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I had this thought, oh, this is what it would have been like to talk to Bill Gates at twenty one.
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Yeah. I feel like I can rule the world I know I could be what I want to.
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I put my all in it like a day's off on a road. Let's travel never looking back.
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So this episode is gonna be it might be shorter than normal. Right? Yeah. I think so. Okay.
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I wanted I just drove,
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like, thirty hours, and I listened to a ton of content. I wanted to tell you Sean about some of the stuff that I listened to and why it's interesting. Is that what you wanna do for this entire episode? Yeah. Let's do it. And I'm sure you'll have some stuff,
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that you consume. Okay. The first one, I found this podcast that has, like, Actually, let's see. How many reviews? I I think, like, no reviews. I think it's I emailed the guy. He's amazing, but, it's called how to take over the world.
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We should just have this guy. We should just absorb this guy's, podcast. We need to acquire this guy's podcast. This should just be on our feet.
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Wait, did you did you listen to it? No. I'm just looking at the description of it, and then the gems that you just told me. And I'm like, this should be part of MFM. This is great. It's amazing. This guy, he,
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he it's like his his hobby, and he he they're so in-depth. So it's called how to take over the world. What I think he's doing is you know, a lot of biographies of great people, like Napoleon,
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Julius Caesar, the raw child, they're, like, eight hundred to a thousand pages. So it's like a real commitment to read it. So he just reads it, and he takes notes. In one episode, he did one on Napoleon. And he goes, I have sixty page or Thomas Edison. He goes, I have sixty pages of notes. And he just reads the book and takes notes and then just explains and tells stories from the book and does it in chronological chronological order, and it's basically turns If you listen to a thousand page book on audio on audible,
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it's something like forty or fifty hours. But with him, I just listened to this two hour podcast, and I feel like I've just read most of the It's pretty amazing. But he also gives his analysis about it. And so I listen to a few of them. I listen to one on Edison, one on Napoleon and one on the Roth child Roth Childs. And there's three commonalities that I wanna tell you about these guys. So do you know who Roth's child is? Roth's child? Am I saying it right?
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Yes.
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So, basically, it was started by this guy named Angel Rochelle in the seventeen hundreds. He basically built, like, the Amazon
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So, basically, it was started by this guy named, Angela Rochelle in the seventeen hundreds. He basically built, like, the Amazon
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of of this his little ghetto in in in Germany, where he would sell, like, he would mail you an item. And if you wanted it, you would send him money. And it wasn't like that big. But eventually, he started he grew that over fifty years and started investing and stuff, and then his kid started the Goldman Sachs of of Europe. So it was like a long,
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slow build up to building this family business. So I'm gonna tell you three things that I've noticed that these folks had in common. The first, all of them enjoyed their work. So there's a story where Nathan Rochelle,
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this,
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this one woman was talking to me. He's like, you know, I hope you better hope that your kids aren't addicted to work like you are. And he goes, oh, no. I hope they are because I love what I'm doing, and I don't ever wanna stop.
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Same with Napoleon.
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Someone said Napoleon. What what's your heritage? What race are you? He goes, I'm of the race of men who found empires.
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Like, they're addicted to it. Like, they love it. They they can't they can't not do it. Same with Edison. Edison, He was, like, nice to his kids and nice to his wife, but he was really never around. And they called he called his,
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his studio, which was in Menlo Park, believe it's called Menla Park in New Jersey, and they said that it it it looked like a homeless,
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encampment because there's these men in suits but they were just, like, laying around on the floor and sleeping there because they would do their best work from midnight to six AM, and they would just sleep below under their desk. And they're like, well, why are you doing this? He's like, because there's so much to do and we love it. Like, we can't not do this. So they all enjoyed their work. The second thing,
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crazy, crazy high energy. So super high energy. So as a Napoleon, he went to Egypt to go conquer something. And on his way, he stopped in, like, some island where he, like, reorganized the government in three weeks and he and he changed their currency. Just they all have crazy high energy.
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And that's something that I didn't actually think was a big deal, but they all had crazy high energy here's the third thing that I found to be kind of interesting.
