Encarta | I Spent 48 Hours With MrBeast To Learn Business From Him (#355)

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So he's got a runner. Basically, he's got a dude outside the house at all times, just sitting in his car,

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twenty four hours a day, It's a personal DoorDash. So if he ever needed something, I don't know if you noticed he was like, oh, I wanna play settlers of Khitan. So he's like, hey. Can you go get Khitan? The guy would just run to the store, go get Catan, and bring it back within fifteen minutes. What? He was outside our house. The whole time. And and he's outside the studio, wherever he goes,

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These two people are there, twelve twelve hour shift seats. So twenty four hours a day, he he's got somebody just watching his back.

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Alright.

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So I guess we we're all gonna we all wanna talk about the same thing. Right? Yeah. This is gonna be the Camp MFM

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recap episode.

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I'm pretty sure that's all we're gonna talk about because it was kind of amazing, and I got a lot of things to say. I have a lot of things to say. Let me set the background because you're the one who organized it. So I think you need a third party here. So basically a month ago,

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Sean said, I'm gonna organize a basketball

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weekend,

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and I want you to come and I'm gonna invite some other people. Please Venmo me eighteen hundred dollars and show up at this address at this time. That's pretty much all I knew about. I didn't know anything else. And I think it was three weeks in advance. Right? Yeah. Something like that. Three, four weeks in advance. And in between then, it got sort of canceled and put back on again because Why do you know that? First, I couldn't get anybody to come.

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I invited five people. The fur of the first five people, only one said yes. And I was like, yeah. Maybe maybe maybe this ID is only good in my head. And Ben, not producer, Ben, business partner, Ben, pushed it through. He was like, nah, I think we could do it. And then we ended up with, like, twenty seven people there. And oftentimes,

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When I'm saying Sean is doing x, y, and z, in reality, I mean Ben. So Ben was it seemed like was really the backbone here. You maybe had the idea. I don't know who had the idea, but Ben, Leevie was the guy, and he did a really good job. So, basically, three weeks out, it just says, hey, come to North Carolina,

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in Raleigh by near Duke, and we're gonna have a basketball camp and just show up. That's all I knew. And then I get an email. I booked my flight. I sent you eighteen hundred dollars I,

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I I

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a day before you send out who's coming, and it was like me and you, both Ben's,

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a couple Hubspot people like Jonathan, and then it was like Hassan Minhah Hassan

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Minhage.

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It was mister Beast, and it was like twenty other really amazing entrepreneurs and you rented out this

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shoot. I don't know. Like, basically,

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farm. It's like binary. Yeah. Yeah. With like a lake and a zip line going into the lake, And it was like twenty four entrepreneurs,

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and you hired this amazing basketball trainer who was also an entrepreneur. So he, like, fit in and was really insightful. And we,

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you had, like, you kinda half assed the incredibly unimportant things. Like, there was, like, when we went and played basketball, I was like, Hey, is there any food here? And you're like, well, there's just a bunch of boxes of cliff bars.

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And like, oh, okay. That's okay. I'm okay with half ass of that. Like, so anyway, we all stayed in these two Airbnb and just played, like, border games and, like, acted like twelve year olds for,

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like, two nights, and it was amazing. It was so cool.

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Yeah. It was basically a summer camp for grown ups.

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And,

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the origin of it is pretty simple. Like, I like I love meeting new people, I should say. I actually genuinely love meeting new people. In fact, the podcast was originally started as a excuse

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to just get to talk to really fascinating, interesting people.

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But I hate most of the traditional ways to do it. I don't like going to conferences. I don't like going to networking events.

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I hate just being like, hey, you wanna grab coffee.

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So so I basically was like, look, there's a bunch of people who I think are dope

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I would love to hang out with them, get to know them, you know,

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strangers become friends, friends become lovers, that whole thing. And then finally,

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I was like, what if I just did it instead of a networking event or a conference? Like, what if we just did it with something that,

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it would be dope no matter who came. And so we were getting this idea for a basque get away. And we're like, alright. Here's the criteria. They love basketball.

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Number two, they're a great hang and number which is just great hang out with. And number three, that they can teach us something because they're a baller in their own craft, whatever that craft is. And so that's why we had people in the house that had built billion dollar companies We had people who bootstrapped their way into, you know, tens of millions, and that's where they were. We had people that were entertainers like mister Beast or Hudson, who had millions and millions of fans and were creative talents. We had people that used to be in the NSA. We had a bunch of people from different backgrounds come up and, and joined this thing. So that was the criteria

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And that's basically how it played out. And I'm pretty sure, by the way, that it was the best weekend of Ben's life. Like, Ben, I don't know if you're a married of Ben Wilson. I don't know if we got married over the weekend, but I wanna talk about Ben. I wanna talk about Ben in the middle or the end, but I have a feeling. I told Ben before we recorded. I go, Ben, the next six months in your life are I think are gonna have the most change you've ever experienced in your life. Totally agree. Totally agree with

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that. In fact, I was gonna text you something very, very similar, which is, like, I don't know if you realize this yet, but your life is about to change, because you can't really go through,

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You can't just be surrounded by wildly ambitious people who like and believe in you.

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And

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spend time, you know, seeing other people who have realized their dream come true

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and not go back to your house and look at yourself a little differently in the mirror. Like, you're gonna look at yourself and be like, alright. Let's turn that ambition knob up two notches. Right? Let's let's turn that faith and belief in myself up because I saw that these people are no harder better than me. They're just people like me. There's they just went for it. Dude, in all the You're gonna go chugging up. All those, quote, smarter, quote, better, quote, more successful people. We're looking up to them.

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Did you notice that?

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Yeah. And what well, there was just a feeling of I I wouldn't even say looking up necessarily as more equals. I think everybody everybody there viewed themselves as an equal to everybody else. I'm sure everybody there had a moment where they were like, dude, I'm way out of place. Some people are like, at the basketball, they're like, oh, you know, I I play basketball, but I'm not really like that into basketball. So some people maybe felt out of place there a little bit. Some people felt out of place in the house because they didn't know anybody. They saw everybody else, you know, Half the people knew the other half, but but some people knew nobody coming in. And half the peep and then some people I bet fell out of place because they said, wow, I'm talking to this guy who's,

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you know,

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leaps and bounds further ahead in their business career, but everybody had to deal with that and then come to terms with that. I think that's, you know, part of part of the part of the challenge. So say your piece, Ben, and then I wanna actually wanna come back to you. And then me and Sean, Sean, I wanna go, like, you go, I go, you go, I go of, like, the things that we learned this weekend because I know that you have a list and I have a list.

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Yeah. Great. So Ben, do a quick one first.

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There's just so much to say. It was one of the best weekends of my life. It's so amazing. I Sean, I just I guess I would ask. There's, like, a really special feeling that is very difficult to convey,

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throughout the entire weekend. You guys touched on it a little bit. I've just

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like, no egos, even though people were at very different places, like,

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there was just this really feeling

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of openness and connection and, like, even though there were these really, really successful people in all these different domains, like very little dick swinging, like everyone just,

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on the same level learning from each other. It was very cool. Sean, like, what do you think it was that went into this weekend that created that environment where people were able to, like, feel that way and be that way with each other?

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I think it's three things. You actually mentioned two of them. First was the weekend felt very special. And I think that with you When people feel like they're a part of something bigger than themselves,

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when people, have a little bit of awe or intrigue or curiosity or fear even,

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they get out of their out of their comfort zone. And so part of it was if you make something that that feels special, that feels different, that inspires some awe or some They they they don't know what's coming next.

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It brings everybody back to sort of like an equal footing of the sort of a childlike thing. I remember

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when

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so we invited Alex Basel, who's a trainer to to a bunch of NBA stars, like Kyrie Irving and Trey Young, and this guy's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, the top of his craft. He trains, like, he came from training, like, you know, Kevin Durant to us. He sent us a clip. He's like, here's what I was doing today. Tomorrow, I'll be seeing you schmucks and, like, right, like, you know, but that first five minutes, I would say, when he had us doing very simple, like, drills. Everybody was spread out this whole private gym that we had rented, and we're all literally dribbling the ball almost accidentally in unison, like that old Nike commercial where all the the thing the beats sync sync up.

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There was little pockets, little moments like that where it just felt special. And,

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you know, so so I think that's the first piece is you gotta give people a feeling that they're part of something bigger than themselves. Number two.

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You invite people who are inherently curious.

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So Everybody there, I would say it actually has an ego. Everybody there has an ego. Otherwise, they wouldn't get to where they were. But bigger than their ego is their curiosity.

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And so as long as you can create the curiosity factor where who's this person? Oh, they're interesting. Oh, they're interesting. They're interesting. Then again, the attention go they're so used to attention being on them. They're so used to being the most interesting person in the room. So you want people who are naturally curious about the people around them. So even the sort of celebrities or kind of the big hitters that we had in the house that were maybe the the wealthiest or the most popular people that were there

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I picked specifically people that in my limited interaction with them, they were very curious. Like, for example,

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when you had first met Mr. Because you met him before we did, You were like, yeah. He just called me. And he was like, yeah. I'm on this walk. I do this every night. I just call somebody and say, yo, teach me something.

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And they say, alrighty. I know everything I need to know about this person. Same thing. When Hudson came on the the podcast, he asked me more questions than I asked him. I felt bad afterwards. I was like, dude, I just blew the podcast. Because he was asking me questions. I'm supposed to ask him, nobody gives a shit about me. They wanted to know from him. But that showed me, like, he would fit into this group because He would be curious about, oh, what's this real estate guy doing? What's this guy doing? Who's rolling up, like, those claw machines at amusement parks and pinball machines, And like, that's what this guy does, and he's building a little mini empire doing that. Right? You need somebody who's curious. Otherwise, they would just be like, that's weird. I don't know. Stay away from me. Right? You're different. K. What's your third? I would say the third was the immersion. So

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it wasn't, like, you couldn't jit away. For better or for worse. Like, normally, you go to a dinner. You sit there for three hours. It's sort of a safe space. You know the routine, and then you leave, and you get to go back to your place. So you you can stay surface level with a lot of people. With this, it's like, dude, I'm sleeping in the same room as somebody else sometimes. Definitely under one roof for the house. Eating breakfast together, lunch together, dinner together, we're figuring out logistics. You wanna shower first or meet? So you get people out. Dude, I share a room with two other guys. Yeah. Exactly. I think Ben shared a bed.

