact.
10:29
It takes up a lot of space on my phone. In fact, I delete all the episodes.
10:33
And so, you know, I'm not really the the the right listener. But anyways, long story short. I put out this tweet. I said, hey, I wanna hire a content remixer. Basically, I put out content
10:43
on a podcast or my our newsletter for Milk Road, but that's content that could live, that could be turned into tweets, turned into LinkedIn posts, and, like, It seems like that's what smart people do. They, like, cross post their shit at other places. Like, we're we're doing contests so that somebody else will take our clips and put it on TikTok.
11:00
So this is this idea of content, Rick's remixing. And I got a bunch of people interested, which was great. I hired one guy. This got Brandon,
11:06
and he started with me this week, and he's already putting out Like, already this week, I'm gonna put out more content than I did, like, the last six months because he's, like, all he's doing is taking the best stuff we've already done and just, like, packaging it into smaller nuggets that can go on all these different places. Channel?
11:20
So, like, for example, I'm adding a newsletter send once a week. That's just gonna take the three best ideas or topics we talked about on the pod. I'm just gonna compile them into that. Because I know those people, like, people who are on my newsletter, or they would like this content summarized,
11:33
and maybe even fleshed out. Right? Because the podcast is very off the cuff. So sometimes you could kinda trim the fat and do a little extra research, add a little data,
11:41
and make it even better. And so just take the three best things we talked about. So he's doing that for Milk Road. He's putting we put it on LinkedIn. We put it on Twitter. It's like, okay. Cool. So there's this idea of content remixing.
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And as I was doing it, I saw a bunch of other people were like, hey,
11:56
if you find anyone good, I would happily pay for this. I'm You know, I'm I'm already, like, you know, up to my ears and, like, how much content I'm willing to create. And, like, I would love it if somebody just took my stuff and repurposed it for other platforms. Who's an example of someone who reached out?
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So,
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oh god. Who's their names? So I'll show you.
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Actually, the guy who used to work for you, Alex Garcia, I think is his name.
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So he had tweeted out something very similar. He's like, you gotta recycle your content.
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And a bunch of people had replied into that as well.
12:31
So that's that's where I had seen. Oh, wow. There's like, I'm not just getting emails about it, but, like, people publicly were also like, I would, I would pay for this if you had this. Here we go. So,
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this guy I don't know how you say his name, Kai
12:45
Kai Hi. I don't know. He's got this famous blog rad reads dot co. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he says the guy's name? I don't know. It's one of those words that I have only read on paper, and I'm too embarrassed to say it out loud. So he's probably got like, you know, I don't know, tens of thousands or ten thousand subscribers. He goes, he goes, man, how would I find train to manage this person? Like, let me know if you find it. Another guy, Katie says, dude, this is so true. I need one for my newsletter.
13:07
Another person comes in and they're like, forgot who it was. Like, somebody who's in there, like, kinda buying business to space, and they were like, yeah, I would kill for one of these. And so I started thinking, like, actually, I've been noticing there's these, like, niche agencies
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that people create that are, like,
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this, like, productized
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service. So it's a service that they turn into, like, hey, you need an exec assistant.
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Like, just come to us. We have vetted trained
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exec assistance that we will assign to you, and we'll kinda manage that relationship and make sure that you you learn how to use them, and they provide great service to you, and you're not, like, You don't have to find them. You don't have to train them. You don't have to worry about quality control. And so, like, I think Athena is one of those that's it's, like, big in the, like, tech circles.
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Our buddy, Jack, I think, uses one of theirs. We talked about the And we have, like, right away. Our French,
13:54
Marshall does shepherd. Is it called support shepherd. Support. Yeah. And they, like, scale pretty quickly.
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It's just a service based business. It's very straightforward.
14:03
My buddy, Jesse Puji, he did one called growth assistance. Pretty dope. Basically, it's like, hey, there's people like in the Philippines that are really good at, like, managing your Facebook ads, reporting data in Excel, like, every day, you know, like, going and updating your SEO tags and shit like that. Like, all these, like, little things that help your business grow. So he took the idea of, like, a VA or a executive assistant. He just rebranded it as a growth assistant. And specifically, they know how to do tasks that are related to growth.
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Like, oh, I'll go get a transcript made and then I'll format it. I'll post it on your blog or I'll I'll do what I'll look up your analytics and post it to you in Slack every morning. You and I have a friend.
14:38
And they make a million dollars a year, eighty thousand dollars a month ghost writing tweets for other for, like, popular people, not popular people, but like business
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people,
14:47
writing other people's tweets and using his,
14:50
handle to click like on the tweets that they write. So it could traction. And --
14:57
A basic. -- he was this person was telling me about this. And I was like, a, that's awesome. And, b, like, if you wanted to and actually scale this into something that could potentially make like four, five, six million dollars a year, I think you could do I mean, it's just it's just a boring agency. It's not like that cool, but I think you could just do like a Twitter ghost writing service. I don't actually know how you would do it. Because,
15:19
this person who I mentioned, they do have some help overseas. And I don't actually know how would you do it? How do you teach
15:25
how do you teach someone in the Philippines to do this?
15:28
I think you could teach it, but the hard part is, like, if if you're a gross writing for somebody else, like, again, you need the source content from somewhere. Right? Like, that the thought has to be somewhere. So anybody could write the tweet once you have the thought. Like, for example, you did this with that. What's the name? The hockey player, you helped, like, go super viral, like, five times?