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A lot of the successful people that I'm learning about on this podcast, they eat very, very, very little. So, like, Edison would only drink milk sometimes for months. Steve Jobs For months. For months.
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A lot of the successful people that I'm learning about on this podcast, they eat very, very, very little.
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So, like, Edison would only drink milk sometimes for months. Steve Jobs For months. For months.
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What's the Milk. Steve, dude, do you remember Steve Jobs? How he had a fruit? A fruit? Yeah. I I was gonna say it's a fruititarian or whatever. It was the same thing. He used to only eat, like, lunch, And it was just fruit, you know, or something like that for a period of time. Rockefeller or, Rockefeller and Vanderfield were this way too, like, in their first in, like, the it was it's all when they're all described, like, look, he ate very little. Typically, didn't eat breakfast, ate very little. They're all, like, physically hungry, and that physical hungry, hunger, Some it does actually seem like at least to some type of, like, success. Have you does that So,
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What's the Milk. Steve, dude, do you remember Steve Jobs? How he had a fruit? A fruit? Yeah. I I was gonna say he's a fruitarian or whatever. It was the same thing. He used to only eat, like, lunch, And it was just fruit, you know, or something like that for a period of time. Rockefeller or, Rockefeller and Vanderfield were this way too, like, in their first in, like, the it was it's all when they're all described, like, look, he ate very little. Typically, didn't eat breakfast, ate very little. They're all, like, physically hungry, and that physical hungry, hunger, Some it does actually seem like at least to some type of, like, success. Have you does that So,
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yeah. So let me give you my take on all three of these. So you said, they really enjoy their work, like, their work feels like plays the way I would describe it where they didn't feel like they were forcing themselves to do something. They couldn't wait to go keep doing it. Would also say there's an obsession there. Now, like, is, like, I'm obsessed with stuff. Like, is that do I enjoy it? I don't know if I enjoy it, but, like, I the OCD forces you. It there's an obsession. There's a Connor McGregor fight this Saturday, and he has this great kinda like monologue from back when he was a nobody, but he was talking about it. He goes, He goes, I've lost my mind to this game. He goes, I think you must do that. I think you must become obsessed.
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You wanna lose your mind to your craft.
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And, I've seen that as, like, a common thing for a lot of people, and, and that actually relates to the eight very little.
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A lot of times you get so engrossed
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in what you're doing, that you just forget to eat. You forget to go to the restroom. You you forget what time it is. You forget the, you know, you should sleep or you forget to pay that bill because you become completely obsessed and and engrossed in what you're doing. And you get in in a flow state, really. And in a flow state, you, you sort of block out a lot of the other stuff that's going on. And so I think that's that's those two sort of go hand in hand. And then the high energy,
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I'm curious what that means to you. So that's like It doesn't mean like you're bouncing off the walls. Right. Yeah. That's why I imagine. What did you mean? No. It doesn't mean that you're bouncing off the walls. But for example, when I go
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and when I'm at a conference,
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Like, let's say it's my conference or let's say it's, at our at our talk that we did the other day. How did you feel at the end of that? The live shows? Yeah.
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I felt kind of drained.
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I felt drained. I felt exhausted. Yeah.
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But what I think, like, what I think high energy means is I felt just so worn out then. But I think that some people, they would feel good, and they'd be like, alright. Let's go, like, get some more deals done. Let's go invest. Like, like, like, I invest a little bit of money, but if I was a full time investor, you're doing deals all day. And
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for me, by, like, four or five o'clock, I'm like, oh, I can't talk to another person. I'm exhausted. I can't think about this anymore, but I've seen some people that can do it all day, and they just aren't worn out. And they just keep going and going and going and going. Right. That's what I mean. Yeah. I I'm with you on that.
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Yeah. I can. I think this is cool. And I like the, the study of of the sort of study of greatness. And what I've also found is that, like, we've talked about this before. It's like, would you wanna be, Elon Musk? Would you wanna be, like, basically, this stuff comes at a at a pretty big sacrifice.