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Yeah, Ben. I Ben had an It was our crashers. So I think he had to you you invited him, so you had to deal with that. Yeah. That's right. But I think that's the other thing. Is so immersive that there's nowhere to run. And at some point, you're gonna just be your real self. Because you can only fake the funk for so long. You can do it for two hours, three hours, four hours. By hour five,

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you're just gonna be sitting there, you know,

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tired and cranky, and you're gonna be your real self. And, like, that's just the way it was. So I think that those are the three things I would say that, like, created that environment.

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Well, and I was gonna say it started from the top down. I mean, I would I would say mostly it was your brand partially. It was the brand you and I have created together, which is actually similar to both our personalities, but basically, like, you're a casual person.

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You're a relatively low eagle person as in, like, you're easy to be around, and it kinda stemmed from from from that. So I think that actually matters a lot.

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And it was, like, the house we are in was kinda like gross, but in a cool way. Like, people on my Twitter. We're like, dude, that's a sick set. You made it look like a grandma's house. I'm like, oh, no. That's just like this woman's,

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bedroom.

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It just looked like that. Alright. Can we get into, like, some of the stuff? I've got one. Do you wanna go first? I I've got one on the -- You can go first. -- density. Alright. So alright.

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So for the if you're under thirty five and you maybe don't know who mister Beast is, he's a YouTuber who's only twenty four maybe. He's got a hundred million subscribers

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really big business that makes nine figures a year and he just makes tons of videos that gets viewed by

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a lot of the world. So I have an interesting story about him. So we were in a car. And I was talking about like a popular band or politics or something. I think we're even talking about a movie like Harry Potter, and I could tell that he didn't he wasn't registering what we were talking about. He was trying to partake in the conversation and be polite, but I could tell that he didn't he didn't like know what I was saying. And I said something to him, like, oh, hey, have you ever heard about this thing? And I think it was, like, Harry Potter or something, or it was, like, something, like, mainstream.

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And he goes, No. I I really I just I just don't know anything about that. I've never seen that. And I could tell that he didn't know this about a lot of things. And I said, what's going on? How do you not know about this? He goes, when I was young, I made a goal when I was fifteen, when I was young, fifteen, I made a goal to be the most popular YouTuber in the world. And I pretty much stop paying attention to everything else. So if whatever you're talking about is not part of like a YouTube culture, I don't know what it is. And that was incredibly interesting. To me. And he said a few other things that showed his intensity. The the second thing was,

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he said,

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I've gotten so big and I'm like, studied and gotten great at my craft that I can't really learn too much from other YouTubers. So I talked to a lot of experts on human behavior and researchers.

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In order to improve my craft. And also, I don't really have work weeks. So I just kinda work and I get obsessed over stuff and I roll out of bed at ten or eight AM or whenever it is. And my team, like, tells me what I have to do. And then I just work all night until I get tired and then go to bed, and I work seven days a week. And then occasionally, I get burnt out and I take a couple days or however long I need to recharge. And then I do it again. I don't pay attention to, the normal work week. The third thing that he did was he didn't care about rules. So Sean and I did a podcast with him at about a it ended at like eleven PM. And Hassan made a joke, like, you wanna play ball at

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Jimmy was like, mister Beasley's real name is Jimmy. He goes,

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yeah, let's go right now. And as he said that, his two coworkers that were with him, started getting on the phone, calling high schools, principles of schools, like all these people in order to get a basketball court, and we couldn't we couldn't make it happen But he was, like, really, really, going after that to make that happen. And I thought that was crazy interesting. And once someone said something to him, someone said something like, well, what if they, like, don't let us for insurance reason? He goes, just tell him I'll give him a million dollars if someone gets hurt. And it was just so funny that he wasn't paying. He he goes, that usually does the trick. Yeah. I was like, how many times have you done this, bro? He just didn't pay attention to to rules. I thought that was interesting. Now, I'm gonna con contrast that with this, other person. I'm not gonna say his name, know who I am, who I'm talking about. He was a young guy in his thirties. He might have been the wealthiest person there, and he wholly owned a business that was worth probably five hundred to eight hundred million dollars. And it made tens of millions,

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a year in profit. And he basically told me that he worked really hard to get it going, but now he works one week a month.

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One week. And then the other week a month, he likes to travel. And then the other two weeks of the month, he's just kinda searching. So his company, he owns a bunch of companies. The other two weeks, he just online searching for other deals and companies to buy, but at a fairly casual pace. And I thought this was interesting because these two guys were the exact opposite of when you meant them. One guy, you'd be like, oh, you're easy to be around your well balanced. The other guy, Jimmy, not well balanced at all.

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But both of them had this laser focused intensity of when they're on, they're on, and they played,

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their game at a really, really high

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highly levered, so lots of leverage,

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at that type of scale where it was just like anytime, if I make a decision, the outcome is potentially big, and I don't always have to make a lot of decisions.

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I agree with everything you just said. And in fact, I think we could probably do two episode series literally just on mister Beast because,

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and I and I don't mean that because I'm a fan. Like, in fact, I I I watched some videos. I I watched some after.

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I like yeah. I've I've watched a couple of his videos. It's not like I went in being like, oh, this guy's my favorite, you know, like, it's not that. Right? Like, I watched a couple videos. It's like, oh, okay. I get it. That's cool. I get why that works. But, like, you know, whatever. It's kind of a dumb

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you know, kind of a dumb video thing, but it's, like, you know, it appeals to people. It's good good. It's good good fun. And,

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So it's not that, but I am

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now a much bigger fan of him after seeing how he operates. I'm gonna tell you a couple stories. So you didn't go for this, but a couple of us who arrived the day before,

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Ben was there. We got to go visit his studios, and we got to go tour his production facility, which is like, I don't know, how big is that place? Like, fifty thousand square feet or something like that? Like, basically an airplane hangar. Right? Imagine a giant airplane hangar. And on one end, they're like, oh, we're building this set over here. Hollywood production thing. So there's four production teams, like individually that are each creating different videos at the same time because they're all gonna get you know, next month or whatever it is. And you're like in rural North Carolina.

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People make this pilgrimage out to go see Warren Buffett. And they call him the oracle of Omaha.

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And I was like, man, we're and we were driving we're making this pilgrimage. We're driving two hours after we we flew six hours to get there. Yeah. But I was like, where are we? And where are we going for this pilgrimage?

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And I was like, and so we get out there. But it's, like, had that same thing. Very special. You go there and it's, like, this group of people who are all singularly focused on one mission. Which was to create the best videos possible to create the best videos that get the biggest reactions that, you know, like and that's all they were all doing. Twenty four seven, they were all just working on that. So I'm gonna tell you a couple of of kind of amazing stories from that.

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So we go first of all, we get into one of his videos. So in one of his videos, like, they're filming the grand finale when the person, you know, either wins or loses the money. And, so we're, like, in that video

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now, as just like random bystanders. But the second thing was we were like, so what is your,

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like, what's your model, dude? And his model is basically this.

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Started off making videos with no money. Just him and his bedroom doing

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dumb stuff like, I'm gonna say Logan Paul's name one hundred thousand times. I'm gonna take this plastic knife and I'm gonna cut through. I'm gonna saw through this plastic table in the next forty eight hours. He just sat there taking a jagged, you know, picnic, like, you know, plastic knife and trying to cut through the table. He would just do stuff like that. No budget, no whatever, but he knew he understood even at that time, like,

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Okay. What would get somebody's attention? What would make them laugh? What would make them watch? What's a little bit of a spectacle?

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Low budget spectacles. Now he's doing high budget spectacles. Like, we get there. There's a camera flying above us. There's fireworks and smoke bombs, and there's crazy stuff going on. Right? Because now he's investing think on average, Ben, what is it? Like, half a million or a million dollars? No. I think I said one point five. One point five. Yeah. One point five million dollars per video just on the production.

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That's kind of insane. And so,

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the thing I admired the most about him was

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Okay. In that house, there was, let's say, twenty five. Oh, everybody there was entrepreneurial.

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So if I said, who here

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is entrepreneurial.

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How many out of out of, let's just pretend out of a hundred percent, how many people would raise their hand? Almost all? Okay. Hundred. We write a hundred out of a hundred. I said Who here has a clear vision of what they want. Now how many people do you think are raising their hand? Sixty.

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Okay. Maybe seventy.

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Who here can think about that vision and can honestly say that it is wildly ambitious. Like, mister Beast's ambition

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is to be, you know, a billionaire YouTube creator to get to a billion followers and make billions of dollars. He has told me that he wants to be one of the richest men on the planet, the most famous person on the planet, and president. So, okay, that's his ambition. What's yours? Right? So, how many could just say in their own right that I'm thinking really big? I'm thinking wildly ambitious. We're at sixty percent where are we at now. Maybe twenty.

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We're down to twenty percent.

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And now if I ask the last question, the most important question of them all. I said,

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who here

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is truly and totally obsessed.

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Meaning,

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you are willing to give every hour of your day, every dollar you create you're willing to reinvest back into your thing. You don't take anything off the table. You don't hedge, you don't buy that nice house, you don't buy those fancy cars, you don't put it away for for your kids, You you wake up, you do your thing till you pass out, and you are getting every hour, every dollar, and every ounce of your soul to that ambition. Many peoples are left? How many what percent are left raising their hand? How many people He might be the only one. And I would say, well, it's also because he was the youngest.

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But that could just, you know, it could play out where even if he's not the youngest, he still would have behaved that way. He would be the only one. And that's not just about that house. I could go down into San Francisco, I could say, hey, gather around every venture backed founder here. I could go into,

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every I can go to a, a gymnasium full of people who all they wanna be a big YouTuber. I'll say they wanna be a comedian, ironically.

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This isn't necessarily a good thing. It could be a good thing. It could also, I think, be his downfall.

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I think it's an incredible thing. I don't necessarily mean it's a healthy thing, but I think it it was honestly just kinda stunning. Oh, oh, yeah. I, like, it it was absolutely stunning. I agree with you. But I but I'm saying it it it could go either way. It could be, you know, the strength could become the weakness. There's a reason most people don't do it. I think is what you're saying, which is like there's a price that comes with that. And that price is a price that most of us will not pay. What do you say? Think Ben?