15:45
Chris. So Chris Pronker. But, dude, that was like the easiest thing because I'm like, well, you're like, you've made over a hundred
15:51
million dollars in the ASHA. Like, this is the easiest thing ever. It's like Right. So you you you said it's like a this is an interesting story. Yeah. Well, it's like a hot chick asking, like, for dating advice. It's like, oh, I mean, there's, like, like, it's the easiest game on earth. Right. You know what I mean? You got Instagram tips for me and say, yeah.
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Like, move the camera down to three inch
16:11
Yeah. It's just like the easiest. You know what I mean? Like, they he he had the goods, you know, like -- Yeah. -- it was ease that's a that's an easy game. I don't know how you would do for someone who's just a computer nerd. Well, I think people do it for companies. Right? I think that's where he that's where that that friend is doing it. They they basically take companies. I think that they invest in and then they upsell them this service for their company content. I think that's the goal. For the for the,
16:33
like the CEOs.
16:34
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And so they they kind of whatever. I don't know. But, but I'm interested in these, like, productized service agencies. I think they could do well. I bet you I I'm I don't wanna do this. So, like, feel free to steal my idea of, like, content remixers.
16:48
There's all this already exists for, like, you know, we cut clips of your YouTube videos. I'm not saying this doesn't exist. I'm just saying a lot of people would be successful. A lot of people are doing this right now for clips. So you and I know a couple of people, like that guy, Michael, who, he met with the other day. And then, what was the guy's name? So we hired, like, two years ago to do Julian and Henry. Yeah. Yes. And that's, like, fine. I think tax is way easier. Like, way easier. Like Right. And the market is better because podcasters
17:15
are not a good market to sell to -- They don't have the first type of stuff. They're not making any money off this. Right.
17:21
So you need to go for somebody who already has money and just has a shortage of time.
17:25
And for them, words that bring them attention
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becomes,
17:30
you know, becomes more money. Right? How much that's the trick? How much did you pay this guy? You probably don't wanna say it. I don't wanna say I already said his name. But, you know, love it. It's a reasonable amount. So, but, but I would say, if you wanna see kinda how these that guy, Jesse,
17:43
Jesse Puji on Twitter,
17:45
he tweets out the numbers behind his agency every, like, month or two. And so, like, they're now up to five hundred, I think, five hundred thousand a month in monthly recurring revenue,
17:55
four four hundred to five hundred thousand. There's a woman named Adrian who actually runs the company. So he had the idea. He had a friend or somebody had worked with in the past name. Adrian, she
18:04
start actually, like, is the CEO of that company and is called growth assistant. And growth assistant basically just means like they fill out the they just they fill out like spreadsheets.
18:15
It's kind of like all the little junior growth hacky assistant stuff. So, like, I'll tell you how we use it for ecomm. Right? Or, like, we don't use them, but, like, here's what I would you. I I kind of, like, this is, this is for somebody who's not as experienced maybe because, like, I already had people like to set up. So I didn't need to pay the additional,
18:33
like, fee that you'd, you know, you have to pay this management company. Right? But,
18:37
basically, I'm like, hey, every day, you go put you go take all the,
18:41
these five KPIs from our, Facebook ads, Google ads, and, Shopify, you put them in this spreadsheet, you color code it, you take a screenshot, you put that in Slack, because I wanna wake up in the morning, and I wanna see our numbers color coded, and I wanna be able to comment on it and take action. I don't wanna spend the hour. Right. Like, digging through and updating this dashboard. And then secondly, it's like, oh, okay. Cool. Every week, I want you to go take the top sellers. I want you to reorganize the store based on these rules. And it's like, I'm sure there's some software app that can kinda do this, but, like, for for every business, there's all these little nuanced, you know, like sort of like duct taped together things that you do that just make it work a little better. But anything that's repetitive and anything you don't enjoy, you wanna delegate. And so you delegate that to a growth assistant. You teach them how to do this. Like, we do it with influencer outreach too. Like,
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Go on go to this tool, find influencers who who match this criteria,
19:31
reach out with this pitch. Here's the follow-up sequence. I help craft with you. And then, like, every time they they post something, put it in this Google Drive photo so that my ads team can use it. Right? Like, it's like super it's like a pipeline, you know, of of of organization.
19:45
Gee, can you tell me about this DTC soda stream competitor thing?
19:49
Yeah. I I think it's a great idea. So I got a soda stream You probably already have one or have seen it. Dude. So listen listen listen what I have. I have a soda stream. Okay. And then as a gift, I was gifted this thing. So a soda stream is basically,
20:04
a canis. It's this thing, whatever, but you buy, like, the you have to buy, like, a thirty dollar canister at the rate I was going, like, every,
20:12
two or three weeks because I I use it at a time. That's, like, all I drink.
20:16
It's like thirty bucks. So what I did was I went to a scuba store,
20:21
and I bought a hue,
20:23
a scuba tank,
20:25
And it's you can if you go to my TikTok, you could see it. I bought this huge scuba tank and that cost,
20:31
like, thirty dollars.
20:33
And I filled it up with, c o two or whatever it is, and that's what I've been using to to drink, for my soda stream. And it's the greatest thing ever. You, like, I just bought this, like, this, like, this, like, attachment so I could,
20:46
use it. It's pretty amazing. That's hilarious, dude. Yeah. So I just got one.
20:52
And I used to laugh and be like, oh, nice home brew you're doing for your water. Like, jeez, you know, like, like, could you pick a more boring hobby than, like, bubbling your own, like, water at home. Dude, check check the link that I sent you in the slack or in the, in the in the riverside chat.
21:10
Okay. Let's see.
21:12
Is this your okay. It's a TikTok of your,
21:15
oh my god. This is hilarious. It's a giant scuba tank on the ground
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hooked up wired to your soda stream.
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Is this not gonna be, like, too high powered?