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For other things in life. Family
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often,
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you know,
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relationships you hard to relate to people or spend time with friends or anything like that if you're doing this. So when you so I'm like you. I like digesting these. I like knowing it. But then over time, I've learned that, like, the goal is not to be Steve Jobs or act like Steve Jobs or anything. I just kind of am fascinated by it in the same way that, like, fascinated about how, you know, a rhinoceros
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moves and eats, and I don't necessarily wanna be a rhinoceros. I just find it interesting that it's an extreme creature.
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I love freaks.
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I like the freak show. And these guys are freak shows. I also love bold people. I admire anyone who's bold. So, for example, I was reading a book about Steve McQueen. He was just an actor. Like, he didn't change the world. He probably didn't work that hard, but he was, like, known for, like, saying his opinion, and he, like, lived a very, like, free life. That and it's, like, in the same field. I like these people, I like men who'll who'll who'll do what they say and they say, like, things that are different than other people, but then also I love these freak shows like Napoleon. Now let's actually talk about each of these Thomas Edison, like Elon, a bunch of divorces, one of his wives died from a morphine overdose. His kids didn't really like him or get to know him that well, even though he was like a kind guy, but he was never around. Napoleon died on an island because they kicked him out, and he died basically with nothing alone in the island off the coast of Africa, brought the child.
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I like the freak show. And these guys are freak shows. I also love bold people. I admire anyone who's bold. So, for example, I was reading a book about Steve McQueen. He was just an actor. Like, he didn't change the world. He probably didn't work that hard, but he was, like, known for, like, saying his opinion, and he, like, lived a very, like, free life. That and it's, like, in the same field. I like these people, I like men who'll who'll who'll do what they say and they say, like, things that are different than other people, but then also I love these freak shows like Napoleon. Now let's actually talk about each of these Thomas Edison, like Elon, a bunch of divorces, one of his wives died from a morphine overdose. His kids didn't really like him or get to know him that well, even though he was like a kind guy, but he was never around. Napoleon died on an island because they kicked him out, and he died basically with nothing alone in the island off the coast of Africa, Rothschild. He he the the
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He he the the the I mean, they were okay. They they actually had good ideals, but,
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the I mean, they were okay. They they actually had good ideals, but,
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with with a lot of successful people like this, yeah, you don't actually wanna be them necessarily.
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Yeah. Okay. So what else, what else you got? So you consume that. What else you consume? Okay. Have you read, Nival's Almanac?
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Yeah. Okay. So what else, what else you got? So you consume that. What else you consume? Okay. Have you read,
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Naval's Almanac?
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Yeah. Shout out to,
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Jack Klick? No. No.
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Eric. Right? Eric? I think Jorgensen is the last name? Yeah. He was the main guy and Jack animated or whatever. Yeah. Oh, there it is. So Naval has, so it's a two part. I actually don't know how it came to be. Did Naval just do a bunch of podcasts and interviews and he summarized Naval's feelings? Yeah. Basically. So Naval had been putting out his content for years, different podcasts and stuff like that. And a lot people like me and Eric and others were big fans of it. And what he did was he said, alright.
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You I don't know if you've ever bought the book or have the book, poor char poor Charlie's Almanac. I think that's what this is ripped off of, which is Charlie Munger,
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who's Warren Buffett's business partner, It was like about Charlie Munger. And so, he tried to make, you know, if Naval is one of the good, great thinkers of our time, then he tried to make The compilation of all the shit and have all said. He took it from all the times, Naval talked about wealth, and they pulled it all together and put it all in one place and distill it it down.
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And this book, is broken into two parts. The first is wealth. The second is happiness.
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I found the wealth stuff to be a little bit boring. I don't even remember I I actually skipped over a lot of it. I I don't even remember what he said about wealth. Do you?
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Yeah. I mean, I think it's it's the same thing that that we've talked about on here, but he has this tweetstorm that went ultra, ultra viral, like, maybe, I don't know, fifty to a hundred million people have seen it by now. And it's called How to Get Rich Without Getting Lucky. And he talks about these four thing. I I mean, I can go into it or I can skip it if you wanna talk about it a little bit. Yeah. Basically, his summary is like, you know, some of the principles that over, you know, Naval's become very wealthy. And over time, he sort of learned for himself. He wanted to be wealthy as a kid because he grew up pretty poor. And he wanted to be wealthy, and he wanted to be wealthy
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not in a way that required outlier luck. And he says this great thing, which is like, you know, I wanna If I lived life a hundred times, I wanna end up wealthy, you know, ninety eight, ninety nine times. Or, like, if you took away all my wealth now and you drop me, you know, what naked in in the streets of of Bangalore.
