00:00

It's really effing hard to start a two sided marketplace. And when you do, the prize is a billion dollars, you know, in your pocket.

It's really effing hard to start a two sided marketplace. And when you do, the prize is a billion dollars, you know, in your pocket.

00:07

I feel like I could root a word or know I could be what I want to.

I feel like I could root a word or know I could be what I want to.

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I put my all in it, like, days off on a road. Let's travel never looking

I put my all in it, like, days off on a road. Let's travel never looking

00:17

Alright. What's up? I was thinking about the beginning of these because,

Alright. What's up? I was thinking about the beginning of these because,

00:23

if you watch, like, Joe rogan, Joe just sort of rolls into the conversation. It's actually starts, like, mid sentence of what they're already talking about. And I think that's kinda cool. It's pretty casual. And then you have other people that really try to, like, brand their

if you watch, like, Joe rogan, Joe just sort of rolls into the conversation. It's actually starts, like, mid sentence of what they're already talking about. And I think that's kinda cool. It's pretty casual. And then you have other people that really try to, like, brand their

00:38

brand their beginning. So I'll give you a couple examples, and you tell me which one you think is a good idea.

brand their beginning. So I'll give you a couple examples, and you tell me which one you think is a good idea.

00:43

So,

So,

00:45

the all in podcast, which I like,

the all in podcast, which I like,

00:47

is hosted by Jason Calcanis. And then he what he does is they have the

is hosted by Jason Calcanis. And then he what he does is they have the

00:52

what they call the cold open, which we do sometimes too, which is you pull a the kinda like the most interesting or funny one liner from the middle of the episode, you put it at the beginning, And then you roll into, like, the intro song where it inter you know, he kind of it's like a custom song that introduces

what they call the cold open, which we do sometimes too, which is you pull a the kinda like the most interesting or funny one liner from the middle of the episode, you put it at the beginning, And then you roll into, like, the intro song where it inter you know, he kind of it's like a custom song that introduces

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the four people. It's like Shamoth, this back king, you know,

the four people. It's like Shamoth, this back king, you know,

01:11

David Freeberg, the king the queen of quinoa, whatever. So that's, like, one version.

David Freeberg, the king the queen of quinoa, whatever. So that's, like, one version.

01:16

Then there's, you know, Scott Adams, the guy who started dilbert or writes the Gilbert comic. He does this thing every time he does a live, and he he used to do live streams, like, every day or something like that. And he would always say let's start with a

Then there's, you know, Scott Adams, the guy who started dilbert or writes the Gilbert comic. He does this thing every time he does a live, and he he used to do live streams, like, every day or something like that. And he would always say let's start with a

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ceremonial sip, and he would, like, hold up his drink to the camera. He would have you do it too. Even though you're not even on camera, you're just at home. He's like, everybody, let's do this.

ceremonial sip, and he would, like, hold up his drink to the camera. He would have you do it too. Even though you're not even on camera, you're just at home. He's like, everybody, let's do this.

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And cheers. Alright. Here we go. And he's like he talked about it. He's like, he's big on neuro linguistic programming NLP.

And cheers. Alright. Here we go. And he's like he talked about it. He's like, he's big on neuro linguistic programming NLP.

01:45

And, and so he's, like, or hypno he's like a trained hypnotist or something like that. And so he's like,

And, and so he's, like, or hypno he's like a trained hypnotist or something like that. And so he's like,

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you want to, like, associate the same sort of, like he's, like, doing this with my tea is brilliant or your coffee because

you want to, like, associate the same sort of, like he's, like, doing this with my tea is brilliant or your coffee because

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it has emotion, it has a taste, it has a smell and it has a word auditory thing I'm saying every single time, the same exact thing. And so I'm basically programming you for a certain feeling or emotion, of the live. So he's, like, really, you know, going hard at it.

it has emotion, it has a taste, it has a smell and it has a word auditory thing I'm saying every single time, the same exact thing. And so I'm basically programming you for a certain feeling or emotion, of the live. So he's, like, really, you know, going hard at it.

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Our buddy Pompe does the same thing. He's got, like, his little catchphrase where he starts. He's like, bang, bang, everybody. And he does this little finger thing at the start of every single video.

Our buddy Pompe does the same thing. He's got, like, his little catchphrase where he starts. He's like, bang, bang, everybody. And he does this little finger thing at the start of every single video.

02:24

Very specifically, it does the same thing every single time. So what do you think about that? I like the Joe rogan one. To just roll into it, don't try so hard. Yeah. Do you agree?

Very specifically, it does the same thing every single time. So what do you think about that? I like the Joe rogan one. To just roll into it, don't try so hard. Yeah. Do you agree?

02:34

I I definitely think that other one's more effective,

I I definitely think that other one's more effective,

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but,

but,

02:39

but who cares? Like,

but who cares? Like,

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you know,

you know,

02:42

I think if you have to try that hard,

I think if you have to try that hard,

02:45

I think it's fine. I guess it's fun to do if it's, you know, whatever, if you think of something, But if nothing comes naturally, I def I don't think you should force it because,

I think it's fine. I guess it's fun to do if it's, you know, whatever, if you think of something, But if nothing comes naturally, I def I don't think you should force it because,

02:53

it's just more likely, like, awkward than anything else at that point.

it's just more likely, like, awkward than anything else at that point.

02:59

And in general, I think that, like,

And in general, I think that, like,

03:01

I tweeted this out about Twitter bios. I don't know if you saw this tweet I did, but I said, here's the Twitter bio paradox. I showed two people side by side.

I tweeted this out about Twitter bios. I don't know if you saw this tweet I did, but I said, here's the Twitter bio paradox. I showed two people side by side.

03:10

One was Dan Gilbert, who's been our billy of the week before. So like, an an actual billionaire. So I ever this guy's a baller,

One was Dan Gilbert, who's been our billy of the week before. So like, an an actual billionaire. So I ever this guy's a baller,

03:17

and his his bio makes him try to sound like a regular guy because his his his his Twitter bio was, like, you know, family man, retired pizza delivery driver, you know, trying to make an impact on as many people as I can. And then it's, like, at

and his his bio makes him try to sound like a regular guy because his his his his Twitter bio was, like, you know, family man, retired pizza delivery driver, you know, trying to make an impact on as many people as I can. And then it's, like, at

03:31

cavs at Quicken Loans at whatever, like, these companies, like, yeah, he owns an NBA team and, like, a ten to thirty billion dollar company or whatever. And then I put a but the other side, it just puts up some random guy. I I had to snipe some some guy. It didn't mean nothing personal, but I just searched on Twitter Forbes Thunder into thirty, to see who would be putting that in their bio because that's the ultimate tell that you're trying too hard because, you know, we've talked about before. It doesn't mean shit.

cavs at Quicken Loans at whatever, like, these companies, like, yeah, he owns an NBA team and, like, a ten to thirty billion dollar company or whatever. And then I put a but the other side, it just puts up some random guy. I I had to snipe some some guy. It didn't mean nothing personal, but I just searched on Twitter Forbes Thunder into thirty, to see who would be putting that in their bio because that's the ultimate tell that you're trying too hard because, you know, we've talked about before. It doesn't mean shit.

03:57

And,

And,

03:58

I found this guy who was, like, investor entrepreneur

I found this guy who was, like, investor entrepreneur

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innovative philanthropist. Philanthropist.

innovative philanthropist. Philanthropist.

04:03

Exactly.

Exactly.

04:04

Forbes thirty under thirty finalists which people were just making fun of them. I'm like, dude, you weren't even four thirty. You were a finalist. You're like, what are the top thirty thousand people or something?

Forbes thirty under thirty finalists which people were just making fun of them. I'm like, dude, you weren't even four thirty. You were a finalist. You're like, what are the top thirty thousand people or something?

04:14

And then it's, like, you know, international speaker, renowned, you know, whatever. I can't pay that. And then he mentions, like, two companies that he's, like, you know, started or whatever. And nobody's ever heard of these companies. And so I said, on one side, you have a baller trying to act like like trying to counter signal that he's a regular guy. And on the other side, you have a regular guy trying to signal that he's a baller. And, you know, this is the the paradox of Twitter. The harder you try, the more you tell me that you're still trying. And, and you could see this across the board. There's, you know, a lot of people have no bio and the no bio

And then it's, like, you know, international speaker, renowned, you know, whatever. I can't pay that. And then he mentions, like, two companies that he's, like, you know, started or whatever. And nobody's ever heard of these companies. And so I said, on one side, you have a baller trying to act like like trying to counter signal that he's a regular guy. And on the other side, you have a regular guy trying to signal that he's a baller. And, you know, this is the the paradox of Twitter. The harder you try, the more you tell me that you're still trying. And, and you could see this across the board. There's, you know, a lot of people have no bio and the no bio

04:46

is, like, my name speaks for itself. You either know who I am or I don't care. I have achieved so much fame that I'm not trying to impress you. So, I think that's a pretty interesting tell. And and I like the the term that somebody pointed out for, which was signaling and counter signaling. They're actually both signaling.

is, like, my name speaks for itself. You either know who I am or I don't care. I have achieved so much fame that I'm not trying to impress you. So, I think that's a pretty interesting tell. And and I like the the term that somebody pointed out for, which was signaling and counter signaling. They're actually both signaling.

05:03

The rich guy's trying to signal. The the rich guy's trying to signal. I'm just like you. Don't mind me. Don't hate me. And then the other guys try to say, I'm bigger than I am, right, but both are both are signaling.

The rich guy's trying to signal. The the rich guy's trying to signal. I'm just like you. Don't mind me. Don't hate me. And then the other guys try to say, I'm bigger than I am, right, but both are both are signaling.

05:13

Oh, you wanna do some questions? Yeah. I'll stick. Alright. I'm gonna ask you a question. Alright. That people asked us.

Oh, you wanna do some questions? Yeah. I'll stick. Alright. I'm gonna ask you a question. Alright. That people asked us.

05:19

This is a funny question. I don't know if I want to answer this. We'll let you do it.

This is a funny question. I don't know if I want to answer this. We'll let you do it.

05:24

Oh, Dan compiled some. Alright, Dan, but let me ask one for

Oh, Dan compiled some. Alright, Dan, but let me ask one for

05:29

What's it like to be rich? Yeah. It's sweet.

What's it like to be rich? Yeah. It's sweet.

05:36

It's sweet because you don't have to worry about a bunch of things. And so, yeah, you it doesn't take away all your worries, but it takes away all your money worries. So if you've ever, like, you know, boom, you get hit with a, like,

It's sweet because you don't have to worry about a bunch of things. And so, yeah, you it doesn't take away all your worries, but it takes away all your money worries. So if you've ever, like, you know, boom, you get hit with a, like,

05:49

with my car was in an accident. It's like, oh, shit. I'm gonna have to pay, like, thousands of dollars to get this repaired.

with my car was in an accident. It's like, oh, shit. I'm gonna have to pay, like, thousands of dollars to get this repaired.

05:55

If I didn't have money lying around, that's a that that can ruin a day real quick. That can ruin a week real quick. That can ruin a month. And so, yeah, it's sweet to not have to have a certain set of worries,

If I didn't have money lying around, that's a that that can ruin a day real quick. That can ruin a week real quick. That can ruin a month. And so, yeah, it's sweet to not have to have a certain set of worries,

06:06

or things that just are downers.

or things that just are downers.

06:07

Do you have a number So we what's interesting is that, you know, there's this idea of having a number of like I'm ready to retire and like a lot of studies have been done and very like interestingly a lot of people will have a number that they're at. And then if you double it, that's what they, like, on average people say look. So if you have five million dollars, like, if I had ten, I'd be happy. Only I had ten. Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, I have ten, I'll find twenty, I'd be happy, which is always kind of funny. It's like three inches in height. Everybody wants three inches in height. Right. Do you did you have a number? Do you have a number?

Do you have a number So we what's interesting is that, you know, there's this idea of having a number of like I'm ready to retire and like a lot of studies have been done and very like interestingly a lot of people will have a number that they're at. And then if you double it, that's what they, like, on average people say look. So if you have five million dollars, like, if I had ten, I'd be happy. Only I had ten. Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, I have ten, I'll find twenty, I'd be happy, which is always kind of funny. It's like three inches in height. Everybody wants three inches in height. Right. Do you did you have a number? Do you have a number?

06:37

Yeah. I did. And then some people who were way past that were like, dude, that number is not enough.