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It's makes it it's very high powered. I like I like a what I say at home is I want my bubbles to be aggressive.
21:32
I want. I want I want I really thought your quote there was gonna be cooler.
21:36
Yeah.
21:37
You're like I say at home. I I I always tell people I like my water bubbly.
21:49
But I do like aggressive bubbles. Like, you know, topo chico. I want it, like, how it burns so good. That's what I want. And, yeah, yeah, there you go. And and that's what I want. So anyway, I did that. I bought, like, a piece for it for, like, ten dollars. Like, it converts a scuba tank into a canister for to for these soda streams. This soda stream business, do you know that it's like a multi billion dollar product?
22:09
Yeah. That that's what I was gonna bring up. So I when I bought this, I was like, I was like, this is a great idea. You know, I'm buying tons of lacroix and stuff like that. It's kind of annoying. Go lug these heavy can things. It was like, actually, this does make sense. To do at home.
22:21
And the product is slick. You don't plug it in. Like, I thought, oh, I'm gonna have to, like, connect this to my water line or something like that. It's like, no. It's, like, just sits on your counter.
22:30
No attachments. It's like fucking hands free wireless bluetooth. Got it's like an airpod, basically. And you put the bottle in, you pump it three times, you feel like you feel like you did it. So you get this, like, sense of accomplishment, and then you get the fresh sparkling water. And it's awesome. And it's not even flavored, but it's fine. And, my daughter loves making it with me. It's like a whole activity I can, like, if she's crying, I'm like, you wanna go make some spicy water? And she's like, yes. And so then we go and do it. And so I'm like, alright. This is an amazing thing. I go look it up. I'm like, you know, I think the soda stream could be big. And then of course, not the internet. I go Google. It's like, it sold for three billion dollars. Like, I don't know, five years ago or something like that. Like, it's the only Pepsi. I think they probably do a billion in revenue. Like, I'm pretty sure. Right before they sold, they were at nine hundred something million in annual revenue. And then they sold in, like, you haven't heard numbers since. And, like, I'm sure it's over a billion dollars now.
23:19
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that so there's two businesses in this space that I was shocked at how big they are and one was soda stream. I think it's an Israeli company. Correct? I'm just this is off memory. I don't remember. Yes. I believe so. Yeah. It's an Israeli company that has been around for a bit and they killed it. Them, and you know what else is just a behemoth
23:36
is Kurig, Kurig Coffee.
23:39
I think Kurig Coffee makes,
23:41
like, five or ten or something crazy billion dollars a year in revenue and it's been parlayed into a holding company, that they buy all types of other stuff.
23:50
Right.
23:51
Oh, wow.
23:52
Yeah, the other one that's like this, and I thought you were gonna says, what's the name of the one that was in
23:57
offices?
23:58
And I think this is a I think it's Bevy. Yeah. B. V.
24:02
Why? Or I I'm not sure exactly which one.
24:05
That was a multi hundred million, maybe a billion dollar company also. And basically, it was like, hey,
24:10
fancy water fountain for your office. Like,
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You can bring your water bottle to this. You can, just take a cup. It could do bubbling. It could do flat. It could do warm. And it's like,
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Alright. That's cool. That's better than, like, and I think they give you the machine for free and then you gotta, like, just pay for the canisters over time. Right? It's the same, like, razor blade model. I'm like a big soda guy. Like, the point of sometimes I go when I lived in San Francisco, I used to go to this movie theater nearby because they had a freestyle coke machine that you could use without buying a ticket to the movie. I would I would always walk there just to get a cherry vanilla coke zero out of the soda machine, the freestyle machine. You know, those machines?
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Of course. Of course. They're the best. So I try to buy one,
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and
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you can't. You can't buy, you can't buy one of those machines. You have to lease it. And their terms, it's like a lifetime lease. So you have to spend, like, I think, like, two hundred dollars a month and you have to be willing to sign, like, this crazy agreement And then they have to come every month to refill the thing. It was a pain in the ass. I was like, dude, I just want, like, a, like, a, I want, like, a Coke fountain.
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Like this seems like pretty easy. Just let me give you money and have it. And you you couldn't you couldn't do it. So these bevy machines, I'm all about. I think they're amazing. And the soda the soda stream, I think it's also amazing. I'll I have one and I use it all the time too. But I I hate one of Bed Bath and Beyond and buying those stupid ass containers.
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Right. And so I think that there there are, but I think that there
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I'm sure somebody's successful. But, basically, I saw it and I was like, would make for a really interesting d d c product because I think you could this has the makings of what would make a really good d d c product. And then I found one that was, like, really well designed. I can't find the name of it right now. It's cellback or some sellback or some I don't know what it was. Some something like that. But basically, soda stream competitor, but you just say, alright. These guys are selling through Target and whatever,
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How can I
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do the normal DTC play playbook? Right? Get the logo, lowercase, pastel fonts, send it to some influencers,
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create a juicy offer that's, like, you know, you can get the machine for, like, just pay for shipping, and I'll send you the machine. And then, like, now you're on the hook for this subscription of, like, cartridges,
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Someone, like, someone's been reading house or mostly book.
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Make it small, make it big. Do something to, like, make it add a twist to but, damn, this thing could,
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this thing could work. This thing could pop off. So I don't know, DDC's soda stream competitor. I think that's, like, a hundred million dollar plus idea. Yeah. That's an easy one. What else do you wanna do?
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Alright. Let me give you another thing that I think is kinda cool. So
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I started teaching my course this week. And,
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How'd it go? Is it bigger? You know, I make it I make it look easy, bro. I make it look easy.
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I heard people showed up shirtless.