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I wanna be able to again in five, ten years end up rich again. And so that means I actually understand the principles of how this is done, and I'm not relying on on luck. And so he talks about those principles, and he basically says,
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you know, you wanna have these, like, three or four things. So, well, first,
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stop renting out your time. You'll never get rich renting out your time, which is, you know, ninety something percent of people are employees somewhere.
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You are basically renting your time to an employer.
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And, you'll never become wealthy or you rarely become wealthy
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with that path. You you become wealthy by owning a piece of a business.
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Either as an investor or as a business owner, or as an employee who has shares like employees at Google or Facebook who have seen
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you know, gotten a lot of wealth by the appreciation of those shares.
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And so,
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then he talks about, you know, how do you how do you get to that point? Well, you need a few things. You want,
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you know, you what do you call specific knowledge, which is basically like like Sam, you know how to grow a newsletter. You know how to write content, you know, copywriting. Right? You know certain things. And so you need specific knowledge,
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then you pair that with accountability,
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So you wanna do it in the name of the hustle or Sam or some brand
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that, accrues that reputation. So you wanna put your name on the line, and say, I'm gonna do this thing and so that when you do it, you get paid for it. You know, the people at the hustle who write your daily newsletter,
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but are less well known
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They actually have certain skills. They have certain unique knowledge, specific knowledge, but they don't have the account they're not putting up the accountability. They're not living and dying by the sword of this news that are working or not.
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Maybe inside the company, they are, but not externally.
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And then you have leverage. So, you know, back in the day, if you wrote something, you would maybe distribute it locally on your newspaper or on a flyer or something like that. But with the internet, you have leverage where you can put this in an email and you can send it. You can put the same amount of work in to write the email once You could send it to a hundred thousand people, a million people, or ten million people. It's the same amount of work because you have tremendous leverage through technology.
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And so, basically, he talks about, like, use these three things.
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Get specific knowledge.
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Be accountable. Put your name on the line. That way, you get the risk and the reward. And lastly, apply leverage to maximize the the value that you get out of the thing. That's kind of the the basic formula. And the whole book, basically,
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It's broken down to this idea of,
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life is about health, wealth, and happiness, or sorry,
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wealth, health, happiness. And he says, we actually pursue it. We go we pursue wealth, then we do health, then we do happiness. And he's like, that's actually a fine way to pursue it. It's that's a very practical and fine way to pursue it. The reality is is that the it's the reverse is true, like, the in terms of importance. So it's happiness. What's the most? Yeah. Happiness health and wealth. But it's whatever. It's fine. I proceed that way. And he
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has this beautiful line in the book where he says something like,
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of course,
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Once you get the wealth, you're gonna see that it's actually not nearly as important as you thought, but
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you're not gonna listen to me, and you have to pretty much discover it on your own. Yeah. You're not gonna listen to me. I wouldn't have listened to me.
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You know, the type of person who's attracted to this content, you know, they they're gonna go through the same thing. You have to learn that the hard way. And so that was pretty interesting.
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So I liked that, but the second half is all about happiness. And there was a few things that kinda stuck stuck out to me. The first is that, he basically acknowledged he he was like, look, don't worry.
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Well, then let me preface this by saying. Naval interests me because
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he's like I mean, he's probably a billionaire I would have to imagine. He started AngelList, which is a multi billion dollar company. He's an investor. Like, he's in the game, and he acknowledges, like, I'm in the game. And so, like, this is a little bit hypocritical.
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But, basically, he was like, what I found is that, a, happiness must be a choice. Like, I've been unhappy for decades, and then I decided, you know, I'm going to be happy, and he steals a lot of
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philosophy from stoicism, and he steals a lot of it from Buddha, Buddhism. And the idea here is that, like, your past is unimportant, and the future is unimportant. And to say that you wanna do x, y, and z for legacy, that's bullshit. Because what's gonna happen is when you die, it's gonna be as if you're, you know, if it's the same
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feeling that you had before you were born, which is like nothing. So, like, who cares about some bullshit legacy? Which is like hard to fight against, right?