Yeah. I did. And then some people who were way past that were like, dude, that number is not enough.

06:43

Yeah. Your number was six. I used to say six million. Because I'd done some calculations and I was like, oh, six six should do it where what I was trying to calculate was if I had six that was,

Yeah. Your number was six. I used to say six million. Because I'd done some calculations and I was like, oh, six six should do it where what I was trying to calculate was if I had six that was,

06:53

like, working for me. Six million invested.

like, working for me. Six million invested.

06:56

I was saying, okay, with x, you know, average annual return, does that cover my life burn, even if my life burn was twice what it is today?

I was saying, okay, with x, you know, average annual return, does that cover my life burn, even if my life burn was twice what it is today?

07:03

And,

And,

07:04

and people were like, yeah, but,

and people were like, yeah, but,

07:07

you know, that rate of return is a little bit, like, too optimistic

you know, that rate of return is a little bit, like, too optimistic

07:11

and your life burn is gonna go up more. You you just haven't really figured that out yet. Yeah. You know, the more money you have, the higher your life burn is gonna hard to really be disciplined about that. So do you have a number now?

and your life burn is gonna go up more. You you just haven't really figured that out yet. Yeah. You know, the more money you have, the higher your life burn is gonna hard to really be disciplined about that. So do you have a number now?

07:22

Yeah. So now I think the number is,

Yeah. So now I think the number is,

07:25

I don't know. I I think twenty is the number where

I don't know. I I think twenty is the number where

07:29

I would now have to, like, think of different ways that, like, why money matters.

I would now have to, like, think of different ways that, like, why money matters.

07:34

Why why my why more money would batter to me? Like, all the obvious things would be

Why why my why more money would batter to me? Like, all the obvious things would be

07:39

more than taken care of at twenty million.

more than taken care of at twenty million.

07:42

So what's funny is I've talked to about this as well and the people at twenty say the same thing. Forty, maybe at forty.

So what's funny is I've talked to about this as well and the people at twenty say the same thing. Forty, maybe at forty.

07:51

Maybe a forty. So I don't know when that when that stops. Because I used to pick one, and I used to think six. And then once you get there, you're like, okay. You're you're at six. Well,

Maybe a forty. So I don't know when that when that stops. Because I used to pick one, and I used to think six. And then once you get there, you're like, okay. You're you're at six. Well,

08:00

six. This is I'm not I can't stop here. Right? Twenty.

six. This is I'm not I can't stop here. Right? Twenty.

08:03

Maybe at and then maybe at twenty, I'll do the same thing. What do you think it is?

Maybe at and then maybe at twenty, I'll do the same thing. What do you think it is?

08:07

So I think it definitely, like,

So I think it definitely, like,

08:11

yeah fifteen to twenty, like if you have fifteen, twenty million dollars at a really young age, like you know, let's say thirty one.

yeah fifteen to twenty, like if you have fifteen, twenty million dollars at a really young age, like you know, let's say thirty one.

08:19

Like, it's you're set. It's hard.

Like, it's you're set. It's hard.

08:22

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could I could lose ten million and still have ten million.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could I could lose ten million and still have ten million.

08:27

So, like, it's hard to lose. Now, you're not flying private, but you're living a really nice life and you're never gonna work again. But here's the thing, guys, like, I don't know about you, but guys like me, even though I say I'm not gonna work anymore, I'm always gonna work. Yeah. And because work is play. So I have someone who could earn twenty million dollars at a young age. I think they're set regardless because they're always gonna be able to a very good point. Age, the age definitely matters because it's all about sort of how many years of compounding are you gonna get from there?

So, like, it's hard to lose. Now, you're not flying private, but you're living a really nice life and you're never gonna work again. But here's the thing, guys, like, I don't know about you, but guys like me, even though I say I'm not gonna work anymore, I'm always gonna work. Yeah. And because work is play. So I have someone who could earn twenty million dollars at a young age. I think they're set regardless because they're always gonna be able to a very good point. Age, the age definitely matters because it's all about sort of how many years of compounding are you gonna get from there?

08:57

So I think that's And I was doing the math Basically like at a seven and a half percent return. So, like, if you believe that the trailing hundred years is going to repeat itself for the next hundred years, then you can if you believe that that's that's to be true, then your money will double around not every nine years. So twenty at thirty becomes forty at

So I think that's And I was doing the math Basically like at a seven and a half percent return. So, like, if you believe that the trailing hundred years is going to repeat itself for the next hundred years, then you can if you believe that that's that's to be true, then your money will double around not every nine years. So twenty at thirty becomes forty at

09:17

forty, which becomes eighty at fifty, which becomes

forty, which becomes eighty at fifty, which becomes

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one sixty at sixty,

one sixty at sixty,

09:23

And that becomes a billion by the time you're ninety, which is kind of wild. How about now the question is like, well, when we're ninety, like, is a billion even gonna

And that becomes a billion by the time you're ninety, which is kind of wild. How about now the question is like, well, when we're ninety, like, is a billion even gonna

09:32

mean, you know, that much.

mean, you know, that much.

09:34

Who knows? But, like, that that growth is quite phenomenal, and that's really hard to grasp unless we put it in front of you. So getting

Who knows? But, like, that that growth is quite phenomenal, and that's really hard to grasp unless we put it in front of you. So getting

09:41

wealthy ish at a young age, I think, is very significant.

wealthy ish at a young age, I think, is very significant.

09:45

Yeah.

Yeah.

09:46

Yes. Okay. So that's I don't know. I feel like I gave kind of a generic answer, which was what's it like to be rich? I guess, like, I didn't what what I'm glad I didn't do was say, oh, you know, it's not as it's not as good as you think.

Yes. Okay. So that's I don't know. I feel like I gave kind of a generic answer, which was what's it like to be rich? I guess, like, I didn't what what I'm glad I didn't do was say, oh, you know, it's not as it's not as good as you think.

09:57

Which a lot of people will say. A lot of British people will say, you know, I thought it'd be great, but then I realized that, you know, what really matters It's like, yeah, dude. I know that family matters. Right? I'm asking what the rich part of the experience is like, you know, how's that how's that been for you? And,

Which a lot of people will say. A lot of British people will say, you know, I thought it'd be great, but then I realized that, you know, what really matters It's like, yeah, dude. I know that family matters. Right? I'm asking what the rich part of the experience is like, you know, how's that how's that been for you? And,

10:12

and I guess what I would say is, like, rich, whatever rich means to you, you know, the the main the main benefit from my perspective

and I guess what I would say is, like, rich, whatever rich means to you, you know, the the main the main benefit from my perspective

10:19

is that there are just certain things you don't have to concern yourself with or work or or worry about anymore.

is that there are just certain things you don't have to concern yourself with or work or or worry about anymore.

10:26

You know, the biggest being,

You know, the biggest being,

10:28

if I don't wanna work or I don't wanna go to this job, I can just not do that. I could do something else with my time. Right? Like, The money has freed up time. Time could be now invested in any activity you want. And that tends to be, like,

if I don't wanna work or I don't wanna go to this job, I can just not do that. I could do something else with my time. Right? Like, The money has freed up time. Time could be now invested in any activity you want. And that tends to be, like,

10:41

you're picking that now you're picking stuff you really enjoy or you think really makes an impact rather than, you know, something you have to do in order to pay next month's bill. Andrew asked outside of business. This is Andrew Wilson. What do you research and read about? I'll go first. I read a ton of history. I love American

you're picking that now you're picking stuff you really enjoy or you think really makes an impact rather than, you know, something you have to do in order to pay next month's bill. Andrew asked outside of business. This is Andrew Wilson. What do you research and read about? I'll go first. I read a ton of history. I love American

10:58

history jury starting in around eighteen sixty going all the way up to about nineteen

history jury starting in around eighteen sixty going all the way up to about nineteen

11:02

fifty.

fifty.

11:03

I think that's when crony capitalism kind of came to that kind of went away in all the regulations that came into place in America. It kind of came to be and a lot of interesting stuff was going on there. I also love reading and listening about the mafia I think what the mafia did is, like,

I think that's when crony capitalism kind of came to that kind of went away in all the regulations that came into place in America. It kind of came to be and a lot of interesting stuff was going on there. I also love reading and listening about the mafia I think what the mafia did is, like,

11:19

as American as Apple pie, like, it's so fascinating to me. So I read a ton of history, and I research a ton a ton of, or like early American stuff. So I like to go to museums and and look at old architecture from that era. Wow. We couldn't be more different. Alright. So outside of business, I would break it into three groups.

as American as Apple pie, like, it's so fascinating to me. So I read a ton of history, and I research a ton a ton of, or like early American stuff. So I like to go to museums and and look at old architecture from that era. Wow. We couldn't be more different. Alright. So outside of business, I would break it into three groups.

11:36

I study or research what the nerds are into right now. So anytime, you know,

I study or research what the nerds are into right now. So anytime, you know,

11:45

smart friends who are kind of like technically minded.

smart friends who are kind of like technically minded.

11:47

If they're into something,

If they're into something,

11:49

I it takes me probably five times longer than them just to understand that that new technology,

I it takes me probably five times longer than them just to understand that that new technology,

11:55

but, I put in that time because I like it. And,

but, I put in that time because I like it. And,

11:58

so, like, you know, somebody will mention something that, hey, you know,

so, like, you know, somebody will mention something that, hey, you know,

12:02

This AI thing, you know, is is now able to predict protein folding. And I'll be like protein folding

This AI thing, you know, is is now able to predict protein folding. And I'll be like protein folding

12:08

I don't know what the fuck proteins fold for. What's protein folding all about? What have people tried before? How do they even get this to work? What is actually machine learning? What how does that work? You know, like, and so I try to try to basically study what the nerds study. That's one. Two is more of, like, the unwinding, which is sports. I'm like, me deep in basketball,

I don't know what the fuck proteins fold for. What's protein folding all about? What have people tried before? How do they even get this to work? What is actually machine learning? What how does that work? You know, like, and so I try to try to basically study what the nerds study. That's one. Two is more of, like, the unwinding, which is sports. I'm like, me deep in basketball,

12:28

you know, stuff. So I like to follow all the story lines, stats, you know, that sort of thing. And then the last one that I would say is self help or some kind of, like, mindset. So I think that,

you know, stuff. So I like to follow all the story lines, stats, you know, that sort of thing. And then the last one that I would say is self help or some kind of, like, mindset. So I think that,

12:40

you know, people probably at this point. If you listen to this podcast, you know that

you know, people probably at this point. If you listen to this podcast, you know that

12:44

more than anything, I'm a believer that if you can master your mind, you've won the game, and I think that that's the hardest partest thing to master is your mind, and I wanna read all the different ways people do that and try them in self experiment, and then go back and research more. So that's the third thing I do.

more than anything, I'm a believer that if you can master your mind, you've won the game, and I think that that's the hardest partest thing to master is your mind, and I wanna read all the different ways people do that and try them in self experiment, and then go back and research more. So that's the third thing I do.

13:01

How did success influence or change the dynamics of your romantic relationships? That's a good question. But we both have been, from Julie. Julie

How did success influence or change the dynamics of your romantic relationships? That's a good question. But we both have been, from Julie. Julie

13:10

Davila?

Davila?

13:12

Yes. Julie had that was a good question. Best question so far. So I was I met my wife right when I started my company. And

Yes. Julie had that was a good question. Best question so far. So I was I met my wife right when I started my company. And

13:20

before that, I dated a ton. I I was I was Okay. Big dog. I was I'm not saying it was successful.

before that, I dated a ton. I I was I was Okay. Big dog. I was I'm not saying it was successful.

13:29

Let me change that. I tried to date a time.

Let me change that. I tried to date a time.

13:32

Yeah.

Yeah.

13:34

So I tried to I I liked women. It didn't always work, but,

So I tried to I I liked women. It didn't always work, but,

13:38

I prefer being in a relationship.

I prefer being in a relationship.

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Being successful has been cool with my wife because it feel because we are manage our success together and like I think for both of us, our wives were successful before we were. Yeah. My wife yeah. We're at least way more liquid. That's They made they made more money faster than we than we did. I'll say it. I mean, she my wife was a self made liquid millionaire before I was. Right.

Being successful has been cool with my wife because it feel because we are manage our success together and like I think for both of us, our wives were successful before we were. Yeah. My wife yeah. We're at least way more liquid. That's They made they made more money faster than we than we did. I'll say it. I mean, she my wife was a self made liquid millionaire before I was. Right.