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Yeah. There's multiple people who just come to the class without the shirt on. And I'm like,
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bold, bold choice,
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make yourself a home.
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And,
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you know, they're all, like, ripped. So, like, you know,
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It's not like
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like, we do have a line, and the line is if you're not ripped, you can turn it on. If you're
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not adding to the visual appeal, you're taking away from the visual appeal. And that's my rule with my course. My class is my rules.
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We're the sale.
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We're the sales.
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How do they compare to the is digital revenue dropping off?
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High sales ever?
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Really. For me. I thought it would be slower because, like, the economy's going down. I don't know why. Maybe,
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maybe I sold it better. Maybe people just were like, oh, you know what? Like, yeah. Life is changing. You got pandemic. You got layoffs. You got all kinds of stuff. Like, What if, you know, basically can I use a skill set here to, like,
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to, like, win in this, like, what do I need to change given that the world is, like, not the same as it was? I think there there's an element of that. Like, it's sort of a news resolution effect, where when the world changes a bunch, people like assess, like, what's what matters? And they realize, like, oh, wow. If I invested A little bit of money here, could I unlock more potential that in this new path? Because my current path is being shaken up. And you did it on Maven. What the reason? Donom Avin,
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they've been, like, they went overboard for me. It's been awesome. So they're, like, they're, like, managing my course for me and, like, doing a bunch of awesome help helpful stuff.
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The first session, I was like, oh, shit. Okay. I gotta, like, dust off the cobwebs. I gotta go perform.
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And right before I was like, okay. I'm gonna go on, and I always work myself into state, a state of mind. And I'm like, I'm gonna I don't I don't show up to these, like, cold, or I don't rely on the slide deck or the material. Like, I gotta perform. So I'm like, but but I'm, like, it's ten minutes before and I'm like, oh, I'm not in state right now. I gotta get in state. So I'm, like, okay. What do I do? And I'm like, I gotta, like, you know, like, in NASCAR or whatever where you pull over and, like, they do, like, the pit stop and, like, like,
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take off all four wheels put new wheels on to, like, paint again, slap the driver in the face, like, go. Like, that's basically what I did to myself. I, like, jumped in a cold shower, and I, like, I, like, immediately,
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turned on this thing. I was like, I like this, like, YouTube video. And I was like, alright. What do I need? I was like, I was like, I think if I come out hot with a story, like, I think in that first two minutes, if I just come in strong, people are gonna be like, oh, shit. This is gonna be an, like, this is gonna be different. Like, oh, this is gonna be good because, you know, like, the first impression is gonna really matter. So I googled this, like, I was like, amazed. I don't know what I wrote, but I was like, amazing,
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start of a speech. I put that in YouTube or And it pops out this video from a guy who won, like, the toastmasters challenge.
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And the guy does this. He goes,
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this is good for the YouTube viewers. Maybe podcast. You're not gonna know what the hell's going on. So the guy walks out on stage, not a not a great looking guy. Some, you know, looks like my Indian cousin from somewhere. So he he walks out and he's like,
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Don't say a word.
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Stan's in front of the stage.
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He's digging into his pocket. You don't know what he's reaching for.
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Pulls out a cigarette, puts it in his teeth.
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It's a lighter.
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I'm trying to light the cigarette.
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And and you can just hear the crowd, like, murmuring. Like, some people are laughing nervously. Some people are like, no. Like, you're indoors. Like,
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don't don't do this. And, like, other people are just like, they don't know what to make of it. So already,
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motherfucker has just said a word, and he's commanding the room just by doing a pattern interrupt. Right? So he comes out here and he's like,
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and he looks at the crowd because they're all reacting at this point, and he was, like, in his own world.
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And he didn't come out there. Hi. I'm Sean. I'm here to talk about, but no. Nope. He didn't go out there and grovel to the audience. He's he's trying to like to say right there. He looks like, oh, you're there? And he he looks and he goes,
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what?
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This?
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No.
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And I was like, what? I was like, what is he doing? This is incredible. This is mind blowing. He's so he's like and just his facial expression, he was like, oh, what?
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What am I doing stuff? This?
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No. He goes, you think this is gonna kill me?
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Let me tell you something. You know how many people die from cigarettes every year? And I was like, he's and nobody does answer. He's like, whatever. Four million people die from cigarettes
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every year. He's like, you know how many people die from, like, obesity from Sugar. If I had brought out a cupcake, and he's like, you know, nobody would have bad an eye. But I like this one little cigarette,
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statistically shows
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that, you know, like, actually the biggest variable in me getting lung cancer is my genetics and not the fact that I smoke. Oh, he goes. And also I made all those facts up. Said that he said that he's like, but he said he's got them, like, in the palm of his hand, they're laughing. They're, like, they're intrigued. Everybody's paying attention. Then he goes into his talk. And whenever he, like, starts his thing, And I was like, this is the fire I need. I turn off the video. I run out the shower. I put on a shirt. I start my my course. And I'm like, I don't do that. I do, like, a completely different thing. But that just sort of, like, set the mood for What did you do to?
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So what did I do? Oh, I go.
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I so I first told the story. I go
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I go, you know, I'm here, but I normally don't do this. And they're like,
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what do you like, you're you're teaching this course. I just paid your money. What do you mean? You don't do this? And so I'm like, I don't know what to do. You know, I,
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I once I wanted to watch what a amazing what's what does the best public speaker do? So do I watch the video of Tony Robbins talking at the Dreamforce conference. Who here is from San Francisco? You know, if you're you know the Dreamforce conference if you're from San Francisco because it shuts the whole fucking city down And you're like, why why can't I drive because Salesforce is having a comfort? Like, they shut down the roads. And people are like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the chat. And then I'm like, alright.