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I just think there's a couple things he said throughout the weekend that I was like, Oh, this guy is so successful, but to Sam's point, like, he's on a knife's edge. If you play out his life a hundred times, I think in, like, twenty five or thirty of him, literally ends up on the street as just like an addict because he does have that obsessive personality. And if he had ended up for whatever reason obsessed with not the right thing, that's the way it would have gone. I also think that If he if he if we have a list of, like, I have a list of, like, three things that might be his downfall. Keep in mind, the guy is, like, twenty four. So he's gonna evolve quickly.

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But one, he was incredibly naive about business, which is actually a pro, I think, in a lot of cases. But in his case,

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I think that, like, you have to get a little bit less naive and learn a little bit more about business. You know, the thing you said about him cutting through a table with a plastic knife, that's kinda how he's done his life. He's just like

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you know what I mean? Like, he's just like brute forces way, and I think that's great. That can get you a long way. But in order to last, and be as big as he wants to be, like a Bezos, you gotta have a little bit more, sophistication as you grow. He's got plenty of time, though. The second thing is hiring. I think that, he kinda told stories that it made me seem it made it seem like he just hired his friends, and it's like, hey,

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You're fun. You wanna do this?

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That I don't think that's gonna cut it either. And then the third thing is company building. We asked him on the pod about, like, work hours and about, like, meetings. And it,

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he I I actually don't remember if he did I don't think he did a great job of answering it, but the vibe that I got was it was, like, a little bit, like, just whatever Jimmy wants, Jimmy gets. And I think that's okay for a little but in order to be as big as he wants to be, you gotta have a little bit more company building, a little more process oriented, things like that, that are kind of the antithesis

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of, like, being a cool YouTuber in in many regards.

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So I'll disagree with you on a couple of those. I think that

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First of all, I think he's twenty four. So I remember when I was twenty four twenty four, I became a CEO for the first time of, like, a real company, a company that had revenue and,

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employee that were not, like, my two best friends from college.

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And

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where he's at at twenty four and where I was at at twenty four,

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is like if me and you saying boat go and run a race. It's like there were there is such a,

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like, on one hand, he's sitting in a room. I think they know, the oldest person in our our group was maybe forty three and the, you know, I would say the average age is maybe, like, thirty four, thirty five, something like that, probably something like that. By the way, I'm not insulting him. I'm in credibly impressed. Right. So I just think where he's at on the learning curve. Like, yeah, there is no shortcut to the learning curve. You gotta learn all these lessons, but where he's at is actually pretty far along. And the brute force approach actually works. Like you said, there is a strength to that. And I and I think that if you're just what he's if you're doing what he's doing, which is you're just like

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effort. I'm doing it. I'm holding nothing back. I'm gonna go all in, and I'm gonna repeatedly go all in until this, like, just I just find a way to make this work.

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I think that overcomes a lot of the, like,

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mistakes you're gonna make. Right? Maybe for the first, maybe for the first billion or two.

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

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I I I think that that is a great attitude. And what he proved is that you could have that attitude for,

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like, late stage. In in your career, even though he's twenty four. Like, he's got late stage in terms of results, even though he's probably in ten percent, the hundred percent. In most cases, he's late he's late stage. But,

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in order to get as big as he wants, he said he wanted to build multiple,

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ten billion even, I think he said a hundred billion dollar company. You know, that's we're talking Walmart. You know, like, you you you you can't always bet the farm at that size. And I'm gonna be honest with you. I had an initial reaction to him that was sort of like

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There was a part of me that was like, ah, fuck this guy. Right? And not because he did anything bad. He's totally nice, but there was something that was, like, his ambition is almost uncomfortable.

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To where you're comfortable. Where you're like, I'm not talking to somebody who's who's they don't live in the same reality that I live in.

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And so my initial reaction was like, okay. You're saying things that don't either they don't make sense or it's like

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two, like, one-sided or it's like just, like,

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pure unadulterated,

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like, raw ambition.

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And there's something uncomfortable about that because I kinda like people that are, like, Like, one of the things I admire is people who are well balanced. So I I told him this when I was talking to him, I was like,

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he was basically like, I admire Elon, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos. I was like, these are the people that I admire. I'm like them. I'm wired like them, and I like to hang out with people like them. And I go, yeah, I'm not like them.

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I were on the phone, and now there's, like, you know, like, a ten second uncomfortable silence. Because it was true. It was like, what am I gonna do? P pretend I am? No?

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I could just, you know, I'm gonna say what's real. And I was like, you know, I was like, that doesn't mean I'm not ambitious. My I just point my ambition at a different outcome.

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Those guys all created, like, world changing.

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Like, they were they became the wealthiest men on earth. They,

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created, like, you know, world changing, like, spectacles, like landing rockets on, you know, self landing rockets, self driving cars, electric cars, all this crazy stuff. Right?

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Created the iPhone. So those people, they were wildly ambitious that way. There are other people that are wildly ambitious in other ways. I said, you know, like somebody I look up to, I model myself after is like Naval. I think he's really successful in business, but also

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he's revered because of his wisdom, not because he created the iPhone.

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Right? Like, You know, he hasn't gone through five marriages and breakups and, like, you know, he hasn't, like, been bankrupt and then back to the top and then is depressed, but he's super successful. I was like, to me, that's not winning. I get it. And for other people, there is winning. I'm glad there's people who think that's winning because they're the ones who are gonna create the next iPhone and create the next Tesla.

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But I just was explaining that to him, And I think that that was the only I don't actually think he's naive about business. I don't actually think about anything. I just think, like, when you when you have your play style, it's very sexy to be like,

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My play style is the play style. My my play style is the is the cool one and all the other ones are weak for these other reasons. And I think as people get older, they really start to respect other people's play styles. I think this has happened for most of the people I I really get along with where they're like,

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It's like, yeah, they can admire a billionaire as much as they can admire a single mother because they're like, dude, these are just different games, but I really I can Right. Right. Right. Right. I can admire and not in, like, a token

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just saying the right thing kind of way. Like, they truly feel it in their heart. Like,

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Like, you know, like, they truly feel that, wow, what you're doing is your Super Bowl and I respect the way you approach your Super Bowl and your Super Bowl is just as valid as my Super Bowl. For one helpful. That that's a great way to put it. The way that I also put it is I say I don't care about money. I care about people who, like, actualize their dreams. Their dream could be to be the best parent. The dream could be to be a billionaire. It could be to be an athlete, to be strong, to be skinny. I don't care what exactly your dream is. I just wanna see you achieve it, and that makes me happy when I see someone going places. And it just so happens

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that money and traditional success is a very practical way to measure that or to, like, achieve it. Like, it just says, like, well, I just do this business thing as opposed to being the best parent. It's a little bit more challenging, but Yeah. I I I completely agree with you. We have another friend, or I have a friend. You, you've met him. I don't know if you, I don't know if you love the guy or hate the guy because he all is uncomfortably ambitious. He remember he came to a dinner with us. I don't wanna say his name, but, he came to a dinner with us once, and you could describe your impression of him, but he he's also embarrassed to be around

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I met him when he was nineteen twenty, something like that. And he,

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at that time, was basically, like, yeah, I'm, like, I'm gonna be a billionaire, multi billionaire,

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just a matter of, like, you know, is it at twenty five or twenty six, twenty seven? But I I don't know when. And,

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Well, I was like, so do you date? He's like, no, I'm just gonna wait till I'm a billionaire that I'm gonna date, like, you know, the hottest woman on earth who's also, like, you know,

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loves me and is, like, the heir to the throne somewhere. Right? Like, he's, and he's, like, I'm I'm just going for a twelve. And he's, like, you know, time we have a multi billionaire, then I'm gonna date this twelve and marry her. And then I'm gonna have, like, all these children, and then my children are gonna do this. And they're like, And I was just like, wow. That's like, you know,

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and and, like, if somebody else was, like, really excited about their thing that's, like, kinda small, he'd be like, well, that's kind of a waste of time. Right? Like, you could just, why not just do something bigger that would make you more money? And, like, he's just so matter of fact, so black and white about it. Well, how's he doing? Is he in a way that's that's the way that's being rude? Like, he's not trying to be rude, but he just genuinely only obsesses over his thing. Which is in in his case, like,

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investing and being, like, the better investor in the Warren Buffett. He's like, you know, I've I've I've watched every video read every book by Warren Buffett, Ray Dahlia, all the greatest investors I've studied them. I'm just as good as them. Yeah. I'm I'm younger than them, but I'm just as good at them. In fact, I think I'll be better than them, you know, by the time I they're they're ninety. I'll be better. How's it going?

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I mean, who knows? I can only I literally could only check-in with them so often because

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If you talk to him too much, it's just like, oh, dude, like, I get my I get a headache. Like, a, I feel insecure because I'm not as ambitious.

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And then, b, I just get frustrated because I'm like, dude, come to reality.

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Like, you're floating away in your own bubble somewhere,

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but I like people like that. They those people also are, like, they serve a real place in my life. Can I can we can we can I bring up a different topic other than mister Beast really quick? That was subtle,

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but Crazy, fascinating.

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So Ben Levy invited this guy whose Twitter handle is commodore.

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And commodore is famous,

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I guess, because he

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started a Dow and he's trying to buy an NBA team and he's raised tens of millions of dollars to do it.

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And I started talking to this guy, and we started talking about, you know, just all types of stuff. And I go, what's your name, by the way? And he goes, commodore. I go, oh, that's sick name. Like, why did your parents name you commodore?

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Well, I forget what it was. But he goes, oh, that's not my real name. I'm, I'm anonymous this weekend. I go, what? He goes,

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yeah. So, like, in order to get rid of in order not to have, like, some legal implications as and and I don't actually know what all the implications were. He goes, I'm just anonymous. And I does anyone here know who you are? He goes, no. No one here knows my real name.

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Ben Levy, the guy who invited me. He has no idea who I am or my name. And I was like, what? That's interesting. So I just called him commodore, and we talked about, like, family. We talked about his wife and children where he lived and how, like, you know, I am maybe familiar with that area. We talked about all these things and we got like thirty minutes to do a really deep conversation. I was like, what were you doing? What were you doing before this? He was like, oh, I was doing this, this, and this. I was like, oh, wow. That's amazing. What was it called? He goes, oh, I can't tell you I'll docs myself. And I was like, oh, and I I got that, and I, like, remembered we are anonymous. And I thought that was so fascinating. What did you think about that?