14:03

Yeah. I think the same same is true for me. So So that was,

Yeah. I think the same same is true for me. So So that was,

14:07

that's the first part. Like, you know, how would it's really, you know, how was success for them? It was just a real question.

that's the first part. Like, you know, how would it's really, you know, how was success for them? It was just a real question.

14:15

Marrying this broke, you know, broke entrepreneur who keeps trying to say he's he's living the big dream, but, you know, where's the where's the success for, like, you know, it's five years. That that's the first question. So, yeah, when I dated Sarah, her mom was like, so does he and her parents are entrepreneurs, they kinda got it, but like, does he have a job? Like, well, no, he's gonna start this conference thing. Or does he work? Well, he can he works on his laptop. He can work anywhere and they didn't get it. And so my first year I made like

Marrying this broke, you know, broke entrepreneur who keeps trying to say he's he's living the big dream, but, you know, where's the where's the success for, like, you know, it's five years. That that's the first question. So, yeah, when I dated Sarah, her mom was like, so does he and her parents are entrepreneurs, they kinda got it, but like, does he have a job? Like, well, no, he's gonna start this conference thing. Or does he work? Well, he can he works on his laptop. He can work anywhere and they didn't get it. And so my first year I made like

14:41

twenty grand and then like fifty grand. Well, like, he's a wedding planner, I think. Yeah. Like, so anyway, like,

twenty grand and then like fifty grand. Well, like, he's a wedding planner, I think. Yeah. Like, so anyway, like,

14:47

my wife had a full time job and she was probably making six figures straight out of college two hundred and I believe school and went to Facebook.

my wife had a full time job and she was probably making six figures straight out of college two hundred and I believe school and went to Facebook.

14:53

Anyway, how how has it changed the dynamics?

Anyway, how how has it changed the dynamics?

14:56

It's made it my opinion way better. I did you got we do all of our finances together. We meet once a week and we go You do the same thing. When I started when I started dating my wife, she,

It's made it my opinion way better. I did you got we do all of our finances together. We meet once a week and we go You do the same thing. When I started when I started dating my wife, she,

15:05

she had just bought her first house. She was driving a BMW m three sport

she had just bought her first house. She was driving a BMW m three sport

15:10

I was living under my parents' house in a, like, they had, like, an un unpermitted in law unit that I lived in with my my best friend from high school who lived there with me. And,

I was living under my parents' house in a, like, they had, like, an un unpermitted in law unit that I lived in with my my best friend from high school who lived there with me. And,

15:22

you know,

you know,

15:23

that's where that's where I was. He didn't have a car, didn't have a house,

that's where that's where I was. He didn't have a car, didn't have a house,

15:27

I had a job. I had a good job, I guess. But,

I had a job. I had a good job, I guess. But,

15:30

yeah, that's that's how we were when you met. And then, you know, great. What does he do? He's the CEO of a startup. Okay. So, you know, it's virtually virtually unemployed. You know, like, on the brink of unemployment, essentially, was the was the situation.

yeah, that's that's how we were when you met. And then, you know, great. What does he do? He's the CEO of a startup. Okay. So, you know, it's virtually virtually unemployed. You know, like, on the brink of unemployment, essentially, was the was the situation.

15:44

I'll I'll say one thing which is as, you know, as good things started to happen, so it got got promoted from, like, a product manager to CEO of, like, the company.

I'll I'll say one thing which is as, you know, as good things started to happen, so it got got promoted from, like, a product manager to CEO of, like, the company.

15:54

And then from CEO to, like, you know, investing and then selling the company and all that stuff, there was definitely a period where I got a little cocky, where

And then from CEO to, like, you know, investing and then selling the company and all that stuff, there was definitely a period where I got a little cocky, where

16:03

Not intentionally, but I looked back now and I'm like, I I was kind of kind of being a dick. I sort of thought

Not intentionally, but I looked back now and I'm like, I I was kind of kind of being a dick. I sort of thought

16:09

all these people I hang out with that are, like, you know, super successful. I felt like they they didn't have to deal with any of the bullshit at home that I was dealing with. It's like, okay. Yeah. I gotta take out the trash. You know, does my investor take out the trash? I don't know. Maybe he's got somebody takes out the trash for him. Right? Like, oh, I have to, you know, wake up at, like, right now, I wake up at the morning at seven o'clock and from seven to ten AM.

all these people I hang out with that are, like, you know, super successful. I felt like they they didn't have to deal with any of the bullshit at home that I was dealing with. It's like, okay. Yeah. I gotta take out the trash. You know, does my investor take out the trash? I don't know. Maybe he's got somebody takes out the trash for him. Right? Like, oh, I have to, you know, wake up at, like, right now, I wake up at the morning at seven o'clock and from seven to ten AM.

16:29

You know, I'm on daddy duty, take care of the baby. And I was sort of, like, don't are we supposed to have, like, nannies for this? Right? I was, like, very, spoiled in that sense, and I thought Well, no. I'm the, like, successful working guy. Right? So, like, I don't have to do these, like, normal things. And so that was my, like, entitlement to myself.

You know, I'm on daddy duty, take care of the baby. And I was sort of, like, don't are we supposed to have, like, nannies for this? Right? I was, like, very, spoiled in that sense, and I thought Well, no. I'm the, like, successful working guy. Right? So, like, I don't have to do these, like, normal things. And so that was my, like, entitlement to myself.

16:48

And then I realized two things. One is,

And then I realized two things. One is,

16:51

yeah, those guys do that too. That's, you know, a lot of the people that I was talking about that I admire. They did all the two. They just didn't complain about it, like a little bitch. And then the second thing was that they,

yeah, those guys do that too. That's, you know, a lot of the people that I was talking about that I admire. They did all the two. They just didn't complain about it, like a little bitch. And then the second thing was that they,

17:00

that, like, who cares? Like, do whatever, do whatever works for you and your family and, like, stop being

that, like, who cares? Like, do whatever, do whatever works for you and your family and, like, stop being

17:07

stop holding your time as more valuable

stop holding your time as more valuable

17:10

than my wife's time or that my kid's time or my dog's time or anybody else. I I used to your talks time. I used to think my time was the most precious, and now I don't. Now I'm sort of like, you know, it's our time. We gotta use it how we want.

than my wife's time or that my kid's time or my dog's time or anybody else. I I used to your talks time. I used to think my time was the most precious, and now I don't. Now I'm sort of like, you know, it's our time. We gotta use it how we want.

17:23

Do you I I think it's cool. We're both married. I think it's cool to have this like team mentality, you know, when my wife and I so

Do you I I think it's cool. We're both married. I think it's cool to have this like team mentality, you know, when my wife and I so

17:31

I were both Catholic and even though we don't practice anything, I was like we have to get married at a Catholic church. It was important to me. And what that means is you gotta meet with the priest he was like, so why are you getting married? And and we were like, well, we have similar values in life. We have the same goals. We just we both want to take over everything. We want to have children and raise them in a particular type of way. We want to share our assets and pull together and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I were both Catholic and even though we don't practice anything, I was like we have to get married at a Catholic church. It was important to me. And what that means is you gotta meet with the priest he was like, so why are you getting married? And and we were like, well, we have similar values in life. We have the same goals. We just we both want to take over everything. We want to have children and raise them in a particular type of way. We want to share our assets and pull together and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

17:54

What about love? You guys love each other? And we're like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That too.

What about love? You guys love each other? And we're like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That too.

17:59

And so, like, for us, it was definitely we definitely love each other, but also there was, like, an emotional partnership. Yeah. It's like it's very this is a very practical way to like live go through life. Like it's very it's easier for one another when you have someone that whose family you can count on them no matter what they're gonna have your back So anyway, I've enjoyed,

And so, like, for us, it was definitely we definitely love each other, but also there was, like, an emotional partnership. Yeah. It's like it's very this is a very practical way to like live go through life. Like it's very it's easier for one another when you have someone that whose family you can count on them no matter what they're gonna have your back So anyway, I've enjoyed,

18:15

having a little bit of success

having a little bit of success

18:17

while being,

while being,

18:18

married. If you're single, I guess the pros could be like you could just, like, full round with people way out of your league, but I do think that it would be exhausting and actually probably not as fulfilling, but maybe more fun.

married. If you're single, I guess the pros could be like you could just, like, full round with people way out of your league, but I do think that it would be exhausting and actually probably not as fulfilling, but maybe more fun.

18:30

Man, I look back now when I used I was single, you know, I was twenty five years old. Single

Man, I look back now when I used I was single, you know, I was twenty five years old. Single

18:35

didn't own a position in the world, and I was managing a bunch of people who were ten, twenty years older than me, had kids, had families, had mortgages, had all the stuff.

didn't own a position in the world, and I was managing a bunch of people who were ten, twenty years older than me, had kids, had families, had mortgages, had all the stuff.

18:44

And I thought at the time I was being super understanding about it, And now when I look back, I'm like, oh my god. I was such a idiot. Like, I just didn't understand how how

And I thought at the time I was being super understanding about it, And now when I look back, I'm like, oh my god. I was such a idiot. Like, I just didn't understand how how

18:56

hard it is for these people to give this much to a startup.

hard it is for these people to give this much to a startup.

19:00

When they have all these responsibilities and obligations at home, And I was, you know, just a free bird, twenty five years old, and, you know, I could piss my time away. It didn't matter. And, like, for these people, that extra one hour they were at work was now threw off the whole dinner time bedtime schedule for them, their kids, their wife, you know, like, all this stuff. And so I just look back now and I've I, you know, I apologize to anybody who worked with them. Because I didn't truly understand. I thought, you know, this hustle culture was the was the right answer then, and now, and I didn't realize how much they were already giving.

When they have all these responsibilities and obligations at home, And I was, you know, just a free bird, twenty five years old, and, you know, I could piss my time away. It didn't matter. And, like, for these people, that extra one hour they were at work was now threw off the whole dinner time bedtime schedule for them, their kids, their wife, you know, like, all this stuff. And so I just look back now and I've I, you know, I apologize to anybody who worked with them. Because I didn't truly understand. I thought, you know, this hustle culture was the was the right answer then, and now, and I didn't realize how much they were already giving.

19:30

And I always wanted more.

And I always wanted more.

19:32

What, here, let's do two more.

What, here, let's do two more.

19:35

What pandemic behavior do you wanna maintain?

What pandemic behavior do you wanna maintain?

19:41

Yeah. Basically, the last year was, you know,

Yeah. Basically, the last year was, you know,

19:44

it sounds insensitive. So

it sounds insensitive. So

19:46

whatever. Maybe that's that's the case. But last year was the best year of my life.

whatever. Maybe that's that's the case. But last year was the best year of my life.

19:52

Same. You know, I had a blast a whole bunch of life events happen. Right? I had a kid. I became a dad and, you know, but I this is everything. I I grew up my hair. I built a home gym. I started working out regularly. I, you know,

Same. You know, I had a blast a whole bunch of life events happen. Right? I had a kid. I became a dad and, you know, but I this is everything. I I grew up my hair. I built a home gym. I started working out regularly. I, you know,

20:04

you know, I'm working from home, so I just had way more time with my family, with my wife, than when I was commuting every day and was at the office all day.

you know, I'm working from home, so I just had way more time with my family, with my wife, than when I was commuting every day and was at the office all day.

20:13

You know, this podcast has been a lot of fun. This has been, like, ten amazing things that happened this year that made this year literally the best year of my life. So

You know, this podcast has been a lot of fun. This has been, like, ten amazing things that happened this year that made this year literally the best year of my life. So

20:22

in terms of pandemic behavior, I would say, I definitely don't like getting close to people and shaking their hands anyway. So, you know, good. I'm just gonna keep keep not doing that. But I would say, like, the home gym,

in terms of pandemic behavior, I would say, I definitely don't like getting close to people and shaking their hands anyway. So, you know, good. I'm just gonna keep keep not doing that. But I would say, like, the home gym,

20:33

daily workout at one PM is

daily workout at one PM is

20:36

definitely the behavior I need to, like, keep going with.

definitely the behavior I need to, like, keep going with.

20:39

I agree. I've I've gotten in wonderful shape throughout this and, that's the one I'm gonna maintain. Yeah. Alright, last one maybe.

I agree. I've I've gotten in wonderful shape throughout this and, that's the one I'm gonna maintain. Yeah. Alright, last one maybe.

20:48

I'm curious about this favorite purchase one.