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And Mark Benioff, CEO of Salesforce goes, alright, guys. We got a special treat, the final speaker of the event.
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This guy's one of the best, but here's the deal. He doesn't come out to a cold room.
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This guy will not come out if this room is cold. He won't and and not temperature wise. He's like, you need to have some energy. You need to be I know it's the end of the day, but this guy won't walk out to a cold room. Don't get let's get the clap going and air people start clapping. And he comes out and, like, it's basically, like, you got a standing ovation before you even entered the stage.
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And I was, like, I was, like, I saw that, and I was, like,
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new thing for me. I don't come out to a cold room. And I so I, like, demanded that they give me a little energy. And I was, like, I was, like, how about we start with a story? Who's down for a story Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Give me a story. I go. And I told a story. I I've told it on the podcast before, the the DMV story.
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And, basically, my my my message to them was like, look,
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Let's all be honest.
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Ninety eight percent of courses end in what, and everybody in the chat's like, waste of money, waste of time. Blah blah blah. I'm like, good decision. You dropped a thousand dollars on this course. And you know that the stats say ninety eight percent of you are gonna end up with a waste of money, no results, no progress, waste of time. And I was like,
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Okay. But we don't we don't, you know, we're not part of the we don't wanna be a statistic. So, like, what's the right way to do this? And I told a story about, like, how by trainer, how he goes to the DMV, and normally the DMV is like this horrible experience, and he's like, I want a five star experience. So he decided to show up is, like, if I want them to be a five star hospitality experience, like the Ritz Carlton of DMVs,
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I'm gonna show up as a five star customer. I'm gonna walk in with a different energy into that. And then, like, he and then a bunch of good things happened. He got to skip the lines. Lady gave him the thing. He didn't have to take the test. Blah blah blah. I I tell a I told the full story of that that version. And I was basically telling them, like, you're gonna get out what you put in. If you show up to this, like,
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half of you are right now in the zoom, you slouched over low energy, half checking your phone.
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You know, not sure if this is gonna be good or bad, like, you know, not convinced.
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You know, you're coming in with a two star attitude and a two star effort you're gonna get a two star result. And so I'm gonna show you in this first session literally
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how to attend a course.
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It has nothing to do with writing, but I'm gonna teach you how to show up to a course. We don't learn this in school. I'm gonna show you how to actually do this right. Like, go through a couple of, like, methods. That's actually amazing. So you let's talk about this course thing for a second because it seems like you are getting a lot of energy from doing it. Right?
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In the moment. Yes. I enjoy teaching it. I hate selling it.
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Fair. Okay. Great. I mean, I don't think anyone really enjoys selling it. But I I think you you re you enjoy the the act of teaching,
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which is good.
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This data is wrong every freaking time.
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Have you heard of HubSpot?
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HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated. Well, I can see the clients hold history, calls, support tickets, emails. And here's a test from three days ago, I totally missed.
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Hubspot. Girl better.
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So,
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let listen to this. What I did today is I, so I've been doing this thing. I I had I'm also gonna be a little vague. I'm starting in this new thing that I'm working on, and I found a company in the space that recently sold for two point five ish million dollars to a PE firm. And,
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I found the the partner at the PE firm who bought it. And today I just called them. I just picked the phone and called them. I go, hi. What's going on? My name is Sam.
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Sorry. This is weird, but do you have, like, two minutes to talk? Do you listen to podcasts by chance? Well, he goes,
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He he was like, well, well, you're Sampar right from my first million. I was like, fucking hey. What's up? You know who I am, but but the reason I'm calling is basically I'm starting a business. That's a competitor to the one that you just bought last week. And I wanted to know why you bought that company and what made it great And, what, what, like, what sucked about it?
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He's like, whoa. You're really, like, coming forward. You're, you know, you're being pretty forward. I was like, yeah. Well, like, here's the deal. Like, this is gonna play out a few ways. I'm gonna start this thing and it's gonna fail so, you know, you don't have to worry about that. The second thing is I'm gonna start something and I'm just gonna like crush you guys
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and the third way I start something and you eventually buy us.
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But, like, you know, uh-uh, either way, like, I'm happy to share what I'm doing in in in hopefully you can share what you're doing. And maybe somehow we could figure out a way to to help us. And I was like, I I know that sounds cocky. I'm sorry, but I this is out of respect. I think you guys are actually amazing.
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And,
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it was so productive.
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It it it I like, I like, this building I'm sorry, but,
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me and Dylan, we're both dogs And so
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a dog like me coming to a dog like you.
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But this guy, he was like,
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he said,
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He's like, yeah, you know, like, I gotta go tell the team that, like,
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you know, someone who's done launched businesses in the before who has some capital is going into our space, And I was in my head, I was like, I I don't want to do this, but I was like, dude, I bet you I could sell this company to this guy right now. Now. Yeah. Honestly, yeah.
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It's like,
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I think these things are the outcome.
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Brother, you ever heard of addition by subtraction?
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I can tell you a little something about how to get rid of competition right now. If you could do some addition on that calculator of yours. Take that back going out. Let's come up with the number. Yeah. I was like, I was thinking about it. I'm like, am I can I just threaten you and maybe? No. I would never do that, but in my I was like, I this might be an option.
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And so but the but this tactic of calling these people, it's been very helpful.
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So I'll give another I'm I'm gonna say two things. One, on the thing we're talking about earlier, So this is my,
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why it's okay to be douchey, disclaimer.