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I I don't know. Yeah. I didn't find it that fascinating, but now that you say it, I'm like, yeah, that was kinda crazy.

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Like, it didn't feel crazy. It it it didn't feel crazy. You people who have theirs you see people who have their, like, handle online, and that's their persona.

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But you're right? I've never actually just met one of those people in real life and have them just be like, yeah, that's just that's my identity. I've just given a like, I don't use my birth identity, my my legal identity, I use my online identity as my main identity. And I use If it's it if it's friends, yeah. Was something commodore?

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I called him commodore the whole time. I thought that was his go date for the first twenty four hours. Every time he walks over people, like, commodore, Hey, where's commodore? Is he ready to go? And it's like,

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That's not like who is this guy? Nobody here knows who this guy is, and we're all okay with it. That was kind yeah. You're right. That was kind of amazing. And I was like, can I just take a picture of you and, like, reverse searched us? He goes, you can, but you won't. I was like, you're right. I'm not going to. But, like, there was sort of a respect at some point. It's like, I'm not gonna try to know this. Because you're cool. And I don't need to why why would I do something you don't you're not comfortable with? You don't want that? Alright. I'm I'm I'm your friend. I'm not gonna do that to you. Dude, that was it was so weird at first. And then became completely normal. And now, and now I I totally get this a non thing. And, I asked him, I go, do your do your friends know who you are? No. He's like, they they a lot of them have just don't know what I do for work.

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So there was a a group of people there that are pretty interesting. So one guy who we both loved, who we did a pod with. So I I guess I'll explain the the rest of the setup. So,

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we did a couple other cool things. I thought. We had a chef who's there at the house just making all the meals. That was bronze, and nobody had to think about anything.

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We had,

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just cutting up fruit the whole time. We just had, like, trays of fruit

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and, like, snacks the whole time. I thought it was great. Yeah. Yeah. It was incredible. And then we had,

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Kevin Durant basically

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sent us, like, thirty pairs of his shoe.

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Everybody who

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got there. They got a pair of his shoes. We got a custom, like, shirt Jersey that said Camp MFM with your name on the back of your number. So people kinda had their, like, Jersey for the week and,

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we got, like, they also sent, like, Nike sent bags for us. So there was a couple things that were, like, cool, you know, why I was talking about the moments in between the moments We tried to have some moments in between the moments. It felt like Christmas morning, like, with all these shoes here. And we all, like, got there and, like, unwrapped them. It was really cool. Yeah. We all turned into little kids. We're like unboxing our thing and be like, oh, yeah. I got it. Like, you know, all these people could afford a thousand shoes a thousand times over, but, like, it just it's still great to just get a free cool thing that somebody sends you. Can I just say one cool thing you did, Sean, is that it wasn't all KDs? It was, like, Katies and a couple Kyries and some Lebron's. So it was fun to open up to be like, oh, which shoes did I get? Yeah. That was true. Did you ever find your shoes, by the way, Ben? I did.

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The the wrong shoe someone had just grabbed the wrong back. Dude, Ben came up to me and goes, I think someone stole my shoes. I was like, Ben, I don't think anyone stole your shoes. And I went and made an announcement. I go, Ben, it cannot find his shoes. If you found them, please give it back. And he goes, dude, someone totally jacked was like, Ben, no one stole your dentistry. We all just got like dozens of free ones.

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Some other great moments. So we

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We had gotten connected with the guys at at Duke because we're in North Carolina, and we had said, Hey, can we come, like, get a tour of the place? And they they did. So, basically, some of the former players who are now coaches,

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some of the current players basically came together and they,

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they took us out a tour of the practice facility. What did you think of that? By the way, you're not, like, like It was it was it was inspirational. It was obviously cool. So it was so cool. It was so awesome. So I don't know anything about basketball. I even made a joke when we walked in, I go, Ben, who's that dude? And it was coach k,

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I was like, yeah. So, like, I I don't really know anything about basketball, but it was inspirational because the coaches,

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the it's like the assistant coaches now. I think they are. They told stories about working with coach k who's, like, known for, you know, thirty years of excellence and tradition and, like, perfection. And he told they told some amazing stories, and it felt I did feel like I was in a,

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I don't know, holy place when I was there. So I wanna say, something about that too. So

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One of the players there,

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Emil Jefferson, who he he he was, on the championship team,

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maybe seven years ago. See, like, the coach, like, the guy leading tour. Yeah. He was the guy kinda telling the most stories. And I I just wanna give him shout out because, basically, they didn't know what the hell was going on neither did our group. All of a sudden, thirty people are standing face to face in this practice facility. It's like, so,

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okay. Who are you guys? And, like, what am I supposed to show What what are we doing here? And, like, I don't Dude, he totally waited. He did he did good. It also helped that we had mister Beast here and, Hassan, so everyone thought that, like, Oh, everyone else here must be famous too. I just don't recognize them. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's like,

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they didn't know we're all just prolific newsletter creators. Yeah.

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Podcasters and newsletter creators and then a couple actually famous people. Yeah. They ball, we blog.

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Exactly.

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So he tells the story, and I just gotta give him credit. Like,

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it's really hard

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tell, like, that was like a make or break moment. Do you have a story or do you not? And I just wanna encourage everybody to, like, have a story in your back pocket. Like, whatever the most common question you get, which is, like, in this case, what's coach k like? You know, what was it like playing here? What's it like, you know, whatever?

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And don't just be like, it was good, man. Really cool. Really special to be here. Yeah. It's I mean, it's just been awesome. I've learned so much. It's like, that's what I would say. Nine out of ten people would have done. He's like, you know, when I first got here, I thought it was hot shit.

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And then coach Ken was yelling at me yelling at me, man, and I was just I didn't know what to do. He's like, later on, I realized that once he stops yelling at you, that's what bad because that he's given up on you. But, like, you know, for that moment, he's like, in some practices and then you say he's at a counterintuitive thing. He's like, some practices he just sat there, man. He didn't say anything.

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The whole practice, he wouldn't say a word. And you just think, oh, man. He's just checked out. Like, he's not doing anything. Like, I don't know. It's weird. I guess he doesn't care right now. But then three weeks later, he would reference something that he was observing that day. And you're like, dude, you've been watching everything. You got, like, cameras in the walls and microphones. Like, how do you know all this stuff? It tells a story. He's we have this one little film room in the secret, like, because I see that wall right there. There's like a secret door. You go in there. There's a there's a film room right next to the practice gym. He's like, and he took me in there. He's like, come here. And I I go in there, and I hadn't been playing that well. And he takes me in. And there's, like, all these screens in there. He's like, and on all of the screens, it's just a picture of me. Like, various pictures of me all doing the same pose where I'm just sitting there like this. I'm, like, I'm exasperated. I'm, like, mad at the ref or my teammates or the coaches. And your hands are out. My hands are out. My hands are up. My palms are up. I'm, like, it's, like, the the y, like, type of, like, expression.

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And already, everybody's on the edge of their seat the story. Because we're, like, Hey. This is cool. This is interesting. I wanna know what was this about. He's like, he said, look look at this son.

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You're one of the leaders of this team.

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You look like a beggar.

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You're standing there with your palms out begging for a call from the referee begging for the coaches to help you begging for your teammates. So do something. He's like, You're a leader. I don't ever wanna see you look like a beggar again. He's like, don't don't do that. This is not the body language of a leader. My fig look at your face. Look at your hands. And And I was like, such a good story. Such a good story. He's like, for the rest of he's like, dude, rest of the season, you'll watch me. If something happens, I'm like, this. He's like, you know, it does a totally different pose. He's like, you'll never catch me doing that pose again. And I thought, a great way to connect with the group. Right? Like, we're all, like, kinda CEO leader types. So you tell a leadership story You tell a counterintuitive one, an entertaining

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one, and it's a happy ending. Right? And I just thought, man, he just killed it with that moment, and I just felt

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For myself, if I look at how I was hosting that weekend, I felt like if I was gonna level up how these things go, that's one thing I wanna work on is In those moments where you need to either make the toast, welcome everybody in, tell the story, get people primed for what we're about to do.

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Like, The difference in the whole experience can just be in that, like,

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two minutes story right before you start, and that's what I wanna get great at. Dude, let me tell you, what I another thing that was great about this event, and it involved it's all about you. And, again, when I say you and Sean, I'm actually meaning probably forty percent Sean, sixty percent Ben Levy.

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So basically,

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you I told you this, like, three times. You pulled this off

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perfectly. And you nailed

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the important stuff, and you failed and ignored the non important stuff. The non important stuff is the nice to haves that But here's the thing, most people would spend time on that. So you had no website.

40:41

You had no, like, invitation. You just DM people. You said Venmo me money. I didn't know what I was getting into, but I just trusted you. You

40:49

last minute sent us the address. So basically, like, on the way to the airport you told me the address of where I had to go to. I didn't know what time dinner was. I just know I had just some time throughout the day. Hopefully, I show up at this address and I and I and, like, hopefully, there's a place to sleep. All I did was I sent you money, and I told you my shoe size. That's all I did. And I showed up, and there was all of these amazing people there. You nailed it and you did it quickly and the Airbnb was perfect.

41:13

We had a chef there. That was perfect. The house pretty messy. Kinda does not not messy horribly, but almost, but borderline, like,

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this is disgusting.

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We go and play basketball a day and you have this amazing train painter at this awesome high school gym that was also perfect. But I'm like, alright, is there any, like, drinks here? Like, what do we what do we do? It's like, well, there's just a water fountain and some clip bars. And I was like, Okay. That's less than ideal. But you know what? That that doesn't matter because I I appreciate that you just, like, you just ordered this shit on Amazon. You go, but that's not the important shit. We're gonna focus on the important stuff. You had, we had a podcast studio there that was already set up, an important thing that we needed, and it was, like, kinda like a little hoodie, a little hood rat set up. And it was fucking perfect. It was exactly what we needed. One, like, the the the people that you selected were awesome. We didn't do any, like, real introductions

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We just hung out. And you just you did I think if you're executing on a project, what you did this weekend was a perfect example of just getting the main things right now in the future, maybe you'll know or maybe you'll want to like, alright, you know, we should actually have, like, people didn't, like, eat this type food. We should not do that this time. And like, that's the unimportant stuff, though. And it was perfect. I I don't even remember what we ate. I think it was just like hot dogs and chicken and salmon. Like, none none fancy. That wasn't the important part. The important part that we all just sat around in the kitchen and just told stories.