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But and he he's like, it only matters about the about the present and where you are now, and that gets a little bit fluffy. But I still thought it was really useful.
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And oddly, did you if you read the book, he talks about not working hard. He was like, you actually should only do work that feels like play. Yeah. And I thought that was kinda cool. And he's like life's too short, by the way, just to grind and work your ass off, which again, I'm like, button of all, you're like a billionaire, like, there is this, like, what, you know, how do you I have to, like, kinda
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come to grasp with with us a little bit. But I thought it was cool. He also talks about,
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very oddly, gives diet advice. He's like, just don't eat sugar.
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Stay away from sugar. Do high intensity interval training.
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And stretch a lot.
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Yeah. And he he even says he goes, I try not to tell he's like, you know, I don't talk too much about health because I'm pretty good at health. I'm okay, but I'm not self actualizing that. Meaning, like, in wealth, he's done better than ninety nine point nine percent of people.
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So, you know, for him to talk about it, well, he's self actualized it. He has actually done it,
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for himself and seen it done by many other people. And so he feels comfortable
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putting out his whole philosophy on it is, like, in terms of health, like, I'll say some general things that you, you know, hard to argue against. But I try not to talk too much about it, even though it's very important because I myself, you know, for many years, didn't have an exercise routine, or wasn't, you know, the best eater. And now I'm better, but I'm still not the best. I'm not world class at that. I'm not ninety nine point nine percent at at that one.
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I'll I could tell one story. So I call the friend, and and this is almost like stuff I've read or listened to in the last, like, four days, which is a lot. But I want I I I had a friend, and this is all related to what we're this is related to what we talked about earlier about crazy people. I love freaks.
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And I had a friend call and tell me about their best friend. And let me tell you this story. So there's this guy
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I'm gonna change some details because I don't wanna reveal it. He was an accountant.
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And on some large deals that he was working on, At the age of like thirty, he was able to
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save up one to two million dollars. I think it was two million dollars at the age of thirty. He was single. He lived relatively frugally, but he worked on some he worked at a big company who's just an employee, but he worked on such a deal that he was able to capture, like, some of the commissions, and he made, like, two million bucks. With that two million dollars, he angel invested a little bit. And one of his angel investments made like half a million dollars. And so here he is sitting with, like, two and a half three million dollars at the age of mid thirties.
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Okay. So about
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last
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twenty months ago, when was Bitcoin six thousand dollars?
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Yeah. About about a year and a half two years ago. Or no. Sorry. When it was three thou whatever it was, he put three million dollars into Bitcoin
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everything he had. Everything one hundred percent of everything he had to the point of, like, I think he, like, saved, like, ten thousand or twenty thousand dollars for living expenses. He put most everything he had And, also, he borrowed money. I don't I'm not, he was able to borrow money,
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somehow, like, through, like, like, as simple as, like, Robinhood gives you a little bit of margin, but he was able to borrow money to the point of, like, he was in debt, a significant amount of money, and he bought a ton of Bitcoin. Well, last December, when it hit sixty five or sixty three thousand dollars, his
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three million dollars turned into around
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a hundred million dollars.
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And he sold
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about half of it, so he's got like this cushion And then he up and left and moved to another country.
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And
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he lives there because he's like, you know, I've just I believe that, like, this country is the future. And the point of the story is I'm not like this crazy person. I don't think you are either. You have a family. You're not gonna up and move them. Although you will take interesting bets,
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but and I recognize I'm not this human being. I am
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so thankful that crazy people like this exist.
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For our amusement.
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Not for our amusement
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necessarily, but, like, the world need, like, his boldness was, like, rooted in some type of selfishness. He wants to get risk Yeah. Regret rich. But that type of boldness even though this may not be the best example, but that personality type is what pushes society forward
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and actually does weird crazy stuff that ends up becoming normal and common for us. Right. Dude, I don't know if I I don't think this is uncommon, but I feel special the way I feel special that I'm this way, but I know This is actually most people I think. But I
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fucking love,
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greatness
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greatness in any field. Like, you could just be like, hey,
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in any field. Like, you could just be like, hey,
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you play billiards? I'm like, no.