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When we're when me and Sam are like,
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we're doing this thing actually been easier. Like, we did this and it just worked. And I did five things that worked. And Sam's like, yeah. Maybe you could do something easier. I'm like, I make it look easy.
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I say that for three reasons. Number one, it's honest. If something is easy, I'll tell you it's easy. If something's hard, I'll tell you it's hard. I'm not gonna, like,
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say what it's not just because it sounds better or worse. And also, when when we say easy, it can mean simple. Like, it's not actually easy, but it's, like, straightforward. It'll, like, I know how to do it. I just have to put the effort in. It's also like,
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for my personal trainer, if he sits down on a bench and there's, like, I don't know, whatever, two hundred pounds and he could he could bench it. It's easy for him because he's put in fifteen years of hard work so that that is now easy for him. And similarly,
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I got my ass kicked for like nine straight years from the age of like twenty to twenty nine with a startup failing over and over and over again. Nothing could have felt harder during that period of time. And so that now things are,
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like, I don't know, relatively feel much easier because I'm better now than I was three, four, five years ago, when I kind of sucked.
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So that's the that's the first part. The second reason,
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that we say it's easy is because this is a podcast, and we're trying to be entertaining. The third reason that we say it or at least that I say it is, I am tired of everybody telling everybody that, like, shit is so hard and, like, If you go anywhere on the internet, right? Like, we joke about the the the multi trillionaire mindset. Like, all of the, like, entrepreneurship
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content
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is, like, how hard it is. You know,
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Elon Musk says starting a company is, like, chewing glass and looking into the abyss.
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And, you know,
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Yeah. Maybe for you, bro, but, like, you know, I I do a power writing course. It's fine.
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You know, it's like chewing bubble gum and looking at the pool. Like, you know, it's it's not the same thing. So
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so it's not if if you always hear how hard it is, you kinda have to question the source. Why do they say that? A, it makes them look more heroic. B, it keeps other people from doing it. C, it kinda justifies why I got, like, why I get to be successful and rich because I'm paying this huge cost.
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And, like, I actually subscribe to a different version of entrepreneurship, which is the way that me and a lot of our friends do things, which is, like, we do it because it's fun. It's gen like, it's genuinely fun to do. So it's not like this painful slog.
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That doesn't mean it's like no effort. No. It's pretty high effort. Just like playing a game or playing, like, pick a basketball, you're gonna end up really sweaty and tired by the end, but nobody confuses pick a basketball with, like, digging in a sand mine to, like, you know, provide for your kids. So it's like, you know, there's a difference between, like,
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enjoyable effort and painful effort. And I would say us, what we do is enjoyable effort. And so I think it's important for people to hear that not everything has to be hard and slow and painful. Like, there is a version of doing a business that is fun and faster and, and, you know, enjoyable.
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And I just wanna present both, like, that both exist
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so that you don't, like, pretend you don't create this fictional story in your mind that, like, everything has to be hard. Okay. That's my disclaimer.
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Did we,
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cross the douche line hard.
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For sure.
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Whatever.
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I'm a habitual,
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line step.
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This line, it's gonna be that line. It's gonna be okay. So I the thing I've got to say the reason I the whole reason I went on that tangent about I make it look easy with the with the talking public speaking thing was the the video I watched was from toastmasters, which I find to be a very fascinating business.
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And so I don't know if you know much about toastmasters. I only know a tiny bit. Like, I don't even entirely know what it is. It's like a it's an entity. It's like a group of meetups. What is it? Ben, Jonathan, have you guys ever gone to toastmasters? Do you have any experience with this? Do you know anything about toastmasters?
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I I know what it is, but no. I've never been. I have no experience would you explain in your words if Sam doesn't really fully know?
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I think of it as a public speaking group where people who maybe don't feel comfortable public speaking go and they give little speeches to each other so that they can get comfortable with it and learn more about public speaking. And Jonathan, did you have something? Yeah. I would say it's like people who wear oversized suits who've been doing it for years or people like me who probably went when I was like, you know, fifteen.
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And I was just like trying to, like, get better at talking to girls or whatever.
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The oversized suit thing is so spot on. Like, you you can't watch a video of this and be like,
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Thirty six long. Are you sure?
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I'm sure that was the right number.
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I'm sorry. You know what that means. I mean, do you you don't even own a suit? I don't, but I just like, you know, I watch TV or something. So,
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So toastmasters is this old school thing. It gets around, like, the the one of the biggest fears people have, which is public speaking, one of the biggest desires is to be able to a good public speaker or be comfortable speaking to strangers.
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And so toastmasters, these, like, look, it's like alcoholics anonymous away. It's like these local franchises, local meetups,
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run by local chairs, and you go to the actual place. I think this is at least how how this is the picture I have in my main my mind. You go to the place, And they kinda, like, teach you things, but then you also get practice in this kinda safe space with a bunch of other people who are trying to get good at this. And it's very, very useful. It's been around for, like, twenty years, and there's, like, There's like a whole, like, ecosystem of people who really care about toastmasters.
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I think you could reinvent toastmasters.
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Like, feel like this is a business I could start if I wanted to, which is, like,
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toastmasters I think can be modernized. Like, you don't have to have the oversized suit. You don't need the, like, in person meetups. Like, I wrote Discord toastmasters. Like, I think you could do this whole thing in zoom or Discord.
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Like, I think you just have people get into little chapters.
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Practice this stuff. Make, you know, they kinda meet people. They kinda learn some techniques, and they kinda get over their stage fright around public speaking. And the local ones ladder up into like the state ones, they ladder up into like the national ones, and some people compete at it. And you get your certificate after going through the program. And it's like kind of a course kind of a church, and it's kind of like a self help, the seminar.