I'm curious about this favorite purchase one.

20:51

Alright.

Alright.

20:54

Okay. Let's do let's do three of these. Let's do,

Okay. Let's do let's do three of these. Let's do,

20:58

If you were twenty one again, what would you be doing? I can't stand that question, but I'll answer it. Yeah. What is it? If I was twenty one now in two thousand twenty one,

If you were twenty one again, what would you be doing? I can't stand that question, but I'll answer it. Yeah. What is it? If I was twenty one now in two thousand twenty one,

21:07

I don't.

I don't.

21:09

I don't know. What would let me think. What would you be? What would you do?

I don't know. What would let me think. What would you be? What would you do?

21:13

I think I would go on tour

I think I would go on tour

21:16

with in the most, like, interesting spaces with the most interesting people. So I think what I would do is I would say, hey, I'm a hired gun.

with in the most, like, interesting spaces with the most interesting people. So I think what I would do is I would say, hey, I'm a hired gun.

21:24

You pay me

You pay me

21:26

whatever. Pay me

whatever. Pay me

21:28

five k a month, ten k a month, something like that.

five k a month, ten k a month, something like that.

21:31

Flat fee,

Flat fee,

21:32

I'm gonna come work my ass off for you,

I'm gonna come work my ass off for you,

21:35

for three months.

for three months.

21:36

If I love it, I'll stay on. But by default,

If I love it, I'll stay on. But by default,

21:39

you're gonna get just like somebody unbelievable. Just right hand man to to deal with any headaches or problems you have, and you'll never see somebody, you know, work harder and smarter if at figuring shit out than me. And I would pick basically, like, four or five people that I thought were amazing.

you're gonna get just like somebody unbelievable. Just right hand man to to deal with any headaches or problems you have, and you'll never see somebody, you know, work harder and smarter if at figuring shit out than me. And I would pick basically, like, four or five people that I thought were amazing.

21:56

That were doing things in interesting field, doing interesting projects, and I would pitch that to them. And I would if they said no, I would find the next five people, and I would just I would go on tours. I would what I I would treat twenty I would treat work like I would treat I would treat,

That were doing things in interesting field, doing interesting projects, and I would pitch that to them. And I would if they said no, I would find the next five people, and I would just I would go on tours. I would what I I would treat twenty I would treat work like I would treat I would treat,

22:11

like marriage in the sense that I would focus on dating figuring having fun, figuring out what I love what I like, figuring out what likes me.

like marriage in the sense that I would focus on dating figuring having fun, figuring out what I love what I like, figuring out what likes me.

22:19

And, I would be in no rush to, like, find the project or start the company or, like, pick a career,

And, I would be in no rush to, like, find the project or start the company or, like, pick a career,

22:25

I would say, cool. I'm gonna go on I'm gonna have these these little three month relationships

I would say, cool. I'm gonna go on I'm gonna have these these little three month relationships

22:30

with badass people and bad ass faces. And,

with badass people and bad ass faces. And,

22:34

you know, just pull I commit to doing that for two years, and then I'll figure it out after that. Like, that'll be my Mormon mission.

you know, just pull I commit to doing that for two years, and then I'll figure it out after that. Like, that'll be my Mormon mission.

22:40

I would probably

I would probably

22:42

my goal at twenty one would be how to become a mhmm liquid millionaire by twenty five. And then after twenty five, I could dedicate a little bit more time to like a big purpose.

my goal at twenty one would be how to become a mhmm liquid millionaire by twenty five. And then after twenty five, I could dedicate a little bit more time to like a big purpose.

22:50

Or how do I create cash flow? And so I think I would want to start a blog or something like that and try to sell it,

Or how do I create cash flow? And so I think I would want to start a blog or something like that and try to sell it,

22:57

in the next two or three years. I would I would not try to do that because,

in the next two or three years. I would I would not try to do that because,

23:03

I think that,

I think that,

23:04

you know, if we're measuring the score on, like, a I don't know, ten year period or twenty year period,

you know, if we're measuring the score on, like, a I don't know, ten year period or twenty year period,

23:10

then I think I would get more value by

then I think I would get more value by

23:13

being at the cutting edge of certain spaces, certain industries

being at the cutting edge of certain spaces, certain industries

23:16

and being

and being

23:17

seeing what, like,

seeing what, like,

23:19

like, a plus plus players are like when I work with them and earning their trust, I think that's a lot more valuable. Alright. Last question. Best purchase over two grand and under one hundred dollars. Over two grand for me.

like, a plus plus players are like when I work with them and earning their trust, I think that's a lot more valuable. Alright. Last question. Best purchase over two grand and under one hundred dollars. Over two grand for me.

23:32

Gotta be,

Gotta be,

23:34

This rowing machine that I bought for about two thousand dollars, it's called Ergada.

This rowing machine that I bought for about two thousand dollars, it's called Ergada.

23:39

I'm obsessed with it. Or I bought a pretty nice mercedes. That's really fast. I go on drives every morning in in the afternoon, and it just makes me happy. For under a hundred dollars,

I'm obsessed with it. Or I bought a pretty nice mercedes. That's really fast. I go on drives every morning in in the afternoon, and it just makes me happy. For under a hundred dollars,

23:54

under,

under,

23:54

I don't know.

I don't know.

23:57

I I have to think. What about you?

I I have to think. What about you?

23:59

I would say this camera that I'm using right now,

I would say this camera that I'm using right now,

24:03

because when the whole world went remote,

because when the whole world went remote,

24:05

everything's done over video.

everything's done over video.

24:08

And

And

24:09

Yeah. I I used to just use like a Mac air. Mac air laptop makes you look like, you know, an actual, like, prisoner of war in Uganda.

Yeah. I I used to just use like a Mac air. Mac air laptop makes you look like, you know, an actual, like, prisoner of war in Uganda.

24:17

When you go on a video call. And so,

When you go on a video call. And so,

24:20

this having a dope camera

this having a dope camera

24:22

is great for the pod, but it's great for every single meeting. I feel like I feel like I'm putting my best forward and, I look great. I feel great. I think the other person, you know, treats you differently depending on how you show up. And so I think this one camera is like the equivalent of buying, you know, a closet full of ten thousand dollars suit. You know, and without any of the headache of, like, wearing a suit. So that was And my my under a hundred dollars is an arrow press. I love my arrow press. What does it? That's a coffee thing? It's a coffee coffee thing. It's like, it makes individual cups coffee is badass. I use it all the time.

is great for the pod, but it's great for every single meeting. I feel like I feel like I'm putting my best forward and, I look great. I feel great. I think the other person, you know, treats you differently depending on how you show up. And so I think this one camera is like the equivalent of buying, you know, a closet full of ten thousand dollars suit. You know, and without any of the headache of, like, wearing a suit. So that was And my my under a hundred dollars is an arrow press. I love my arrow press. What does it? That's a coffee thing? It's a coffee coffee thing. It's like, it makes individual cups coffee is badass. I use it all the time.

24:57

Under a hundred dollars. Okay. I got this for free from Jack Smith. Jack gave me his Thera gun, and I fucking love the Thera gun.

Under a hundred dollars. Okay. I got this for free from Jack Smith. Jack gave me his Thera gun, and I fucking love the Thera gun.

25:04

He gave it to you? Yeah. He had, like, an old one or something like that. He he he got a new one or I don't know what I don't know why he was there. I had to go buy a knock off on Amazon. Yeah. That's what I was gonna do. And actually, then he messaged me and was like, hey, I have one. I'll send it to you. And I was like, oh, I'll buy it. And he's like, no. No. Just put your address. I'll send it to you. And I was, Jack. Good guy. And now I told I sent him a message. I was like, dude, I use this thing every night. I think of you every night because I'm like, I love this gun. Love Jack for giving me this gun. This thing is amazing.

He gave it to you? Yeah. He had, like, an old one or something like that. He he he got a new one or I don't know what I don't know why he was there. I had to go buy a knock off on Amazon. Yeah. That's what I was gonna do. And actually, then he messaged me and was like, hey, I have one. I'll send it to you. And I was like, oh, I'll buy it. And he's like, no. No. Just put your address. I'll send it to you. And I was, Jack. Good guy. And now I told I sent him a message. I was like, dude, I use this thing every night. I think of you every night because I'm like, I love this gun. Love Jack for giving me this gun. This thing is amazing.

25:32

Do you want,

Do you want,

25:33

do you want an update on some numbers? Yeah.

do you want an update on some numbers? Yeah.

25:36

So this month,

So this month,

25:38

May, May is over now, but in May, we're doing a podcast push. So we got about six hundred and thirty thousand listens

May, May is over now, but in May, we're doing a podcast push. So we got about six hundred and thirty thousand listens

25:46

that was the number.

that was the number.

25:47

We were,

We were,

25:49

To put that in perspective, that's plus, I think, four thirty nine percent month over month. And So that's

To put that in perspective, that's plus, I think, four thirty nine percent month over month. And So that's

25:55

forty percent

forty percent

25:57

month from April to May and then

month from April to May and then

26:00

the month before April March March to April was a thirty percent and then the month before was also a thirty that. Right. So basically, since you started saying, I'm gonna focus on growth, this thing started growing between thirty and forty percent month per month. We've doubled in the time that you said it. I remember we were at three hundred something thousand. Then now we're at six hundred something thousand. Yeah. Downloads per month. Now I don't think I think June might be stable.

the month before April March March to April was a thirty percent and then the month before was also a thirty that. Right. So basically, since you started saying, I'm gonna focus on growth, this thing started growing between thirty and forty percent month per month. We've doubled in the time that you said it. I remember we were at three hundred something thousand. Then now we're at six hundred something thousand. Yeah. Downloads per month. Now I don't think I think June might be stable.

26:22

The reason why is because I don't think people are gonna be listening as much. I saw a distinct drop

The reason why is because I don't think people are gonna be listening as much. I saw a distinct drop

26:28

on Monday. Like, Mondays, we normally have thirty thousand listeners. This Monday was eighteen thousand. Right. So I think I think we might hit a little trophicile, but that's okay. We had a note to expect that, but we're gonna keep grinding. But I think that we're gonna hit a million soon and here's some more stats. Our top rating, we are number eight in iTunes and in Spotify in the business category, which is pretty good. Number eight. Number eight. Wow.

on Monday. Like, Mondays, we normally have thirty thousand listeners. This Monday was eighteen thousand. Right. So I think I think we might hit a little trophicile, but that's okay. We had a note to expect that, but we're gonna keep grinding. But I think that we're gonna hit a million soon and here's some more stats. Our top rating, we are number eight in iTunes and in Spotify in the business category, which is pretty good. Number eight. Number eight. Wow.

26:52

We are in number eight still right now on Spotify. And for some reason,

We are in number eight still right now on Spotify. And for some reason,

26:56

We were number one in Britain in the investing category. I have no idea why.

We were number one in Britain in the investing category. I have no idea why.

27:02

But

But

27:03

that's the updated number. I'm pretty proud. I think you should be proud too.

that's the updated number. I'm pretty proud. I think you should be proud too.

27:07

A few things that people loved. Trung's thing was amazing. People loved his. Your short ones people loved.

A few things that people loved. Trung's thing was amazing. People loved his. Your short ones people loved.

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You did one today on But that was June. But, yeah, people liked it so far, I think. Yeah.

You did one today on But that was June. But, yeah, people liked it so far, I think. Yeah.

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I I'm gonna I'm I'm posting that on YouTube but I'm because it's like my story, I'm gonna put that on my YouTube. I think I deserve that. And

I I'm gonna I'm I'm posting that on YouTube but I'm because it's like my story, I'm gonna put that on my YouTube. I think I deserve that. And

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I I think that

I I think that

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that's gonna go viral. But,

that's gonna go viral. But,

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the numbers are good. We grew a lot. It's working. I think the best thing you said was

the numbers are good. We grew a lot. It's working. I think the best thing you said was

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to there will be a plateau whether it's this month or the next month, there's always a plateau.

to there will be a plateau whether it's this month or the next month, there's always a plateau.

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And I've talked about this before, which was one of the biggest

And I've talked about this before, which was one of the biggest

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lessons learned as a as somebody trying to build shit is that these plateaus happen, you should, you know, I used to

lessons learned as a as somebody trying to build shit is that these plateaus happen, you should, you know, I used to

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think Oh, plateau means the, you know, the world is the the sky is falling. This isn't working.

think Oh, plateau means the, you know, the world is the the sky is falling. This isn't working.