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Check this out. This person is the best in the world of billiards.
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Tell me more. I saw watching them. I'll watch them for eight hours straight. I'll then go watch the documentary about them. And then I'll go find that, like, you know, the book about them, and I'll just keep going deep because there's something about greatness
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Tell me more. I saw watching. I'll watch them for eight hours straight. I'll then go watch the documentary about them. And then I'll go find that, like, you know, the book about them, and I'll just keep going deep because there's something about greatness
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that,
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is just so, like, attractive to me. And so recently, do you watch the TV show Dave?
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Of course, I like, what's the guy's name? The rapper. Little Dicke. Yeah. Little Dicke.
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So Dave is a show that I started watching,
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and I love Dave. Dave is like a hilarious show to me. It's like a very unique show. Right? And and it's not like most TV shows. It's not made like most TV shows. It uses like everybody's real names. It's like kind of set in Hollywood guy's story of trying to be a big rapper, which is his real story.
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And then it's kinda like he's not, like, it's not entourage where he's just, like, cool and cool shit keeps happening. Models keep throwing themselves to him. It's, like, the opposite.
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He's kind of like a nerdy Jewish guy who happens to be an aspiring rapper, and, you know, things happen to him that are not so great all the time. And so,
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I just love this dude. This dude is, like, he's so talented. He's very talented as a rapper. If you have if you haven't listened to the, little dicky,
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sway freestyle. We should put that whole freestyle at the end of this episode. Dan do that. Just grab the whole audio for that freestyle and put it at the end of this episode. One more he gives the girl flowers. Where he gives her flowers. Exactly.
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That that freestyle is amazing. Although, I mean, obviously, it's not an actual freestyle. And then,
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you know, to be to then go into, like, how he marketed himself. So he's a former ad agency guy who got his job at an agency and was, like, writing a rap song for, like, Doritos to, like, win the client, win the gig, win the account, then leaves to go become an actual rapper. He his story is kinda, like, he,
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he works for a long time on his album, doesn't show anyone has no results to show for it. Kinda, like, runs out of time and money doing this. And then, like, launches his first music video and it, like, goes viral and because he had put so much work into his craft of, like, making this work. And he's completely authentic. Right? So, like, back to a Navalism,
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escape competition through authenticity.
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Most of the things you want occur in very competitive spaces and the answer is not to try to out compete everybody by being better because everybody's trying to be better. The way to do it is to be different. The way to be different the easiest way to be different is to be completely you because nobody can be better at you than you. You've been you your whole life. You have a lifetime of experience at it. And so similarly for Dave,
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he his niche in wrapping is, like, being, you know, an awkward white guy rapper just kinda growing through life.
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Trying to get with women and failing sometimes and sometimes succeeding and etcetera, etcetera.
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And so I think this guy is so impressive to me And so I love finding these, like, you know,
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And so I think this guy is so impressive to me. And so I love finding these, like, you know,
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whether it's in in the UFC, that's why I love Connor McGregor and his rise because early on, I was like, this guy seems like he's full of greatness and then you see it play out and you're like, wow, that was amazing.
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Dave in the rap scene. So this and you're talking about this with Edison in some of the books that you're gonna evolve, like some of the the content you're consuming.