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Yeah. The,

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I the

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I I really wanna do more of these in the future because a was just like a dope life experience, and b it kinda merged a bunch of things into one. It's like if I ever need a vacation.

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But I also wanna, like, hang out with cool people do networking or go to a conference. But, also, I wanna, like, do other stuff besides business with my life. And so with this, it was like, got a vacation,

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got to hang out with a bunch of people. Some I knew, and some I didn't know half. I knew half. I didn't know. And the third was do something fun. Like, oh, wow. I got to train with an NBA trainer and, like, play pick up basketball. Like, that was just, like, that was a blast. We got to play inside Cameron indoor stadium at Duke. Like, there was just, like, a whole bunch of dope things that were that were happening with that. And you have to tell the stories. So basically, we're at Cameron indoor. We're at this, like, you know, holy ground. And I don't know how it happened, but basically,

43:23

mister Beast, but he actually did this twice. He goes, I'll give you a hundred thousand dollars if you can make this half court shot now. And this was the day prior, and I think you missed it. But then the second time at Duke, he goes, first one that makes it I said it to him. I said it to him. So I go

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I go, Jimmy. How about a I I go, Jimmy. How about this?

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Because I know he's once I once I got to know him a little bit, I was like, oh, he's me. He's like a bit of a degenerate gambler. Like, he loves

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to gamble. He loves action.

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And, and he's he's also always trying to ratchet up

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the, like, intensity and awesomeness of the situation.

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So it's, like, if the situation is here, but it the the level can be raised, I think most people talk themselves out of that. He's immediately like, oh, level can be raised. Raise the levels, raise the levels. Everybody. Like, oh, like, you know, it'd be like, oh, you guys wanna play board game? And then he'd be like, let's go, like, right now, do a tournament with the best board game and, like, do this, do this thing. Oh, you wanna play basketball? I don't care if it's one AM. Let's find a gym. We're gonna go play it right now. I was talking to him how I love Coke Zero and he goes, let's go right now and go buy a bunch. And we I was like, alright. Cool. So we just went to the store and bought Coke Zero. He's like, I've never had it before. I want, I wanna see what this is about. I I know I have no input. Like, it was like, oh, there's some cool people here. You'll get to know him. You'll enjoy this. He goes, who's cool? I was like, like, all these people. He's like, Okay. Hey. Come sit over here. I wanna talk to you. And he was like, put somebody in the hot seat and he'd be like, who who are you? What are your what's your story? And he would listen to them for five minutes. He'd be like, wow. Alright. Awesome. Hey, who else is you? Come here. Come here. No. No. No. So I'm serious. Come sit in the seat. And and it's, like, I was, like, wow. This guy will always try to, like, ratchet the intensity. Again, in a great way. So we're at we're at Duke, and we're just getting a tour. They had just finished like a volleyball game. The hoops weren't even down. They were, like, raised up to the rafters.

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And I go, Jimmy,

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a bunch of thousand dollars, I can hit a half course shop before you.

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He goes, nah, ten thousand.

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I was like,

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deal. I was like, hey, to to the Duke guys. I was like, any chance you can, like,

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set up the court real quick? Yeah. I just bet mister Beast ten grand, I can make the shot before he does. And they're like, no, we're not supposed to, but I kinda wanna see this ten grand. Alright. And again, the world he again, the reality was we weren't even supposed to have gotten in there in the first place. All the hoops are gone. There was another game gonna, like, somebody else is coming on the court soon. And

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reality has no bearings on what what he wants. Like, the world will shift to what he basically. And so sure enough, all of a sudden, the hoops getting come down ball appears out of nowhere, and we're doing this thing. There's like a circle around us. And now I'm like, oh, shit. I I gotta hit this shot.

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And,

45:53

took you, like, four times.

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Yeah. Basically, two or three two or three attempts No, you know, come up close, but not quite. And also, you could feel in the moment that, like, okay. Well, if this takes a while, something that was really dope is about to turn really lame to let somebody if you ever watch a slam dunk, it says performance nine times in a row. Yeah. Like, there's a performance here. So I was like, I better make this shit. And,

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sort of, chewed it, hit it. We get it on video. I went ten grand. And, Can he give you the money?

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No. He has a pay via. I he I gave him my he's like, you want it in Bitcoin, or he's like, or maybe I'll send ten thousand in pennies to your house,

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you know, just like in a giant path And he goes, he goes, by the way, that will cost me two thousand dollars to ship because he's done that before. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. He knows the logistics of this. Man, what did you think of I have a penny guy. Well, yeah, he does. What do you what did you think of Sean's execution? Did I nail it?

46:43

Yeah. Yeah. I think you were a hundred percent right.

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Nailed execution.

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Yeah. Like I said,

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just everything about it was Perfect. Sean, do you think it's something like,

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could you just copy and paste it, or does it need to be different every time in order to create that feeling of it being special?

47:04

I think you could copy paste eighty percent of it and you would change twenty.

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And so I think that that would be the plan. I I wanna basically so I just bought

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a domain. I'm putting up a website today, m f m camp dot com.

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And I'm gonna put the pictures from this one. I just kinda wanna make a blog of where this was, but I'm put a form on there for people who wanna come to this in the future. Because half the people who came to this, I didn't know they had reached out. I don't I don't think the idea. I think you should let people apply, but I don't think I you gotta keep it like, twenty, twenty five people in, like, you know, unfortunately, really exclusive. I'm gonna do two versions. I'm gonna do the exclusive one, which is Like, basically, it's it's hitters only. Right? No small boy stuff there.

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That's what this one was like. Right? Twenty twenty, twenty five people in the room, everybody had their claim to fame, whatever it may be. Right? Like, we had one guy Al who's built the biggest quilt company in the world. They do over a hundred million dollars a year selling quilt you know, patches and accessories and stuff like that. And it's like, that's his that's his, and he he bought a town, and he's making it like the quilting set, like, the quilting hub of America, like a tour destination for quilters everywhere. Like, the guy's crazy, but he's totally different than the next guy who's done it in a different area. Right? So,

48:12

so I'm gonna do

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one or two of these a year that are the small twenty person type of events. I might even go smaller. I might even go fifteen. I think this was too many people. And,

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then I also wanna do one that's, like,

48:26

one notch less. The d league? Yeah. That is it's not the d. It's more like the b, the b league. Right? It's, like, But these are people who are they get our culture. They listen to the show. Is it, like, development league isn't, like, the NBA? Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It did they changed the g league now because d sounded bad. But but, basically,

48:44

that I wanna do, like, a thousand person or five hundred person or something bigger. Maybe not five maybe not that big. Maybe two hundred. But that'll be like a retreat somewhere. It's less intimate, less exclusive,

48:54

but it's still people who are they're all on preneurs. They're all they've all made their first million, right, according to the podcast. They all listen to the pod. They get the jokes. They get the humor. They get the style. So when they show up, They know the vibe. The vibe the vibe should be immaculate from day one. And that's what I that's what I wanna do. So I've that's what I'm thinking of doing out of this.

49:12

What do you think of that idea?

49:13

Yeah. I think it's awesome. I I I told Kip the CMO of HubSpot. I go Kip.

49:19

Sean just did this on his own, but,

49:21

like, you gotta

49:23

carve out some budget and just let us let us or let him have this money. And and we gotta make this happen. This is magical. And he's like, dude, I followed all your guys' picture in Instagram from this. This is amazing. We're in. And, yeah, dude, I thought it was awesome. I I think it's a really good idea. You should do a bigger one. That bigger one the bigger one will be freaking exhausting, but, it'd be fun.

49:45

Yeah. Totally. I hate events, but the fact I still wanna do this, even though I hate events, shows me that it's like a good thing to do.

49:52

Okay. So those were a couple of the things. Can I share a couple of the other kind of like

49:57

takeaways or anecdotes?

49:59

So,

50:00

one takeaway,

50:02

a lot of people there,

50:04

like, we're pretty

50:07

I'll call it, like, straight narrow now. Like, it's, like, a lot of the conversations were, like, about their kids.

50:13

They it wasn't like it wasn't a ton of alcohol needed for the, like Dude, I don't think The social Like, you know, socializing.

50:20

Nick had, like, a whiskey and, like, maybe other people had, like, a beer, but there was virtually no alcohol, no drugs.

50:28

At worst, it was, like, some tobacco, and that was it.

50:32

And we played board games. That was you. That was just That was me. No. That was you. Very he he he smoked a cigar. Austin Reeves smoked smoked a cigar.

50:40

Yeah.

50:41

Yeah. Sure. I'm gonna read this. So Nick, who's sweaty startup on Twitter. He go he wrote a blog post. Did you read this thing? He goes, I spent the weekend with multi millionaires. Here's what I learned. And he goes, we organized this thing, blah, blah, blah, and he goes, he he texted, his wife after he put a screenshot up. He goes, I'm very inspired by a lot of the guys here. Some incredible deep conversation with some spec spectacular people. A few things I am ready to change right away. Number one, I want a therapist. Number two, I wanna bring energy to the kids. I think I need to disconnect from the phone to do that. Number three, I want to drink less alcohol. Number four, I'm ready to bring a positive mindset to being a family man and a dad. And nurture that garden in the same way that I've nurtured business and social.

51:17

Number five. What else are honoring you, like, treating, like, the queen that you are. So lucky to have Right? It's like, whoa, like, you know, those are some, you know, come to Jesus, you know, sort of thoughts, and I'm glad that, you know, he had that impression. And so he said something. He goes, he goes, here's my takeaways. He goes, we're all dorks. He goes, I was expecting a room full of giants, people with charisma, blah blah blah. He's like, Don't get me wrong. Some people could tell great stories, but for the most part, everyone's just normal and have, like, overcome odds. They were just smart storytellers who were really obsessed with their thing. Now, number two. Yeah. We we played, like, board games and we, like, went swimming. Like, it was, like, children stuff that were already

51:52

He goes, we all suffer with insecurity fear of failure and a general emptiness at times because I talked to a few guys who enjoyed their success more than five years ago, have been worth twenty plus in for a long time, and they spoke about business as an unhealthy addiction, how it leaves them searching for more and empty feeling after an exit. Others others talked about their nagging ego and need for more and bigger. Others discussed a constant fear that their career,

52:11

about their career, that they weren't worthy or didn't have, have what it took, and just general insecurity.