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You know, change everything. No. Blah, blah, blah, and it's like, no. The, you know, The Dabbler

You know, change everything. No. Blah, blah, blah, and it's like, no. The, you know, The Dabbler

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quits and goes and does a different thing. The stressor gets freaked out by the plateau. It thinks that they did something wrong and takes it personally. And the master says, oh, there you are. I thought I thought you'd be here soon. Hello, and then sort of dances with the plateaus and figures out how to get to the next level I think we're gonna probably plateau somewhere here in the six to seven hundred thousands per month before we shoot through the million per month. And I was working with my wife yesterday. She wants to launch a course. You're you've inspired her, Sean, and she was all excited to start this thing. She's been talking for months. It's a great idea. And yesterday, she was like, halfway through recording the content and everything. And she was like, I feel horrible. I'm like, ah, you're there. Right. Right. You're there. I'm like, four percent mark. Yes. Yes. And I, like, I talked to her and I was teasing with her, but I was like, Sarah, do you know why I'm good at what I do? Is because I know that that is normal and I keep going. And do you know why most people are not,

quits and goes and does a different thing. The stressor gets freaked out by the plateau. It thinks that they did something wrong and takes it personally. And the master says, oh, there you are. I thought I thought you'd be here soon. Hello, and then sort of dances with the plateaus and figures out how to get to the next level I think we're gonna probably plateau somewhere here in the six to seven hundred thousands per month before we shoot through the million per month. And I was working with my wife yesterday. She wants to launch a course. You're you've inspired her, Sean, and she was all excited to start this thing. She's been talking for months. It's a great idea. And yesterday, she was like, halfway through recording the content and everything. And she was like, I feel horrible. I'm like, ah, you're there. Right. Right. You're there. I'm like, four percent mark. Yes. Yes. And I, like, I talked to her and I was teasing with her, but I was like, Sarah, do you know why I'm good at what I do? Is because I know that that is normal and I keep going. And do you know why most people are not,

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what who they wanna be? Is that's where they stop. Right. But so what you have to know is that point where you you start high and then you get to the low when you're a little bit into it, you have to a recognize that's very normal. That is incredibly normal. And then you keep going. Just like if you're exercising, you're like, oh, I'm starting to sweat. I'm starting to sweat. It's like, oh, okay. That's normal. That's part of it. Now you gotta keep going. Go ahead. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. If you if you put down the the the butt, you know, the the dumbbell every time your muscle started to burn, would never you'd never grow. Right? Because the burn is right where it starts, you know, the the growth starts. And so I think for pre launch,

what who they wanna be? Is that's where they stop. Right. But so what you have to know is that point where you you start high and then you get to the low when you're a little bit into it, you have to a recognize that's very normal. That is incredibly normal. And then you keep going. Just like if you're exercising, you're like, oh, I'm starting to sweat. I'm starting to sweat. It's like, oh, okay. That's normal. That's part of it. Now you gotta keep going. Go ahead. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. If you if you put down the the the butt, you know, the the dumbbell every time your muscle started to burn, would never you'd never grow. Right? Because the burn is right where it starts, you know, the the growth starts. And so I think for pre launch,

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there's three points everybody hits that the first time you hit them, you react pretty poorly typically.

there's three points everybody hits that the first time you hit them, you react pretty poorly typically.

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The first is the overthinking phase, that's before you get started.

The first is the overthinking phase, that's before you get started.

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The second is the fuck. This is the the the the the despair. This is never gonna work. This sucks. The thing I was so excited about now that I'm doing it, and it's harder than I thought,

The second is the fuck. This is the the the the the despair. This is never gonna work. This sucks. The thing I was so excited about now that I'm doing it, and it's harder than I thought,

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is this ever gonna be good? That's where your wife's at right now. Yeah. And then there's the last bit when you're at the ninety percent mark and the perfectionist comes out and says, no. No. No. No. No. It's not good enough yet. People aren't gonna like this. It's not gonna work. And you're actually at the ninety, ninety five percent mark. And the perfectionist wants to pull you back to fifty percent and say, no. No. No. We need to do all this other stuff before we go out there. So I think those three points, overthinking,

is this ever gonna be good? That's where your wife's at right now. Yeah. And then there's the last bit when you're at the ninety percent mark and the perfectionist comes out and says, no. No. No. No. No. It's not good enough yet. People aren't gonna like this. It's not gonna work. And you're actually at the ninety, ninety five percent mark. And the perfectionist wants to pull you back to fifty percent and say, no. No. No. We need to do all this other stuff before we go out there. So I think those three points, overthinking,

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then the point of despair, and then the,

then the point of despair, and then the,

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the perfectionist point, they happen pre launch of every project.

the perfectionist point, they happen pre launch of every project.

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Yes. So it's very normal. So let's talk about a couple ideas, which I think you're gonna you you've got some stuff. Yeah. By the way, also, the line shows are happening. I guess by the time this gets released, they'll have already happened. So,

Yes. So it's very normal. So let's talk about a couple ideas, which I think you're gonna you you've got some stuff. Yeah. By the way, also, the line shows are happening. I guess by the time this gets released, they'll have already happened. So,

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you know, whatever. But after this, like, literally might have to cut this ten minutes short because I gotta pack my bag. I'm coming to your house in Austin, and then we're going to Miami. It's gonna be awesome. Can I just say that I think this is gonna be a game changer for us? I think that we're gonna see it's gonna be fun to see these excited people. You know, it's crazy. Sean and I like plan to do this two weeks ago or we have been talking about it. And then one day he texted me, he goes, do you wanna go to Miami for this time? And we were gonna go to crash someone's event I don't even know, but we just said, fuck it. Yeah. And done. It's subtle. Like, we did it over at text, and then we got everyone rallied around it. And

you know, whatever. But after this, like, literally might have to cut this ten minutes short because I gotta pack my bag. I'm coming to your house in Austin, and then we're going to Miami. It's gonna be awesome. Can I just say that I think this is gonna be a game changer for us? I think that we're gonna see it's gonna be fun to see these excited people. You know, it's crazy. Sean and I like plan to do this two weeks ago or we have been talking about it. And then one day he texted me, he goes, do you wanna go to Miami for this time? And we were gonna go to crash someone's event I don't even know, but we just said, fuck it. Yeah. And done. It's subtle. Like, we did it over at text, and then we got everyone rallied around it. And

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I think a hundred people ish are gonna come to the Austin one and that I think we're at five hundred for Miami and it wasn't until today that I thought and we're speaking tomorrow. So recording this on a Wednesday, but you're hearing it on Friday. We're it wasn't until just now.

I think a hundred people ish are gonna come to the Austin one and that I think we're at five hundred for Miami and it wasn't until today that I thought and we're speaking tomorrow. So recording this on a Wednesday, but you're hearing it on Friday. We're it wasn't until just now.

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When I write for the podcast, I told Dan what to do, but I was like, Oh, I guess we have to figure out what we're gonna say. Right. What are we even gonna talk about? And so I I told Dan, I go, Dan, send out a Google form to all the attendees and just have three things. What look what city you're in.

When I write for the podcast, I told Dan what to do, but I was like, Oh, I guess we have to figure out what we're gonna say. Right. What are we even gonna talk about? And so I I told Dan, I go, Dan, send out a Google form to all the attendees and just have three things. What look what city you're in.

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What question you want answered

What question you want answered

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and what your first name is. And then we'll just like see the trends of questions and then maybe we can just rattle the I think you told me that you. And and and we'll just rattle that off. But, yeah, it's cool, man. You know, like, what if this this sounds so lame because there's just internet nerds like you and me, but what if, like, me. Oh, and Jack Putzer's coming now. What if, like, me, you, and Jack and Andrew, and all these, like,

and what your first name is. And then we'll just like see the trends of questions and then maybe we can just rattle the I think you told me that you. And and and we'll just rattle that off. But, yeah, it's cool, man. You know, like, what if this this sounds so lame because there's just internet nerds like you and me, but what if, like, me. Oh, and Jack Putzer's coming now. What if, like, me, you, and Jack and Andrew, and all these, like,

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like, these losers online

like, these losers online

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Yeah. If we have, like, a dirt on tour, I'm pretty sure we could get, like, ten thousand people to come to each one. Yeah. Yeah. I think nerves on tour is a cool idea. I think we should just do it.

Yeah. If we have, like, a dirt on tour, I'm pretty sure we could get, like, ten thousand people to come to each one. Yeah. Yeah. I think nerves on tour is a cool idea. I think we should just do it.

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Maybe, you know, early next year, we we do we go nerds on tour. That's actually a great idea. It's isn't it funny how all these tours? Dan, let's grab that domain. Nerd's on tour. Let's see if that's available. Trying right now.

Maybe, you know, early next year, we we do we go nerds on tour. That's actually a great idea. It's isn't it funny how all these tours? Dan, let's grab that domain. Nerd's on tour. Let's see if that's available. Trying right now.

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Alright. You wanna what's what do you got? What do you got? Okay. So let's do some ideas.

Alright. You wanna what's what do you got? What do you got? Okay. So let's do some ideas.

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Okay. So neighborhood seven elevens.

Okay. So neighborhood seven elevens.

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So what is I love neighborhood seven elevens, by the way. So I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in. I'll find out when I go to your house tonight, but,

So what is I love neighborhood seven elevens, by the way. So I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in. I'll find out when I go to your house tonight, but,

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my neighborhood is kind of like, I'm in the suburbs.

my neighborhood is kind of like, I'm in the suburbs.

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And so I don't know, in this neighborhood, there might be a hundred homes

And so I don't know, in this neighborhood, there might be a hundred homes

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and the there's like a gate at the front. It's sort of like one of those neighborhoods where it takes you seven minutes to just get from your house to the front of the neighborhood because you're, you know, you wanna go to the the grocery store. The grocery store is only two miles away, but, like, takes you seven minutes to get out of your neighborhood and then another ten minutes to get there. It's seventeen minutes, like, round trip. And,

and the there's like a gate at the front. It's sort of like one of those neighborhoods where it takes you seven minutes to just get from your house to the front of the neighborhood because you're, you know, you wanna go to the the grocery store. The grocery store is only two miles away, but, like, takes you seven minutes to get out of your neighborhood and then another ten minutes to get there. It's seventeen minutes, like, round trip. And,

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and there's just like a hundred of these neighborhoods or a thousand of these neighborhoods in the suburbs. Like, everywhere I go in the suburbs of California, it's like this. And so I started thinking about

and there's just like a hundred of these neighborhoods or a thousand of these neighborhoods in the suburbs. Like, everywhere I go in the suburbs of California, it's like this. And so I started thinking about

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two two ideas that came together as one in my head. So the first was there's a startup we had talked about called bridge no more.

two two ideas that came together as one in my head. So the first was there's a startup we had talked about called bridge no more.

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And, yeah, we we talked when we talked about that, it was like just starting. I'm pretty sure it's a huge thing already. Well, they just raised, yeah, fifteen, twenty million dollars or something like that.

And, yeah, we we talked when we talked about that, it was like just starting. I'm pretty sure it's a huge thing already. Well, they just raised, yeah, fifteen, twenty million dollars or something like that.

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Love those guys and, you know, was considering investing. I just thought the value was a little high, but,

Love those guys and, you know, was considering investing. I just thought the value was a little high, but,

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but, yeah, anyways, I I think it's really cool concept. And their concept is It's called fridge no more because, like, look, in the future, you won't even need a fridge. Why? Because when you want something, you'll just push a button You want, like, you know, two ice creams. Great. They'll show up at your door in, like, under fifteen minutes. And how do we do that? Well, we have these, like,

but, yeah, anyways, I I think it's really cool concept. And their concept is It's called fridge no more because, like, look, in the future, you won't even need a fridge. Why? Because when you want something, you'll just push a button You want, like, you know, two ice creams. Great. They'll show up at your door in, like, under fifteen minutes. And how do we do that? Well, we have these, like,

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super small

super small

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kinda like cloud,

kinda like cloud,

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corner stores

corner stores

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that are just like we'll have, like, a hundred in every city. And these cloud corner stores will be able to dispatch an order to you in a very small amount of time with a very low,

that are just like we'll have, like, a hundred in every city. And these cloud corner stores will be able to dispatch an order to you in a very small amount of time with a very low,

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like, delivery fee. And, and Gopuff does this on college campuses. That's like a multi billion dollar company, I think.

like, delivery fee. And, and Gopuff does this on college campuses. That's like a multi billion dollar company, I think.