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That I think could be recreated in a modern way using Discord. That's my idea. React to that. You wanna know something interesting. So toastmasters
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is a nonprofit. So all their revenue is public. Guess how much revenue they do.
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I'm gonna say twenty million a year. Wow. Not far. Thirty six, it looks like. Thirty six million dollars a year in revenue.
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And it's from membership dues and fees. So it's like a subscription revenue. Wow. What do they charge? And they've got sixty three million dollars in the bank, it looks like.
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Wow.
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Let me manage that for you.
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I could, would you like to walk away with half that, but with a great story to tell? Because do have some crypto investments for you. I agree with you. I think that it
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I think it could work.
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How many members do you think they have
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I bet it's a huge number that pay a tiny amount. I feel like they have, like, lifetime, like,
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thirty thousand or fifty thousand members of toastmasters. Is that real or is that overkill?
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I can't find it on their thing, but, I can't find it on their under My favorite type of pop quiz.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how many members they have, but I I'm on board. I think this is really interesting. It's dude, Google, have you seen their logo?
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If you think if you think of a villain batman, that's what their logo looks like. It's like a really old
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Yeah. Like, a corporate international
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the game should be.
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Headquarters
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Inc. It, it, like
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It's a clip art
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globe.
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With, like, a blue clipart globe with, like, you know, the the corporate name wrapped around the globe. Wow. This is this is an in this is interesting. I hadn't looked at this in a minute. Yeah, I mean, I'm a board. I when I've gone I've gone to these before, they are pretty life changing. I think learning how to public speak, I always tell people this is the only
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class I took in college that had an impact on my life was, like, debate or speech class or something, whatever it is called. But that's like the only class I think that actually matters that I took in college. So I think it's I think these things are life changing. Yeah. If somebody's working on this, reach out to me.
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I just wanna know about it.
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Specifically, do not reach out to me if you're like, I'd love to talk to you about potentially I might work on this. Don't do that. If you do it, tell me, and just show me a link to your thing, And then let's not do a call, but I'll check it out, and then let's talk more. That's my, that's how I'd like to do this going forward because I get a bunch of inbound. Every time I say that, it has, like, not the right type. I'll give you the right type. I talked about, oh, it'd be fun to create a company like Pixar, like, maybe that's what I'll do. I feel like I could, like, that would be amazing, and I it'd be so much fun. Darmesh did all Darmesh liked that.
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Yeah. I I like what you're about to say. Got all hot and bothered. Is that where you're going with that? I was about to say all hot and bothered.
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Did you see,
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someone goes,
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damn, Dharmesh came on the pod. It talked about, like, how he's not worried about five hundred million dollars. That's some real big dick energy. And he replied, I forget what he said. He goes, that's very nice of you to say that I've got BDE, but I I I really think it's more like I've got I I I try just to have that energy, but I try to have SEV,
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small ego. What was it? Vibes.
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Small ego vibes, and I replied, that's such a big dick energy thing to say.
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And they loved it. And
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and
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and Sarah was like,
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Sarah was like, man, Darmesha's such a great guide. But does he know that he's, like, he needs to tell you to shut the fuck up because, he needs to, like, put you down right now because he he's so nice and he just, like, puts up with all this bullshit.
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No. It's it's it's great. In fact, your, HubSpot experiences, I feel like the opposite of my twitch experience, like, you got acquired And I feel like they're like,
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go on cowboy. Do your thing out there. And they're like, you know, they love it. They're like, oh, Sam, you know, vaguely,
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you know, offended, you know, one tenth of the population today.
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What a guy? You know, it's all good. Just, you know, he's doing his thing. Like, and they, like, engage, they, like, the podcast, all the stuff, whereas, like, I feel like when I was doing this stuff at Twitch, they were like, does this guy work here? Like, why is he just on Twitter? And, like, He just leaves in the middle of day and goes and records at a studio. And, like, what does it have to do with anything that we do here? And I feel like My Twitter personality was, like, a constant source of annoyance for, like, seventy percent of, like, the management team there. And thirty percent, I think liked it or appreciated it. Like, the secure people, they were just like, oh, it's cool. Yeah. Do your thing, man. It's cool. I like it. Or, like, the thing you said was stupid. Why it was stupid and we get into a debate about it and it was all good. But I feel like seventy percent of people were just, like, silently, like, f this guy. This guy is no good. Well, what would you have done with you?
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It depends. You know,
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that's a great question. That's a really great question because my honest answer is I would have been, like,
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Look, man. I get it.
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I like what you do. I'm like basically, I like what you're doing,
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but I also feel like it's is kinda selfish. Like, you know, you're doing your thing. It doesn't really have to do with this. So there's kind of like two ways that this can go. Number one,
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if you're one foot out the door,
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let's maybe go two feet out the door. Like, maybe it'll save us both some pain. Like, if that's actually what you wanna do, let's do it. And, like, then I won't feel like, you know, I don't wanna ever feel like you're not, like, kicking ass for us,
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while that was the agreement. Let's change the agreement if the agreement needs to be changed. The second would be
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the second way I'd approach it is, look, I get it, and this is what Emmit did tell me. He goes, I get it. You're not gonna be here forever. I I wish that you stayed forever, but I I know your future is not gonna be here.
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So let's be honest about that. That's fine. He goes. He said to me, he goes,
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When you do start your next thing, I would love to invest in it. Like, because I know you're not gonna be here forever, but I, like, I really like seeing how you work. I would invest you. So that that made me feel awesome. It made me really respect the guy. It made me, like, put down my guard in terms of that. Like, okay. I can just be honest with this person, which I think is just a great way to, like, manage somebody. And then the the last part, I think that I would have kind of tweaked is just like,
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let's agree
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that
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while you're here, you're gonna kick ass in these ways. And here's my deal to you. You kick ass in these ways.