52:16

Another one. They had lots of kids. A lot of guys spend a lot of time talking about their kids, and and and how they spend a lot of energy in this area.

52:23

Most of the folks spent a lot of good time talking about how they're trying to raise good kids.

52:28

How they're trying to help their kids embrace the struggle rather than protecting them from it.

52:32

He goes very few of them had had new groundbreaking businesses. Most started normal businesses that already existed not revolutionary technologies. They saw it need and just went after it better than anyone else. Good old fashioned boring stuff.

52:44

He talked about the humility is astounding. Most of the people

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money has not turned these people into jerks. They're still mentally tough,

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still willing to to, you know, to slum it. They are humble. They're searching for ways to improve. Blah blah blah.

52:56

Most didn't drink alcohol.

52:59

You know, a couple of us had one or two drinks, but I'm surprised,

53:03

that, you know, this many people able to, you know, socialize hangout without using alcohol. It inspired me to do more.

53:10

Yeah. Basically, he's, like, the big question for most people in the room is, what am I gonna do with my life? And,

53:15

he goes, he

53:17

goes, one last quote, he goes, he goes, I talked to somebody who said this. Walk around around my house in my office sometimes, just acting like I'm doing things. Then I just go outside, walk around, or I cut wood.

53:27

And he's like, you know, He's, like, the he's, like, everybody is kind of, you know, on some kind of search. So I know it's a really good recap.

53:34

To add to that, most people were really transparent.

53:37

And so, like, we would be like, if we would ask them money questions, like, and they would just say, this is what I have, this is where I put it, this is what I do, and they would be fairly specific, or

53:48

they would say, no, like, I don't have enough to do this, this, and this. Like, we're talking about flying private. Like, no, I'm I'm not wealthy enough. I I can't do that. I can't afford it. And it was like, oh, okay. That's cool. Or I am wealthy enough to do that. And here's how much I spend, but I didn't do it until I hit this number. Or

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you know, like my wife and I argue about x, y, and z, or, I'm nervous about my children for these reasons,

54:10

or, like, people were really transparent.

54:13

Can I tell you a few more mister Beast nuggets real quick?

54:17

Yeah. Because I think he was the most,

54:20

like, alien of it was the alien amongst aliens, basically.

54:25

So he's got a runner. Did you did you know this? Did you see this?

54:30

You know what I mean by this?

54:32

No. So

54:33

there is somebody twenty four hours a day. He's two people. They do twelve hour shifts. What those two kids that were that were there?

54:40

No. No. Those were the that one guy was, like, his social media guy, his TikTok guy, another guy with somebody else. So,

54:48

by the way, they're not kids. They're just a little younger than us. Right? Like, they're they're twenty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not like ten. Well, he's he's a kid kinda. Yeah. Sorry. No disrespect guys.

54:57

So dude, you're like thirty one. You're like young.

55:01

Well, they just had young energy. Like, they were, like, they had like college kid energy and that they were like, this was their vocation and they just lived in the dorm and they were at, like, it's at a basketball camp. They were at, like, Mister Beast's video cam. Yeah. For us, this was like a weird gateway from the from adult life and they're like, yeah, this is just like, I don't know. I guess I just bounced over here and tomorrow, I'll bounce somewhere else. And they, like, wore, like, you know, Jeezys or something like that. And we're, like, that's what I mean by kids. Yeah. These are funky shoes. You know, son, what did he? He's up there. They had three hundred dollars sandals on it. I was like, what are those? Are they like,

55:33

Easy's? I was like, what? Yeah. So that's what I mean. They're they're younger in psychodemographic.

55:38

Yeah. I was a idiot. I was like, oh, I was like, woah, those are like super crocs. What are those? They're, like,

55:43

easy slides are the hottest chew.

55:48

I was like, oh, sweet.

55:50

Super crocs, sport mode crocs. Yeah. So, anyway, so so he's got a runner. Basically, he's got a dude out side the house at all times, just sitting in his car,

56:00

twenty four hours a day. It's a personal doordash. So if he ever needed something, I don't know if you noticed he was like, I wanna play settlers of Khitan. So he's like, hey. Can you go get Khitan? And then I would just run to the store, go get Khitan and bring it back within fifteen minutes. He was outside our house? The whole time. And he's outside the studio, wherever he goes,

56:17

these two people are there. Twenty twelve hour shifts each. So twenty four hours a day, he he's got somebody just watching his back. Ready to do? Track is do they do, like, find my location on a phone? We went to Duke. And, you know, he's wearing his easy slides, and it was, like,

56:32

we're all of a sudden, they were moving the hoops so we could play. So he's like, hey. Go get my shoes from the car. And, like, I need my shoes. Can you go get them from the car? Like, just so he's, like, anything. I'm hungry. And they would just go, and they would, like, or even before he's hungry, they would just go. They're like, hey, I think he has like Crohn's disease or something like that. He's got a very specific diet. So they were like,

56:49

Like, there's this, like, shit ton of, like, yogurt in the fridge at all times. So it's, like, where is this all this yogurt coming from? And, like, his runner was just jockeying the fridge, he's gonna need a snack. He's gonna forget to eat. So I'm just gonna go hand him this at this time. Like, that's a real

57:02

that's, like, a really funny. And he and so he's talking to me, oh, he's like, he's like, yeah. He's like, I don't get a. He's like, all these people here are wealthy, but, like, nobody here had that. He's like, why don't why don't you guys do that? It's like, it's a waste of your time to go do those things. Right? Like, if you value your time, why would why would you and I was like, I was like, he's like, why do you think that is? And I was like, honestly, I don't think any of us had even thought about Like, I was like,

57:22

I never considered this possibility. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah. The in the tech industry, like, the biggest winners, Elon, like, the Google guys, Zuckerberg. Like, they you would describe this for a lot of them. And so it's actually like a a trait commonly found with greatness, which is a very matter of fact.

57:38

Simple way of looking at things that is unafraid of, like, how that looks, how that sounds, or, like, what it costs. So for example, he reinvests everything into every video, and I was, Okay. So,

57:49

you know,

57:50

what's the game plan here? He's like, well, just, you know, like, make the best videos possible.

57:54

Just put it all in, keep growing it, make this the biggest thing ever. And, like, you know, that's my goal. And I was like, okay, but, like, you know, what about x y z? It's like, I told you my goal. So why would I consider x y c? Like, well, you're not listening to the first part, where I said, so I call it. I started to think about this because, again, The stunning thing for me was I had never really met anybody who puts every hour, every dollar, and every ounce of their soul into their wild ambition. That's what I took away from him.

58:22

It doesn't matter if he was a YouTuber or an athlete. In fact, the trainer there used to train with Kobe

58:27

and Kobe's daughter gigi they passed away. And I was, you know, I was like, dude, I hate to be the guy who asked you for a Kobe story, but, like, you gotta tell me a Kobe Bryant story. Like, what what you got? And he started telling me, I was like, you know, is the work ethic thing legit? Because, like, I don't know if you follow this, but, like, on Reddit, there's these two different types. Dude, yeah, I I sat and listened to that guy talk. He was He was that was that was probably the best storytelling. So there's these stories about Kobe that you don't know if they're marketing or if they're real where it's like Kobe would wake up. Like, there's a story like Duane Wade. There's another you know, hall of fame basketball player. He's like, yeah. I we went to the Olympics. That's my first time I got to see how Kobe works because he was a competitor before that. Now we're on the same Olympic team. Like, we got to the gym at six AM. Kobe was already there, like, fully sweating. We're like, oh, what what are you doing? We we just got here for the six AM practice. What are what are you doing? And he's like, oh, listen. Like, yay, I'm ready. I'll be ready in a minute. They're like, why are you sweating so much? He's like, oh, I have my first workout at four. I'm just finishing up. I'm gonna join you guys in a second. I'm gonna go get my ankles and they go back. And and the guys will just so he's got this legendary work, I think. So I was asking the guy. I was like, is it real? He's like, dude, I thought it was bullshit too. He's like, so I started texting him at four. He's like, he didn't hit me back right away. The guy was awake. He was at the gym. He's like, it was insane. He's like, I he's like, and then I was like, okay. So he's got the crazy work. I think, what else? He's like, he had this ability

59:43

where if you were in the room with him, because if most of the guys that work with the famous athletes, they're, like, kind of, like, ADDD, they're, like, if they don't know, if you're not, like, a bull's eye of what they're interested in, They don't think that they don't look at you as someone they can learn something from. Always. Yeah. Just normal people. He's like, so, you know, they'll check their phone, they'll look around, they'll to you. They'll talk to their manager. They'll talk to this person. They're just, whatever. They're all over the place. He said, Kobe, if he got in a room with you, you'd feel like there's only you in the room. He would lock eyes. Would not look at his phone. He would not move away. He would ask you questions. He would remember your name. And the name thing was fascinating. Did you hear this story? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:17

The other guy Luke tells the story. So he goes,

01:00:20

he goes, we're at the gym. And I was like, this first time I ever met Kobe. He's like, we're playing pickup. And I was playing with I jumped in. He's like a trainer. He's like, I jumped in the game and I missed, like, six or seven shots.

01:00:30

And Kobe just doesn't say anything to me. He's like, after the game, he goes, Damn. You at damn. Damn, man, you gonna make a shot or what? And the guy goes, I'm a volume shooter, bro. Like, you should know.

01:00:41

And the kobe, like, I mean, as he tried to, like, kinda basically make fun of kobe, kobe's like, oh, how long have all your mind? That was five. Like, five rings. He's like,

01:00:48

so this is a that whatever. They have that one interaction. It takes five seconds. They just laugh. Move on with life.

01:00:55

Three weeks later, he comes back to the gym. And,

01:00:59

the guy walks into the gym, and Kobe goes, what up volume?

01:01:02

And just, like, remembered who he was. Kate remembered his nickname. And so then the guy was like, already impressed with that. He's like, but I he's like, I'd never talked to him besides I'd never told him my name. Nothing. He had asked somebody what my name is. So that three weeks later, he goes,

01:01:15

He's like, I was leaving. And Kelly goes, damn, Luke. Can I gonna say bye?