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And so I started thinking about in the suburbs, the challenge, is a little bit different. And I thought why don't neighborhoods

And so I started thinking about in the suburbs, the challenge, is a little bit different. And I thought why don't neighborhoods

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just have a neighborhood corner store. Okay. Well, how would that work? So you told me about the vending machines thing last podcast. So it got me thinking, okay. That was a good one. Right? That was a good one. As I was driving through my neighborhood, I was like, look at all these garages. Like,

just have a neighborhood corner store. Okay. Well, how would that work? So you told me about the vending machines thing last podcast. So it got me thinking, okay. That was a good one. Right? That was a good one. As I was driving through my neighborhood, I was like, look at all these garages. Like,

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would somebody not want

would somebody not want

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five hundred dollars a month to turn their garage or part of their garage into basically just, like, fridges and freezers.

five hundred dollars a month to turn their garage or part of their garage into basically just, like, fridges and freezers.

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And then it could just get, you know, basically, you just deliver to the, you deliver to the neighborhood garage.

And then it could just get, you know, basically, you just deliver to the, you deliver to the neighborhood garage.

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That's the neighborhood corner store. All the bulk wholesale goods, you know, your your water, your all your drinks, your sodas, your,

That's the neighborhood corner store. All the bulk wholesale goods, you know, your your water, your all your drinks, your sodas, your,

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snacks, and your, like, ice creams or whatever,

snacks, and your, like, ice creams or whatever,

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And then in the neighborhood,

And then in the neighborhood,

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you would just have it where you just order and either you go pick it up, out of the girl out of that garage or you know, some kid in the neighborhood can just pick up the order, make five bucks for just taking it from one part of the neighborhood to the other, to bring it to you. And, the key would be the convenience of the speed of this, that you could get it in, like, you know, under ten minutes to get something delivered to you. So, basically, the idea is take the idea of seven eleven, but use the sharing economy. So put put a mini seven eleven inside

you would just have it where you just order and either you go pick it up, out of the girl out of that garage or you know, some kid in the neighborhood can just pick up the order, make five bucks for just taking it from one part of the neighborhood to the other, to bring it to you. And, the key would be the convenience of the speed of this, that you could get it in, like, you know, under ten minutes to get something delivered to you. So, basically, the idea is take the idea of seven eleven, but use the sharing economy. So put put a mini seven eleven inside

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of garages inside of all these suburban neighborhoods. What do you think of this idea? I've got strong feelings. So for

of garages inside of all these suburban neighborhoods. What do you think of this idea? I've got strong feelings. So for

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well, just let me let me let me get to it. The sharing economy, so kinda really got popular with Airbnb Uber. I remember two thousand thirteen in the same way that all the older school magazines are all talking about crypto it was like the sharing economy. So there was a sharing economy for everything back in two thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen, and it was all we talked about.

well, just let me let me let me get to it. The sharing economy, so kinda really got popular with Airbnb Uber. I remember two thousand thirteen in the same way that all the older school magazines are all talking about crypto it was like the sharing economy. So there was a sharing economy for everything back in two thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen, and it was all we talked about.

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And I've looked at the data, and I've like, try to figure it all this out. I am almost positive

And I've looked at the data, and I've like, try to figure it all this out. I am almost positive

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that the sharing economy only works for like two or three things.

that the sharing economy only works for like two or three things.

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Uber and driving,

Uber and driving,

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Airbnb,

Airbnb,

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home rentals,

home rentals,

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and maybe that's it.

and maybe that's it.

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I've seen

I've seen

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sharing economy stuff. Have you ever seen I just got pitched on this the other day and I just can never could I never am on board with it. Sharing economy for like you like tools in your

sharing economy stuff. Have you ever seen I just got pitched on this the other day and I just can never could I never am on board with it. Sharing economy for like you like tools in your

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This idea has been around and recycled, like, a trillion times. Like, hey, why do I have to buy a drill? My neighbor has a drill. You know, I just wanna use it once. Why don't I just rent the drill on demand locally?

This idea has been around and recycled, like, a trillion times. Like, hey, why do I have to buy a drill? My neighbor has a drill. You know, I just wanna use it once. Why don't I just rent the drill on demand locally?

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That idea

That idea

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never works or at least It hasn't ever and it's and it there's probably a reason why it hasn't.

never works or at least It hasn't ever and it's and it there's probably a reason why it hasn't.

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There's a bunch of these sharing economy things like One was like you go to someone's home and you cook dinner with them or they like a private, like if it's a cooking lesson, you know. Right. Even Airbnb experiences doesn't really work that well as a business. It works as a nice little add on thing. For them, but that's not like where their value is.

There's a bunch of these sharing economy things like One was like you go to someone's home and you cook dinner with them or they like a private, like if it's a cooking lesson, you know. Right. Even Airbnb experiences doesn't really work that well as a business. It works as a nice little add on thing. For them, but that's not like where their value is.

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And I've always thought that sharing economy for most

And I've always thought that sharing economy for most

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things is a horrible idea. I used to share an office when I first started my company. It was me, Siva,

things is a horrible idea. I used to share an office when I first started my company. It was me, Siva,

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and one other company. I think they were called Brewster or something. And they were trying to get people to make it was like storage. So they were like one of the people to rent storage in other people's garage. And I would hear these guys on their phone trying to call constantly trying to get and they had zero users and I heard them trying to get user one, user two. I heard all the whole thing. They would walk around on the phone. It was so hard to convince anyone. And when they did convince someone, it never worked. And so in terms of sharing economy stuff and, like,

and one other company. I think they were called Brewster or something. And they were trying to get people to make it was like storage. So they were like one of the people to rent storage in other people's garage. And I would hear these guys on their phone trying to call constantly trying to get and they had zero users and I heard them trying to get user one, user two. I heard all the whole thing. They would walk around on the phone. It was so hard to convince anyone. And when they did convince someone, it never worked. And so in terms of sharing economy stuff and, like,

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like this idea, I'm almost always default to

like this idea, I'm almost always default to

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I don't know. That seems really difficult. Do you agree?

I don't know. That seems really difficult. Do you agree?

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I don't agree with, okay. I do agree that it's difficult, but,

I don't agree with, okay. I do agree that it's difficult, but,

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like, on the storage one. So for people who don't know, there was a a batch of startups all trying to do this, which was, hey,

like, on the storage one. So for people who don't know, there was a a batch of startups all trying to do this, which was, hey,

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Airbnb lets you rent out the excess space in your bedrooms, your house,

Airbnb lets you rent out the excess space in your bedrooms, your house,

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Why don't we rent let you rent out excess space in your garage? And so Omni started this way. They ended up shutting down after raising a bunch of money.

Why don't we rent let you rent out excess space in your garage? And so Omni started this way. They ended up shutting down after raising a bunch of money.

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Clutter

Clutter

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tried to do the same thing. Clutter had changed. I believe they've made it, but maybe they pivoted. I don't know what It's now just sort of normal ass like, we come pick up your stuff and store it in a warehouse. The store it in warehouses. Okay. So, yeah. So I don't know what the,

tried to do the same thing. Clutter had changed. I believe they've made it, but maybe they pivoted. I don't know what It's now just sort of normal ass like, we come pick up your stuff and store it in a warehouse. The store it in warehouses. Okay. So, yeah. So I don't know what the,

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what what went wrong there, but that was one that I would believe could work, right, because if I have extra space, blah, blah, and these things, you don't get they don't get used very much. So they sort and storage for the most part. There's one reason why. I mean, and I and I've thought about this. Convenience.

what what went wrong there, but that was one that I would believe could work, right, because if I have extra space, blah, blah, and these things, you don't get they don't get used very much. So they sort and storage for the most part. There's one reason why. I mean, and I and I've thought about this. Convenience.

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It's all about convenience.

It's all about convenience.

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So it's the convenience

So it's the convenience

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that has to pay for itself. So,

that has to pay for itself. So,

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having someone stay in my house is

having someone stay in my house is

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relatively inconvenient

relatively inconvenient

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But I could make, like, three grand a month pretty consistently.

But I could make, like, three grand a month pretty consistently.

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Right?

Right?

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Okay. Yeah. So it's not about convenience, sir. It's about money. Well, no, it's a balance. It's it's con like, it's my convenience at a price. Now having someone store shit in my garage for eighty dollars a month, which is how much it costs to store stuff at a normal,

Okay. Yeah. So it's not about convenience, sir. It's about money. Well, no, it's a balance. It's it's con like, it's my convenience at a price. Now having someone store shit in my garage for eighty dollars a month, which is how much it costs to store stuff at a normal,

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storage unit. That's just fucking not worth. I don't I don't it's not worth it to me. It's a pain in the ass and and it's not worth it. It's way too inconvenient.

storage unit. That's just fucking not worth. I don't I don't it's not worth it to me. It's a pain in the ass and and it's not worth it. It's way too inconvenient.

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Right. Yeah. So I think there is, you know, this trade off. I would also say, I think a lot of people merge these ideas together. So,

Right. Yeah. So I think there is, you know, this trade off. I would also say, I think a lot of people merge these ideas together. So,

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for example,

for example,

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sharing economy. What does sharing economy mean mean? It means taking excess resources that are unutilized and getting them to be utilized. Right? Airbnb, excess space, get them to be utilized.

sharing economy. What does sharing economy mean mean? It means taking excess resources that are unutilized and getting them to be utilized. Right? Airbnb, excess space, get them to be utilized.

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Then there's, like, gig economy.

Then there's, like, gig economy.

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Gig economy is, like,

Gig economy is, like,

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more like Uber.

more like Uber.

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Right, like, push a button and, like, push a button, the guy's gonna come pick you up. And it's not so much excess resources because that guy it's not like that guy was happen to be driving by anyways. It's like, no. He just made this his job.

Right, like, push a button and, like, push a button, the guy's gonna come pick you up. And it's not so much excess resources because that guy it's not like that guy was happen to be driving by anyways. It's like, no. He just made this his job.

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And gig economy. So then people started trying to do that with, like, masseuses. Right? Like, push button. And masseuse will come to your house.

And gig economy. So then people started trying to do that with, like, masseuses. Right? Like, push button. And masseuse will come to your house.

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You know, like pedicures at your house or whatever whatever every every random thing.

You know, like pedicures at your house or whatever whatever every every random thing.

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And then there's sort of like crater economy, which is like a totally different thing altogether. And so people started just like using these words pretty interchangeably.

And then there's sort of like crater economy, which is like a totally different thing altogether. And so people started just like using these words pretty interchangeably.

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And I think that doesn't work. And in general,

And I think that doesn't work. And in general,

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almost all these are two sided marketplaces, which are just like effing hard to do. It's really effing hard to start a two sided marketplace. And when you do, the prize is a billion dollars, you know, in your pocket. And so, you know, it shouldn't be it really shouldn't be that easy. But,

almost all these are two sided marketplaces, which are just like effing hard to do. It's really effing hard to start a two sided marketplace. And when you do, the prize is a billion dollars, you know, in your pocket. And so, you know, it shouldn't be it really shouldn't be that easy. But,

40:38

I agree. So I so I agree with you that this probably a wouldn't work or b would be, looks like a real pain in the ass to do. But good idea, Sean.

I agree. So I so I agree with you that this probably a wouldn't work or b would be, looks like a real pain in the ass to do. But good idea, Sean.

40:46

Yeah. But interesting idea in the sense that,

Yeah. But interesting idea in the sense that,

40:50

I think it would be pretty game changing in terms of convenience, because it would be essentially,

I think it would be pretty game changing in terms of convenience, because it would be essentially,

40:55

like, a cold vending machine

like, a cold vending machine

40:57

inside of neighborhoods. Right? Like, you know, like, a super vending machine inside of neighborhoods.

inside of neighborhoods. Right? Like, you know, like, a super vending machine inside of neighborhoods.