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You do all these things, but as soon as you stop kicking ass, then let's have a conversation about why that because I know that if you tried, you would do well. That means if you're not doing well, that means you've stopped trying. And I'm not cool with stopping trying. Like, I'm cool if you're gonna spend percent of your energy doing this other stuff and kind of paving your future. But
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I need to know that at least you're gonna kick ass when you're when you are here. I need you to be fully plugged in when you are here. I mean, part of the reason was also that your, like, company had nothing to do with necessarily the stuff that intrigued you and interested you
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my company and my job after the sale was to create content
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and that's what I'm doing. And for the most part, I do it consistently. Like, we're incredibly consistent
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and mostly
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rare rarely offend people. And also
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Darmash is cool as shit. So, of course, I'm gonna give him a hard like, like, I guess I'm gonna mess around with him. But everything we say is, like, flattering for for him. I I at least I think it is. It's supposed to be But, Yeah. That's that's the big difference. Your job is to build this podcast.
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My job was to do something else. I was building the podcast as a side thing. Like, maybe I would I would do is we we record these at noon because that's when everybody else at twitch goes to the cafeteria to eat lunch. That's when the cafeteria opens. And I would just walk outside. Your office was right across the street, and we built the studio there, and I would just walk across the street. And instead of eating lunch, I would go do the podcast. And then when I got back, I would grab a bite and, like, take it to my desk. And, like, so that's how I kind of, like, did it on the side, whereas your job is to do this thing, which is quite different.
51:55
Ben, are is the audience gonna get any types of value from
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this total meandering,
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twelve year old discussion.
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Yeah. Don't do that. You're just fishing for him to say,
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We sucked right, Ben, or maybe
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maybe it's okay. No. Ben, give us the full the full honest day. Don't don't don't compliment Sam because he put himself down.
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So I'll I'll give you, I'll give you a backhanded compliment. Here's the backhanded code.
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This was a good episode.
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Is there an only fans for this?
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This was a good episode. It was a good episode because the show is about business ideas.
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And the show was, like, very fun and great, but sometimes we, like, get away from that too much. And this had numerous good business ideas. So, like, the toastmasters,
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of the future, the whatever discord meets toastmasters, like, that's like an actually good business idea that someone could run with. Or, like, d to D to C soda stream, like, again, it's like a good business idea. So,
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and then agency as another one. Remix their agency,
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kind of,
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tweets,
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as a service is not like a business idea for someone else, but, like, kind of could could spark some thoughts. So it had a ton as packed of business ideas. So I think it was a good episode.
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Ben, you also said it was backhanded, but then you just gave us a normal for front handed compliment. So what was that? No. Because I was saying, like, sometimes on recent episodes,
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we don't talk a lot about business ideas. Okay.
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That's why this one's good because it looks like we're getting back to it. If you got three interesting business ideas out of this podcast,
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I will put that up against any other podcast you listen to. How many podcasts are giving you one good business idea per per hour?
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I'm dropping three
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with at least four to five jokes, solid chuckles
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that will make, you know, the person next to you on the bus be like, what what are you listening to? What is that? So, I mean, this podcast was phenomenal as far as I'm concerned.
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Hey. Before we go, we did like a whole deep dive on my DM history with, mister Beast Sean. Are we gonna talk about, yours at all? Yeah. You know, I was gonna start the pod with this, but I didn't want to
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You know, like, I don't know what the etiquette is on Is there a dialogue going on? Outing Sam Par as the only person on this podcast that is not friends with Mr.
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And, like, you know, I know that for some people, it's, like, it's your choice. It's your body. Your choice. We wanna disclose that, Sam.
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And now that we're here
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after we recorded the pod about Ben
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getting a call from a DM and call from mister Beast, that episode is not even out yet.
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I checked my DMs yesterday.
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Look who's here,
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mister Beast, and he's talking about something else. And I just thought to myself,
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I was pretty happy that it was mister Beast, but I was only more happy that I thought, oh my god. This means Sam is the only one of us that didn't get one. And I got I was over the moon. So,
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that's what happened. Is there is there a dialogue going on?
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There's the dialogue. Brother, this I'm saying words. He's saying words. I'm sending memes. He's sending memes. Actually, it's just me sending the memes, but I'm trying to get a laugh. And, yeah, it's happening. Whether we are full fledged
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hot and heavy conversation.
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I hate you, mister Beast. Good. I don't wanna talk to you. And, Ben, don't tell me if you told him to DM me?
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Like, just don't tell me that. I need to feel like I did this, but I'm gonna put earmuffs on and you say if you told him Well, bent bent
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I I used to tell him, listen. There's these cool guys that I mentor
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who I who I help out every now and then. And,
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you should I think they would really like it. It would, like, make their lives if you could reach out and, like, maybe tell him happy birthday or something like that. I think that's why you reached out. Foundation. Oh, yeah. Like, I I deal with these two guys. They're a little off, but -- They're like my kid with brother. -- being the world to use a dad.
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If he would just accidentally, yeah, send him a word. And, yeah. Do you,
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can we get him on here, you think?
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I brought it up.
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He didn't bite the first time I brought it up, but now that Sean's jamming with him, I bet I bet it does happen at some point. Well, Ben, you got a little kid. You know when you feed a kid, they don't always bite
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But if they don't spit it out either,
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we say, okay.
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Tomorrow, the airplane's coming in again with the back of cheese, and we'll try again tomorrow.
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I don't know where we go. Alright. I guess that's it.
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