01:01:20

Yeah. Wait. You know my name. And secondly, you're stopping. I just didn't wanna bother you. Like And the guy was, like, sneaking out, like, just casually trying to leave. And Kobe just saw him walking around. I was like, dude, what the hell? Aren't you gonna say goodbye to And so he knew his name. He knew and he's like, he's like, you do he's like, he remembers everybody's name. And I asked him once, like, oh, Kobe like, is that easy for you? He's like, no. It's not that easy. I just make an effort. He's like, why do why do you care? Like, to to learn all these people's names? He goes,

01:01:44

because for most people, this is the only time they're ever gonna interact with me. And

01:01:49

If I remember their name as something so simple,

01:01:51

and they not only will they remember it forever,

01:01:54

they'll tell everybody they know about this. He goes, so I'm not just remembering I'm not just, like, making an impression on them. I'm making an impression on a thousand people throughout their lifetime that they're gonna tell this Kobe Bryant story too. And I thought that was so baller. And that was the same the same thing I was about mister Peace. I admired about Kobe in that same way. He did an even crazier story where Alex had mentioned a few weeks prior that his mom's birthday was on a particular date. And on that particular date, Kobe texted Alex, the trainer goes, what's a mom's cell number? And he facetimed at the mom. He goes, what's up, mom? You know, I just wanna say. I hope you have a wonderful birthday today. And Alex is like Crazy. I didn't even FaceTime my mom. A dollar a different day. Yeah. Exactly. So those stories were amazing. Again, those are the moments in between the moments. Right? You can't plan for that, but you put a bunch of people in the room and serendipity like that can happen. But, the other story that was like that, so,

01:02:44

so so the the trait the thing I was calling mister Beast, I was like,

01:02:48

He has a level of commitment that I call kamikaze commitment.

01:02:52

He has a kamikaze level commitment.

01:02:55

To winning.

01:02:56

Kobe had that too. That's our new phrase, bro. That's a good job. The manifest cowboys and the people who got that kamikaze commitment, the dogs. And so

01:03:05

I was like, how do you compete with a youtuber like mister Beast? I thought about this. I was like, I was because I was like, literally, I was like, could I fund somebody? Could I just give someone, like, five million dollars become mister Beast. And I was like, I don't think it would actually work because

01:03:21

not just the talent. There's, like, he's not the best looking dude. He's not the funniest guy. He's not honestly, all the things he knows about YouTube you could learn. I I could tell you everything that he, you know, you need to know about the eighty five percent that you would need to know to get pretty far ahead. Right? There's the last fifteen percent that you'll accrue over time, but, like, dude,

01:03:39

You need you need a great clickable title and thumbnail. Here's what makes it clickable. The first ten seconds, you need to hook people and tell them what they're gonna get out of this video, and then you need to visually stimulate and then you need to use these cuts, and then you need to introduce twist in order to keep their attention, and here's the metric you need to hear about. Right? Like, you could train that. What you can't train is the guy is willing to put all the money he makes back into the next videos.

01:04:01

So, like, imagine competing in a business with somebody who's willing to take no profit.

01:04:05

Like, they're gonna beat you on price. They're gonna beat you on value because they're willing to lower their price, if they're willing to reinvest all of their profits into building a better product. So he's willing to reinvest all of his money

01:04:18

and all of his time into this. And then that compounds so at

01:04:23

first, that was really cheap. That was, you know, the first brand that gave him a ten thousand dollar. The first brand tried to give him a five thousand dollar sponsorship. I don't know if you know the story. Quid, try to give him five thousand dollars for his video. He was like, he's like, I talked to the guy on the phone for like an hour, being like, dude, make it ten thousand. More people will click. She's like, ten thousand. Just that number, ten grand. And the title is gonna get way more clicks than five. I don't know why. It's just five is not the same as ten in the title. And so I was like, just give me ten. They're like, dude, we just our budget is not even gonna keep the ten. I'm gonna give all ten away. So the gate, they said yes to ten. He immediately went and gave ten grand to a homeless guy. And then that video gets like a million views and all the stuff pays pays the video off. The advertisers happy, so then they get twenty grand, thirty grand, fifty grand, hundred grand, and eventually advertisers willing to pay nearly a million dollars for to be a part of these videos.

01:05:07

But he's willing to take that and port all back in. So how do you compete with somebody who's willing to spend all of their creative energy and time? And all of their money. I think that is, like,

01:05:17

just kind of awe inspiring to see somebody execute the, like, sort Kamakazi commitment strategy. I know I'm not willing to do it. Maybe you're somebody. I got kids. I'm I don't know what it is. I don't know what the factors are. It's really that I just

01:05:29

I don't need to it's, like, it's like I said before, like, I think being Olympien being an Olympien is a trap.

01:05:35

Like, I don't need to be a gold medalist. I don't wanna be Michael Phelps and give up, like, twenty years of my life. Train every single moment of every single day to become that. Like, that's okay. I don't think I

01:05:45

don't think his lifestyle

01:05:47

is fitting for happiness

01:05:50

and

01:05:51

maybe

01:05:52

maybe even being fulfilled.

01:05:55

But And by the way, he agreed. Like, he said that. Yeah. He said that.

01:05:59

And I'm happy that he exists.

01:06:01

And I know I am not that.

01:06:04

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Those are the two certainties that I have on that. Yeah. Before before we went on to a real and I and I and I and I am not it.

01:06:13

Base tattoos and corn rows. Right?

01:06:15

Yeah. Based tattoos and corn rows. I'm cool. They other people have them. Not for me. Yeah.

01:06:21

Before I went there, I was like, maybe we should really, like, double down on you maybe we should triple down on YouTube. Was like, I think I could become, like, the biggest business creator on YouTube. Do I want that? I don't know.

01:06:31

And then I whether when we were there, there was, like, a thirty minute shoot where he was, like, a photoshoot for the thumbnail of one of his videos.

01:06:38

And I was like, yeah. I don't think I wanna do this. Like, I don't think in my day, these are the things. I wanna send my energy on. I think I think somebody is willing to do that. Of course, somebody's willing to do that. Many people are willing to do that to win that game. I was like, I'd rather do a game where I'm willing to pay the price that it takes to get the outcome that I want. No. When. Try that. Try not to do You and we, we could play that game, but you don't have to play it his way. You know, his way is a reckless way, and it works. But I don't think you have to, you know, like, I I, like, There are there are lots of different examples of people succeeding in different ways. You know, the wealthiest guy there, keep in mind, was basically he was the wealthiest guy there by a lot. I think. And he played the game totally different

01:07:21

than than Jimmy did. Yeah. But I think the YouTube game that, you know, like, there is a,

01:07:28

I think there is a default path. And you'd have to believe me saying, I'm gonna go try to be an outlier. Right? I'm not gonna be on I'm not gonna be If you wanna be still one. Be the top. I'm talking about the top. Yes. If you want it to be the top mainstream type of guy, I agree. But there's like lots of games. If you're one of them, suite life style where we're making a few million dollars that you heard doing it. Like, you're right. There's many ways to do that. But if you wanna be the top. Right? And that's the question I advise myself. Do I wanna try to go for that? No. I don't. But I would I I would I I'd be okay with pretty good.

01:08:00

And doesn't that feel weird when you spend time with people who who are, like, they hear that sentence and they're sort of repulsed. Isn't there a part of you that's sort of, like, embarrassed to say I'm okay with just good enough? There's a part of me that's for sure embarrassed to feel that.

01:08:12

Yeah. And I used to feel so

01:08:14

I used to feel embarrassed about that. And then I realized, I started to, like, read all about stoicism, and I got went into this Ryan holiday, like, deep rabbit hole. And I'm like, oh, yeah. We're all gonna die and we're all gonna be bullshit and, like, just ashes. Like, why? I'm not gonna play other people's games. But here's the the thing I wanted to wrap up with as I left

01:08:32

that weekend.

01:08:34

A little angry at myself because I've experienced envy pretty hardcore.

01:08:39

And I experienced, like, inadequacy of, like, you know, a lot of places where I go, I'm the big shot. There, we were the low we were probably below average in terms of traditional success. And I remember be being there and I'm like, I am nothing and I should want more and I should achieve more. And I remember feeling that way, and I felt guilty that I felt that way. I was like, why why am I, like, you know, I, why am I feeling envy. This is envy is like the one of the worst,

01:09:09

feelings that you should you can have. Envies in some regards worse than hate.

01:09:13

And so, like, I remember feeling envy, and I was like, fuck.

01:09:17

I I'm falling down the traps. I'm falling I'm doing it. I'm doing what everyone says you do, and we all know you're not supposed to do. And I said forever, I wouldn't feel that way. I made the number that I made. And I thought I won't want any more after that, and I'm wanting more. And I'm I'm I'm giving into it, and I felt really guilty about that.

01:09:35

I know exactly what you mean.

01:09:38

I'll tell you what worked for me to, like it's like a it's like a hunger pank. Right? You can't prevent yourself from feeling hungry. But you can choose how you're gonna satisfy that, right, how you're gonna address it. And,

01:09:50

I told I had come on the pod before when I had visited that person's house that, like, they had, like, a twenty million dollar house. And I was like, wow. This is just incredible. And and I I wasted the first two days

01:10:01

just kind of like being envious and or, like, bullshitting about why this, like, yeah, but, you know, I I wanna focus a family. Like, you know, coming up with these, like, other things that, like, yeah. Yeah. And this is This is actually bad for these reasons. Yeah. Just cognitive dissonance. Yeah. Just like trying to convince myself that I was good. And and so, you know, and and what I had come away with there was like, Actually, the right way to handle that moment is to just reframe it like, oh, this is sick. I'm getting to sample

01:10:27

a set of options to see which one I want. Oh, okay. You have this, and you live this lifestyle? Tell me about that. I wanna hear about that. I wanna just this is just the the person walking around at the party with the tray.

01:10:38

Oh, yeah. I'll I'll try the brushetta.