41:02

And if you could get it to work, you now have every sort of suburban neighborhood

And if you could get it to work, you now have every sort of suburban neighborhood

41:07

you know, to go spread into

you know, to go spread into

41:09

where,

where,

41:10

a lot of stuff is done in cities, partly because the people who build startups tend to live in cities, not in the Burbs, And so,

a lot of stuff is done in cities, partly because the people who build startups tend to live in cities, not in the Burbs, And so,

41:18

so a lot of stuff works in the cities because that's where they live, that's what they know, and then people are really densely packed into one area. And so hard to get things to work at a neighborhood level. You ever been to a a truck stop where they have like just a slab of concrete with benches and like ten different vending machines all right there, but just like an awning. And you could we'll just do that. Let's just do that in the burbs. We're just gonna get that slab and just put all those vending machines right in there. Well, that's the thing. Like, the question is, what would you sacrifice one home for? Right? Cause you need the space. So either it's gotta go inside of a home.

so a lot of stuff works in the cities because that's where they live, that's what they know, and then people are really densely packed into one area. And so hard to get things to work at a neighborhood level. You ever been to a a truck stop where they have like just a slab of concrete with benches and like ten different vending machines all right there, but just like an awning. And you could we'll just do that. Let's just do that in the burbs. We're just gonna get that slab and just put all those vending machines right in there. Well, that's the thing. Like, the question is, what would you sacrifice one home for? Right? Cause you need the space. So either it's gotta go inside of a home.

41:49

Right, in the garage, in the backyard, and inside the house,

Right, in the garage, in the backyard, and inside the house,

41:52

or it has to be so valuable that you could justify just buying one of the homes and converting it into some, like, commerce basically for the the neighborhood and getting the permits to do it, which is, you know, once we start talking permits this time to change ideas. Okay. I got another I get another suburban idea for you.

or it has to be so valuable that you could justify just buying one of the homes and converting it into some, like, commerce basically for the the neighborhood and getting the permits to do it, which is, you know, once we start talking permits this time to change ideas. Okay. I got another I get another suburban idea for you.

42:09

So,

So,

42:11

the new golf. So my buddy, Ben,

the new golf. So my buddy, Ben,

42:13

got invited to go play in this pickup game, this pickup basketball game. And,

got invited to go play in this pickup game, this pickup basketball game. And,

42:18

it's he didn't wanna turn it down because it was like Like ballers? Yeah. It was a bunch of ballers that were, like, gonna go play there. It was, like This is baller, not real baller. Well, half. Half were actual, like, you know, like, good ballers. And, you know, people who are, like, you know, this guy's gonna get drafted this year. This guy trains the NBA players. What the fuck? Isn't Ben, like, a little guy?

it's he didn't wanna turn it down because it was like Like ballers? Yeah. It was a bunch of ballers that were, like, gonna go play there. It was, like This is baller, not real baller. Well, half. Half were actual, like, you know, like, good ballers. And, you know, people who are, like, you know, this guy's gonna get drafted this year. This guy trains the NBA players. What the fuck? Isn't Ben, like, a little guy?

42:39

Yeah. But we met the guy who's the trainer for the NBA players, this guy Alex, I forgot his company name last time, so I'll shout it out this time through the lens. He's the one building the master class for athletes. So,

Yeah. But we met the guy who's the trainer for the NBA players, this guy Alex, I forgot his company name last time, so I'll shout it out this time through the lens. He's the one building the master class for athletes. So,

42:49

through the lens. So so anyways, Alex was organizing this game, and he was like, hey, you wanna go complain this. You're, I know, you're in New York also. So,

through the lens. So so anyways, Alex was organizing this game, and he was like, hey, you wanna go complain this. You're, I know, you're in New York also. So,

42:56

come by. And if you're if you're an NBA fan, you always see on Instagram, all the NBA players in the summer go play in this one gym. That's like,

come by. And if you're if you're an NBA fan, you always see on Instagram, all the NBA players in the summer go play in this one gym. That's like,

43:04

it's like in an apartment building. So it's like Yeah. My my my friend used to live in that building. Like Sky or something. I don't know what it's called, but it's like Yeah. It's in New York. Yeah. It's like this exclusive thing, and it'll be like LeBron and Carmelo and Cameron, all playing this, like, little gym or whatever. So the guy was like, hey, we're gonna go play tomorrow on that gym. You wanna come? He's like, fuck yeah. I'm like, alright. Who's there? And it's like a bunch of, like, you know, I don't know, billionaires, children and, like, you know, wanna be NBA players or whatever. So they went and played. And I was like, how was it? He's like, oh, it was good. But, like, you know, a, I stuck and b,

it's like in an apartment building. So it's like Yeah. My my my friend used to live in that building. Like Sky or something. I don't know what it's called, but it's like Yeah. It's in New York. Yeah. It's like this exclusive thing, and it'll be like LeBron and Carmelo and Cameron, all playing this, like, little gym or whatever. So the guy was like, hey, we're gonna go play tomorrow on that gym. You wanna come? He's like, fuck yeah. I'm like, alright. Who's there? And it's like a bunch of, like, you know, I don't know, billionaires, children and, like, you know, wanna be NBA players or whatever. So they went and played. And I was like, how was it? He's like, oh, it was good. But, like, you know, a, I stuck and b,

43:38

You know, I'm just trying not to get hurt. Right? Like, he's like, once, you know, you're thirty, you got, like, he's like, I I just had a kid. Like, I just can't afford to get hurt. And I'm not playing regularly, so I'm, you know, I just kinda, like, played it easy, I guess, which is kinda lame, but that was the truth. I said, well, you know, same here. I I basically played basketball as, like, my favorite thing to do until I was, like, twenty seven. And then, like, since then, I've just been, like, well,

You know, I'm just trying not to get hurt. Right? Like, he's like, once, you know, you're thirty, you got, like, he's like, I I just had a kid. Like, I just can't afford to get hurt. And I'm not playing regularly, so I'm, you know, I just kinda, like, played it easy, I guess, which is kinda lame, but that was the truth. I said, well, you know, same here. I I basically played basketball as, like, my favorite thing to do until I was, like, twenty seven. And then, like, since then, I've just been, like, well,

44:01

the odds of me spraining an ankle or Spraining a knee is just too high. I can't, like,

the odds of me spraining an ankle or Spraining a knee is just too high. I can't, like,

44:06

actually play the sport anymore properly. And so I kinda opted out. So I started thinking about, like, at every age,

actually play the sport anymore properly. And so I kinda opted out. So I started thinking about, like, at every age,

44:12

is a different sport that's, like, right for you. So, you know, maybe in your twenties and thirties, it could be something like basketball or soccer. In your forties, you really not many forty five year old, like, pick up basketball players that are that are going out there. There's always, you know, maybe the one old dude who's, like, barely, barely moving. But for the most part, you need to graduate to another sport that is that matches your life athleticism.

is a different sport that's, like, right for you. So, you know, maybe in your twenties and thirties, it could be something like basketball or soccer. In your forties, you really not many forty five year old, like, pick up basketball players that are that are going out there. There's always, you know, maybe the one old dude who's, like, barely, barely moving. But for the most part, you need to graduate to another sport that is that matches your life athleticism.

44:33

So it might be tennis and, you know, the little bit older might be golf, And then a little bit older, like, I think the the the sort of end sport is basically,

So it might be tennis and, you know, the little bit older might be golf, And then a little bit older, like, I think the the the sort of end sport is basically,

44:41

just plain poker. You can just do that in a wheelchair. And, you know, it's like the last thing you can do as, like, some kind of form of sport or competition.

just plain poker. You can just do that in a wheelchair. And, you know, it's like the last thing you can do as, like, some kind of form of sport or competition.

44:49

And so,

And so,

44:50

so anyways, it got me thinking like, okay. If I'm I'm about to shift into the, like, tennis phase. Okay. Cool. Fine.

so anyways, it got me thinking like, okay. If I'm I'm about to shift into the, like, tennis phase. Okay. Cool. Fine.

44:57

It's pickleball, bro. And that's pickleball. So then I started thinking about pickleball because I was like, what is pickleball? Pickleball

It's pickleball, bro. And that's pickleball. So then I started thinking about pickleball because I was like, what is pickleball? Pickleball

45:02

is mini tennis

is mini tennis

45:04

that is like, kind of the best of tennis, but it's also

that is like, kind of the best of tennis, but it's also

45:07

easier on the body. Right? Am I right about pickleball? I haven't played, but that's what I see. You don't have a run? No. I would say it's as hard on the body, but it's, like, it requires close to no skill.

easier on the body. Right? Am I right about pickleball? I haven't played, but that's what I see. You don't have a run? No. I would say it's as hard on the body, but it's, like, it requires close to no skill.

45:18

Right. So, okay. The skill cap might be print, but I also think there's less less running around and jumping and just So, like, anyone can do it. Right. So so it's more accessible. That's kind of the point. And then I was thinking about golf. Because I think once you hit, yeah, I don't know, fifty plus,

Right. So, okay. The skill cap might be print, but I also think there's less less running around and jumping and just So, like, anyone can do it. Right. So so it's more accessible. That's kind of the point. And then I was thinking about golf. Because I think once you hit, yeah, I don't know, fifty plus,

45:31

it seems like golf is the major sport for that age.

it seems like golf is the major sport for that age.

45:34

And golf is like the least fucking accessible thing. Right? It's super expensive.

And golf is like the least fucking accessible thing. Right? It's super expensive.

45:39

It takes the whole day as hard as shit to, like, even be decent at golf,

It takes the whole day as hard as shit to, like, even be decent at golf,

45:44

so I'm like, how is it? It's amazing to be this even worked. Right? Like, it's it's kinda like mind blowing a gulf even even has any popularity. So what's the point? What's the new one? What is the new golf? Who is the new thing? Yeah. What what are you been doing? I when I have friends in town

so I'm like, how is it? It's amazing to be this even worked. Right? Like, it's it's kinda like mind blowing a gulf even even has any popularity. So what's the point? What's the new one? What is the new golf? Who is the new thing? Yeah. What what are you been doing? I when I have friends in town

45:59

or,

or,

45:59

you and I won't have enough time. Maybe we will tomorrow. But,

you and I won't have enough time. Maybe we will tomorrow. But,

46:03

like, I had a friend named Brennan come over. Whenever people visit,

like, I had a friend named Brennan come over. Whenever people visit,

46:06

I go,

I go,

46:08

five five PM Thursday or whatever, come to my house and wear tennis shoes.

five five PM Thursday or whatever, come to my house and wear tennis shoes.

46:13

And I've bought tons and tons of wraps. And so they get there, I throw them hand wraps and I go, we're gonna box today.

And I've bought tons and tons of wraps. And so they get there, I throw them hand wraps and I go, we're gonna box today.

46:21

And I throw them their thing and we wrap up our hands up and I go, alright, we're gonna warm up with some mitts. You how to punch. We do that. And then I go, alright, here's an extra mouth guard. Where's the barn?

And I throw them their thing and we wrap up our hands up and I go, alright, we're gonna warm up with some mitts. You how to punch. We do that. And then I go, alright, here's an extra mouth guard. Where's the barn?

46:31

And,

And,

46:32

I I lead him and I we don't hit hard. Yeah. But, like, if they want every once in a while, I won't hit them hard in the face, but I'll get up in there and then I'll pop them really hard in the stomach just so they could feel alive a little. Yeah. Feel what it's like to be alive. And then I'll let them punch me. I had a guy chip my tooth the other day and it's been the greatest bonding experience. I've done it with men, women, everyone, with the women, like, well, so pop me real hard and I'll hit her in the stomach. Like, it it's awesome, man. It is awesome. I love doing this with boxing. It brings you together. It makes you feel alive. And it's a fun sport because we could do it in my garage. And you normally don't box because it's embarrassing to try that in front of a bunch of people. Oh, you're afraid to be killed. Yeah. Yeah. And I know when I could, like, and they'll see me. I go put I go put your hands up, watch. And while I, like, I moved so slow. I'll just kind of tap them. I'm like, look, that's all we're doing. We're just gonna barely touch each other. Yeah. So I think in the I think thirties, maybe even forties boxing works. I think beyond that, boxing also doesn't work because, you know, for obvious reasons,

I I lead him and I we don't hit hard. Yeah. But, like, if they want every once in a while, I won't hit them hard in the face, but I'll get up in there and then I'll pop them really hard in the stomach just so they could feel alive a little. Yeah. Feel what it's like to be alive. And then I'll let them punch me. I had a guy chip my tooth the other day and it's been the greatest bonding experience. I've done it with men, women, everyone, with the women, like, well, so pop me real hard and I'll hit her in the stomach. Like, it it's awesome, man. It is awesome. I love doing this with boxing. It brings you together. It makes you feel alive. And it's a fun sport because we could do it in my garage. And you normally don't box because it's embarrassing to try that in front of a bunch of people. Oh, you're afraid to be killed. Yeah. Yeah. And I know when I could, like, and they'll see me. I go put I go put your hands up, watch. And while I, like, I moved so slow. I'll just kind of tap them. I'm like, look, that's all we're doing. We're just gonna barely touch each other. Yeah. So I think in the I think thirties, maybe even forties boxing works. I think beyond that, boxing also doesn't work because, you know, for obvious reasons,

47:30

so I think you're you're doing the thing where you basically, as you shift in age, you, like, shift in sport.

so I think you're you're doing the thing where you basically, as you shift in age, you, like, shift in sport.

47:37

And I've seen, like, think I talked about this once before, but, like, people have taken,

And I've seen, like, think I talked about this once before, but, like, people have taken,

47:41

like, so so I was talking to my friend, Sahil, this guy Sahil Bloom. People might have seen him on Twitter. He's got a big Twitter now. And, we were we were eating, and he was talking about he used to be a baseball player at Stanford. He's a pitcher.

like, so so I was talking to my friend, Sahil, this guy Sahil Bloom. People might have seen him on Twitter. He's got a big Twitter now. And, we were we were eating, and he was talking about he used to be a baseball player at Stanford. He's a pitcher.

47:52

And he's like,

And he's like,

47:54

you know, I got hurt, you know, that it kinda ended my pro aspirations, and then it was sort of like, well, this thing that the sport of dedicated myself to forever is pretty much useless to me at this point. Right? Like, I will never play pick up baseball. Like, what am I gonna do? Go find nine friends on one side, nine on the other side, that all like baseball. It's a pain. Yes. All I have four hours to kill.

you know, I got hurt, you know, that it kinda ended my pro aspirations, and then it was sort of like, well, this thing that the sport of dedicated myself to forever is pretty much useless to me at this point. Right? Like, I will never play pick up baseball. Like, what am I gonna do? Go find nine friends on one side, nine on the other side, that all like baseball. It's a pain. Yes. All I have four hours to kill.

48:16

And, you know, we have the right skills where we can, like, pitch and catch.

And, you know, we have the right skills where we can, like, pitch and catch.

48:19

You know, like, most people can't even sit in the catcher's squad. Like, you know, it's just you're never gonna play baseball again. And it was true. Like, Baseball is sort of the worst trans worst access sport at at an early age. I think golf is the worst one at a later age. And so I think that if somebody could take the characteristics

You know, like, most people can't even sit in the catcher's squad. Like, you know, it's just you're never gonna play baseball again. And it was true. Like, Baseball is sort of the worst trans worst access sport at at an early age. I think golf is the worst one at a later age. And so I think that if somebody could take the characteristics

48:35

that make golf work and create their version of pickleball. I think you'd own a pretty valuable asset. And I'm on the lookout to see what is this next one because I have several friends that didn't invent pickleball. But when pickleball started to get popular, they built pickleball businesses.

that make golf work and create their version of pickleball. I think you'd own a pretty valuable asset. And I'm on the lookout to see what is this next one because I have several friends that didn't invent pickleball. But when pickleball started to get popular, they built pickleball businesses.

48:49

Some, you know, I can't I can't say their name. They actually, they've like, literally asked me not to, but,

Some, you know, I can't I can't say their name. They actually, they've like, literally asked me not to, but,

48:55

one of them is they did equipment. So, like, they just built, like, you know, like, an Amazon FBA business selling pickleball stuff, and they were able to rank at the top because at the time, pickleball wasn't that competitive, but it got more and more popular over time. And then other people started leagues, and then there's other people that are barstools, I think, doing something on the media side. I don't know. There's a bunch of different ways you can ride these waves of new sports.

one of them is they did equipment. So, like, they just built, like, you know, like, an Amazon FBA business selling pickleball stuff, and they were able to rank at the top because at the time, pickleball wasn't that competitive, but it got more and more popular over time. And then other people started leagues, and then there's other people that are barstools, I think, doing something on the media side. I don't know. There's a bunch of different ways you can ride these waves of new sports.

49:17

And so

And so

49:18

What makes golf work is that it's I think it's outdoors.

What makes golf work is that it's I think it's outdoors.

49:22

I think that it's,

I think that it's,

49:24

you know, it's a chill sport. So it doesn't require, like, running jumping, squatting, like, stuff like that. Like, it's, you know, old guys can swing the club too.

you know, it's a chill sport. So it doesn't require, like, running jumping, squatting, like, stuff like that. Like, it's, you know, old guys can swing the club too.

49:33

And then all the bad parts, you would have to change. So you'd have to find a way to make it a sixty minute or ninety minute experience.

And then all the bad parts, you would have to change. So you'd have to find a way to make it a sixty minute or ninety minute experience.

49:39

You would need, you know, golf's cool because you can do it by yourself. You could do it with one other person or you do it with four people. So that's good. I'd keep that.

You would need, you know, golf's cool because you can do it by yourself. You could do it with one other person or you do it with four people. So that's good. I'd keep that.

49:46

You would not wanna have it be where you need, like, thousands of dollars of equipment just to get started,

You would not wanna have it be where you need, like, thousands of dollars of equipment just to get started,

49:51

or, like, you know, pay to go do this thing. And then you'd also want it to be where a beginner can, like, feel some sort of success and not just like

or, like, you know, pay to go do this thing. And then you'd also want it to be where a beginner can, like, feel some sort of success and not just like

49:58

like, I went to a golf course once What about spike ball?

like, I went to a golf course once What about spike ball?

50:01

Too athletic, dude. You're think you're still thinking like you, you have athleticism still. You gotta think about you thirty years from now.

Too athletic, dude. You're think you're still thinking like you, you have athleticism still. You gotta think about you thirty years from now.

50:08

You had a bum hip. The testosterone that you've been taking for thirty years has now wiped you out You're, you know, you you're gonna be in a different phase. You're gonna need a different sport at that time. I think it's gotta feel like I just go for walks.

You had a bum hip. The testosterone that you've been taking for thirty years has now wiped you out You're, you know, you you're gonna be in a different phase. You're gonna need a different sport at that time. I think it's gotta feel like I just go for walks.

50:22

Yeah. But the the walks don't have the thing that the boxing is giving to you where you get to scratch the competitive itch and you get to do, like, kind of, like,

Yeah. But the the walks don't have the thing that the boxing is giving to you where you get to scratch the competitive itch and you get to do, like, kind of, like,

50:30

you get to feel alive. You could still feel like you're doing something.

you get to feel alive. You could still feel like you're doing something.

50:33

Walking is sort of like the most basic. I think you gotta take, like, shuffleboard,

Walking is sort of like the most basic. I think you gotta take, like, shuffleboard,

50:38

shuffleboard level of, like,

shuffleboard level of, like,

50:40

movement

movement

50:41

and make it a, like, outdoor activity. I don't know. What's that one sport that old people play that's like,

and make it a, like, outdoor activity. I don't know. What's that one sport that old people play that's like,

50:46

Voci? I thought botchy you know, I don't know what botchy ball is. Maybe this is botchy ball that I'm describing,

Voci? I thought botchy you know, I don't know what botchy ball is. Maybe this is botchy ball that I'm describing,

50:51

but I feel like maybe something like botchy ball is what's gonna what's gonna pick up So

but I feel like maybe something like botchy ball is what's gonna what's gonna pick up So

50:56

we need to go to questions, I think.

we need to go to questions, I think.

50:59

You're not a fan of the new golf? I'm not a fan of the new golf. Dude, I'm telling you, it's gonna happen. You're gonna see the sport rise in popularity amongst older people, and you're gonna be like, fuck. Sean was right. There was an appetite for a sport for older people that's not called golf. Maybe. But, like, I can't it's just like such an impossible thing to predict. I mean, like, I would be it'd be better predicting which companies would be a billion dollar company than which sport is gonna be. Who would like who would have thought a sport named pickleball was gonna be sick? Yeah. I don't know. I would've put my money on slamball, but, you know, just to show what I know.

You're not a fan of the new golf? I'm not a fan of the new golf. Dude, I'm telling you, it's gonna happen. You're gonna see the sport rise in popularity amongst older people, and you're gonna be like, fuck. Sean was right. There was an appetite for a sport for older people that's not called golf. Maybe. But, like, I can't it's just like such an impossible thing to predict. I mean, like, I would be it'd be better predicting which companies would be a billion dollar company than which sport is gonna be. Who would like who would have thought a sport named pickleball was gonna be sick? Yeah. I don't know. I would've put my money on slamball, but, you know, just to show what I know.

51:34

Dan, do we,

Dan, do we,

51:35

do we have

do we have

51:37

what's it called? Do we get the merch? So we have stickers. We have shirts for the tour?

what's it called? Do we get the merch? So we have stickers. We have shirts for the tour?

51:41

Yep. We got stickers. We got shirts. We got hoodies. And then my first business in college was making buttons. So I got some buttons for you guys too. Do you have the shirts with you?

Yep. We got stickers. We got shirts. We got hoodies. And then my first business in college was making buttons. So I got some buttons for you guys too. Do you have the shirts with you?

51:51

I don't. They got shipped out yesterday. They are arriving

I don't. They got shipped out yesterday. They are arriving

51:54

tomorrow into Miami.

tomorrow into Miami.

51:56

Okay. Great. So Austin Austin, no shirts, Miami shirts. Everything's going to Miami. Yep. Okay. And what about,

Okay. Great. So Austin Austin, no shirts, Miami shirts. Everything's going to Miami. Yep. Okay. And what about,

52:03

And what who's the guy who, designed the search? Let's give that guy a shout out to.

And what who's the guy who, designed the search? Let's give that guy a shout out to.

52:07

Yeah. Let me pull it up. Dustin is his first name.

Yeah. Let me pull it up. Dustin is his first name.

52:11

And he's like, he's like a creative agency or like a kind of a design company or something. Yeah. He's got a creative agent here in Las Vegas. I've tweeted out, you know, hey,

And he's like, he's like a creative agency or like a kind of a design company or something. Yeah. He's got a creative agent here in Las Vegas. I've tweeted out, you know, hey,

52:21

give us some, you know, some somebody give some designs. We'll we'll we'll hook you up. And,

give us some, you know, some somebody give some designs. We'll we'll we'll hook you up. And,

52:26

his were by far the most kind of, like, favorited or liked by people who said, like, yo, pick this one. This these are the winners.

his were by far the most kind of, like, favorited or liked by people who said, like, yo, pick this one. This these are the winners.

52:33

Yeah. Dustin Annati. He's got an agency out in Las Vegas called Artison's on fire.

Yeah. Dustin Annati. He's got an agency out in Las Vegas called Artison's on fire.

52:38

Arton's on fire. Okay. Sweet. Yeah. Artisan's on fire. Go check that out. And he made the post economic shirt that's gonna fly off the shelves. Are we giving these away or we charge it for them? I didn't hear the the end result.

Arton's on fire. Okay. Sweet. Yeah. Artisan's on fire. Go check that out. And he made the post economic shirt that's gonna fly off the shelves. Are we giving these away or we charge it for them? I didn't hear the the end result.

52:50

I got square set up, so you guys tell me.

I got square set up, so you guys tell me.

52:53

Alright. We'll just head over down there. Can I hear one a funny observation?

Alright. We'll just head over down there. Can I hear one a funny observation?

52:57

Yeah. Yeah. So I've been listening to you guys for, like, a year now always on one and a half x. One of the weirdest things is having to listen to you guys in real time.

Yeah. Yeah. So I've been listening to you guys for, like, a year now always on one and a half x. One of the weirdest things is having to listen to you guys in real time.

53:06

I've heard that before.

I've heard that before.

53:08

Sean sounds like he's a couple drinks in. I can't believe that,

Sean sounds like he's a couple drinks in. I can't believe that,

53:13

but I talk faster than Sam. Right? I feel like I'm I think we both have nervous energy.

but I talk faster than Sam. Right? I feel like I'm I think we both have nervous energy.

53:18

Well, you talk really fast at one and a half x? Yeah. That's fair. I can't believe people listen to this on on speed. This doesn't then make sense to me. Alright. I gotta go. I'll talk to you soon.

Well, you talk really fast at one and a half x? Yeah. That's fair. I can't believe people listen to this on on speed. This doesn't then make sense to me. Alright. I gotta go. I'll talk to you soon.

53:34

I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to.

I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to.

53:39

I put my all in it like the days off on a road. Let's travel never him back.

I put my all in it like the days off on a road. Let's travel never him back.

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