01:10:40

Okay. Do I like brushetta? Is that what I want? Okay. Now let me try the shrimp. Okay. Is that what I want? Is that what I like? So that's how I that's at this place. I didn't feel the envy per se because as soon as it came up, I was like, oh, this is cool. I'll be getting I lives in Puerto Rico and does this and this and this. Instead of feeling jealous, I pay so much in taxes and he doesn't. Let me learn about that. This person has this wild success and they kind of work this one one week out of a month. Alright. Is that what I want? What's that like? You know, tell me about that. You know, like, I was getting the sample

01:11:09

which just helps me figure out what do I really want and I get more broad exposure. And at the end of the day, you're you're you're the one that brought them all together though. So,

01:11:17

like, But I I definitely know what you mean too. When it was like, alright, let's go around the circle and, like, tell what's your story. What's your what's your thing? I'm like,

01:11:25

damn, my little, like, you know, cricket level of success compared to the whales. You know, like, and there is a moment where you panic. I've always had this in any group setting where they're like, say your name and, you know, an interesting thing about you. It's like, you know, for a mo my initial reaction, I was like, there's nothing interesting about me. Not one Iota of me is interesting. I should just leave the room how far away is the fire alarm? What happens if I vomit? Do I have to do this? Like, you know, like, there's that that happens in three seconds. And then my buddy's like, oh, wait, what do you do? What are you talking about? Like, And then it I come back to normal. But I -- Yeah. -- that reaction happens to me in these group settings for sure.

01:11:58

That was,

01:11:59

I I I remember I felt the exact same way. And I was like, I am nothing.

01:12:04

And so

01:12:06

but here, it kinda made me feel better when people who I didn't know told me about my life. And I'm like, fucker. You listen. Got you. Like, you know what I mean? So

01:12:16

I have to tell you the story. That was a little better. Totally unrelated story, but you just remind me of it. It's so hilarious. Once upon back in the day, me and my buddies used to go gamble a lot. We didn't have much money. We're fresh out of college. We basically had won a business plan competition, and we were, like, extending the runway by going and playing poker and, like, trying to, like, win a few extra thousand dollars doing it, but sometimes we would lose. And so who knows? We probably made it out, you know, slightly down. Anyways,

01:12:40

one of the guys,

01:12:41

he would play table games where you have no edge. You're you're going to lose. And so he'd go play craps, whatever. And he when he would lose, we'd be like, alright, man. Like, we should cut it off. And he's like, Hold on. Let me just go get a coffee to go to the ATM and get more money and come back. And we're like, oh, dude. He's a degenerate. We gotta stop him. But we did. So we came back up to the hotel room.

01:12:59

And he's gone for, like, another five hours. Five AM, he comes back into the room. And I wake up because I hear the noise,

01:13:06

and he doesn't know that I'm away. We're we're asleep. He doesn't know that that I'm awake. And he's he comes up to the he stands in front of the mirror in the hotel room.

01:13:15

Alright. Actually, first it goes to the bathroom, changes them to the robe, which is always the sign of somebody trying to get their value out of the hotel room because they lost a bunch of money in the casino. There's a little tip. Degenerates. That's when they start using all the shampoos and stuff, they're trying to get back at the casino. So he goes, comes out in a robe, he's looking at the mirror, and he just goes, you suck. You

01:13:33

suck. And he just goes, you fat fuck. You suck. He's dissing him up and he just goes, and he just holds up his hand. He goes, five.

01:13:42

Five iPhones.

01:13:43

You lost five iPhones. I was telling you something.

01:13:46

And did I start laughing so hard he realizes that we're awake and then it was like, it totally lightened the mood just because of how funny the situation was and we always

01:13:56

Five iPhone. We always, like, how if I go gambling and say, how many iPhones? I'm, like, three iPhones. I lost three, I lost three iPhones. I'm on a stack of phones. Rappers use, like, racks. Like, how many racks did you lose or how many racks did you win? We use iPhones.

01:14:08

And,

01:14:09

dude, I'll never forget that story. It was so funny.

01:14:12

That's what that's what I was telling myself.

01:14:16

A million subscribers.

01:14:17

You only have a million subscribers.

01:14:20

I remember how Delete your account.

01:14:23

That we can you and I, this channel, we hit a hundred thousand subscriber subscribers And then I went and looked at Jimmy's numbers, and I think he was adding a million a week or, sorry, a million a month. I I forget what it was, but, or sorry, a hundred thousand a day. He like he was adding. And I was like Yeah. We're we were like, we just hit a hundred thousand. He goes, nice today.

01:14:46

I remember. That's how I felt. I was like, oh, we suck. We suck so hard.

01:14:51

I felt that way. Ben, are people is this I I is this gonna be a great episode? I I I got so much energy from this. This is definitely self indulgent, but, like, Who cares? I needed to debrief this.

01:15:04

And and I would say, like,

01:15:06

you know, some parts were patting ourselves back some parts were making fun of us ourselves sometimes making fun of other people. I hope we weren't hard on anybody.

01:15:14

You know, man, what do you think?

01:15:16

It's good. The one thing we didn't talk about was the actual basketball.

01:15:19

Which I just, you know Oh. Oh. Yeah. So here's the reason bed's saying that. So in in terms of best basketball players. What a coincidence, Ben? Would you bring up?

01:15:30

It was, like, Ben was number one, and then Nick Huber was, like, probably number two or number three. Comment was two or number three, but Ben was clearly the best. And at one point, Ben, I think a couple times he dunked in the game, but at one point, he, like, dunked on Jimmy, and there's a perfect picture. Ben was without a doubt the best basketball player there. That that that was a that was for sure.

01:15:49

So I have to tell you,

01:15:51

before going,

01:15:53

I talked to my wife, and I was like, you know, I think a big I think I'm gonna be the best person there, but, like, a big struggle for me is I want to, like, keep everything in check. Like, know, there there's a lot of people there with a lot of money, a lot of influence, like a lot of, big audience. Like, they could do things for me in the future. I don't wanna, offend anyone or upset anyone. Keep keep keep one in check. Like, I don't wanna embarrass anybody or, like, be too competitive. Yeah. Like, and or just, like, seem like a ball hog or, like, come off the wrong way. Right? Right?

01:16:19

Like, I just wanna make sure everyone has a good time. Everyone has fun. So I go and literally and for, like, five minutes, I'm good. For, like, five minutes. I'm just playing in the flow of the game, make sure everyone has a good time. And then Nick Huber comes down and, like, does a little move on me and scores Is Sean? I don't know if you did this on purpose. Sean comes over and is like,

01:16:38

dang. Nick Huber is good. I think he's the best one here. And I lose it. I lost it. I, like, immediately went out of my mind. I was, like, you think he's the best one here? I'll tell you exactly what you say because we're in the middle of a game, by the way. But this is not, like, I didn't, like, I don't even know how we were having such a conversation, but I was, like, I said something. I was like, damn. I was like, Nick's good. I was like, this one. We gotta guard Nick. I think he's the best one here. And,

01:17:02

because we don't know anybody here. Right? We don't even know who's who plays, who doesn't play. Like, we're all finding out in the first five minutes Like, who knows how to ball, who doesn't? And,

01:17:11

and Ben goes,

01:17:13

f that.

01:17:14

He goes f that. I'm guarding him. I don't know. You want to go. You f that. I'm the best player here. I'm guarding him. And and then you and then you proceeded to and so then whatever you pursue. I think you said I'm shutting him down. Yeah. You go. I'm shutting him down.

01:17:26

And, and so whatever, you you go, we score, we ended up winning that game.

01:17:31

And,

01:17:32

and then, like, whatever I subbed out, whatever. And so five minutes later, Nick subs out of the game, and he's just walking away muttering to himself. He just goes,

01:17:40

I can't have him score on Ben. He's like a wall.

01:17:43

And I was like, wow, Mission accomplished. Like, you really flipped that switch, and it and it was so fun to see it because honestly every every moment I've interacted with you outside of that game or, like, pick up basketball,

01:17:55

you are if I would just describe you as too nice.

01:17:59

You are, you know, like, you are overly nice. You are overly, you're you're a very polite guy. You are low ego, very, very humble, too humble. I want you to have more of a edge and a ego and wanna make your podcast the biggest podcast in the world. And, like,

01:18:14

I never saw that until we were playing basketball. I saw a different side of you. Dude, I was talking I was talking shit to him just to get him fired up and he, like, just was he's did the same thing to me where he just is like, he just had his way with me and it, but I was talking shit to him constantly just to get him going and he totally got going. And, Sean, you're really good too. You you in that last game, you had a bunch of threes. You're shooting good.

01:18:35

Yeah. Yeah. We haven't talked about Sean's big moment.

01:18:38

What was the big moment? The the halfway shot?

01:18:41

No. The the big moment was when we were in the championship game. And,

01:18:45

I think my back was failing a little bit. We were on the same team. Yeah. What was going on? You were looking like you're pain. I didn't understand that, but I was like, okay. Give me the ball.

01:18:52

So you guys know that, like, big dunk I had,

01:18:56

early on. I threw my back out when I did that dunk. So for the whole rest of the day, I had, like, no lift, and I I was in, like, pretty severe pain. And,

01:19:05

and,

01:19:06

So we were gonna lose, like, we're gonna lose pretty bad. And then Sean,

01:19:11

how many points did you have? You hit, like, four threes in a row and, like, a couple twos. You, like, took over the game. Yeah. I was also lucky that I was fresh. I had went and dropped Hosen off at the airport, so I came back in, like, right for the playoffs. Basically, I've already been playing for, like, you know, an hour before that, and I got to come in completely fresh. So that was kind of lucky.

01:19:27

And then Sam, we,

01:19:29

we don't have a moment where you dunked or took over the game, but I do have an award for you. We Me and Ben, Ben Levy, we started creating some awards for people, and I'll just give you a sneak preview. Your award is person who most played basketball like it was football.

01:19:46

You are the rules. Physical

01:19:48

mother effort, man. You, like,

01:19:50

Dude, if I was guarding you, you're the only person that, anybody else there? Okay. They could score on me whatever. But I'm never gonna call for a switch. I'm gonna be like, I got this guy. If I was going to Sam, I'd be like, who wants to switch? I am not looking to be like a battering ram right now.

01:20:04

Nobody else started boxing out earlier than you.

01:20:08

Well,

01:20:09

well, I go to bed and come and I go, hey, guys. I don't really know the rules. I can't travel. I can't really do anything. What would you like me to do? They're like, well, got a big ass and you could jump high. So just like,

01:20:19

stay down low and just jump up and grab the ball and give it to me. And I go, yes, sir. I I got you I got you captain, and so that's all I did. That was amazing.

01:20:27

That was a lot of fun. And, yeah, let's do it again. Alright. That's it.

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