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I don't know, like, what do you think? Are we kind of like, are we unique in this, or is this I feel like everybody loves greatness. Right? But is there something different about the way we purchase? I I think that, I think it's because a
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I don't know, like, what do you think? Are we kind of like, are we unique in this, or is this I feel like everybody loves greatness. Right? But is there something different about the way we purchase? I I think that, I think it's because of
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We have a we've been privileged in that you and I have seen people who have a we have seen, like, dozens of people, accomplished things that, a, most people, like, like, hear rumors about or movies about. Like, like, no. I know this person. They and a lot of them is financial. But, you know, they sold their company. They made five hundred million dollars. Like, we know many people have done that. And so we, like, we firsthand know, like, man, greatness is real, and you get self actual we know it's real. The second thing is we know people that have it created or invented or worked on things that everyone else takes for granted, and you're like, dude, you have no idea what it takes to, like,
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We have a we've been privileged in that you and I have seen people who have a we have seen, like, dozens of people, accomplished things that, a, most people, like, like, hear rumors about or movies about, like, like, no. I know this person. They and a lot of them is financial. But, you know, they sold their company. They made five hundred million dollars. Like, we know many people have done that. And so we, like, we firsthand know, like, man, greatness is real, and you get self actual we know it's real. The second thing is we know people that have it created or invented or worked on things that everyone else takes for granted, and you're like, dude, you have no idea what it takes to, like,
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to have, like, made that a reality. It just it's so impressive. And I think that, because of that, yeah, we, like,
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appreciate
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bold people who are also capable. Right. And so, I think a lot of people
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are like that, but not that many people. For example, when I go to store, and there's, like, a signed tape to the door. I'm, like, do you have any fucking pride?
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Fix that shit. Like, put a proper frame. Like, do this the right way. It'd, like, be the best. You detest. You detest lack of great news. I I can't stand that. But, like, but, you know, there's a reason why, like, we're not the only ones. There's a reason why Jiro What's that Jiro love sushi or Jiro sushi? Yeah. Yeah. Like Or like Nike. Nike's whole marketing is not about the rubber in their shoes. It's about, like, great everybody loves great athletes. That's an easy one that everybody loves. No. I I but I like it. Like, when I look at it, like, I'm I don't care about weight lifting, but I look at weight lifting. I'm dude, the gay look at this guy's like weighing his food every single day and getting up at five thirty, like, just for the like, I just I I I love that.
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Fix that shit. Like, put a proper frame. Like, do this the right way. It, like, be the best. You detest. You detest lack of great news. I I can't stand that. But, like, but, you know, there's a reason why, like, we're not the only ones. There's a reason why Jiro What's that Jiro love sushi or Jiro sushi? Yeah. Yeah. Like Or like Nike. Nike's whole marketing is not about the rubber in their shoes. It's about, like, great everybody loves great athletes. That's an easy one that everybody loves. No. I I but I like it. Like, when I look at it, like, I'm I don't care about weight lifting, but I look at weight lifting. I'm dude, the gay look at this guy's like weighing his food every single day and getting up at five thirty, like, just for the like, I just I I I love that.
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So we'll,
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Let me move on to one more thing, but, yeah, I do. I love greatness. And I'll tell you these last two things that I've read. Can we move one point on that? I would say,
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Definitely a lot of good has come has come from being a fan of greatness.
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But I would say try to be a fan of greatness, not a fan of the people.
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And the reason I say that is because what often happens is when people get really into greatness, they go study these people, and then they their end their net conclusion is Wow, they're great, and they're different than me. And I they sort of, like, separate. It's almost like, oh, that's a different species.
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And the reason I say that is because what often happens is when people get really into greatness, they go study these people, and then they their end their net conclusion is Wow. They're great, and they're different than me. And I they sort of, like, separate. It's almost like, oh, that's a different species.
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And there's a there's a way to do this that's better, which is basically
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you take you get entertainment and inspiration from them and education from them of the things that they do. But, like,
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Don't count yourself as something different.
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Treat yourself, like, that's that's you. You're them. You're you're no different than them. They are just like you. They are just made of the same things as you, had the same doubts as you, had the same insecurities as you, had the same struggles as you, and, and so, like, don't, like, create this divide of the great people and then you because then it's counterproductive.
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Then every time you you learn about their greatness, it reinforces
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this kinda like negative perception of yourself. Instead,
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you think about yourself just like them, and then every time you learn about them, it creates a positive reinforcement about what you can also do. And I'll tell you just the last few things that I consumed this week that made a difference The first is not or the the last couple nonviolent communication.
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It's real touchy feely. You know what nonviolent communication is? I've never read it, but I've heard about it. Yeah. It's a great way to speak in a way, I guess, I don't know. How would you explain it? Basically, I have a problem. Like, I suck at dealing with people. Like, my emotions get the best of me. I get angry at people and I communicate stuff. And I'm like, why am I getting angry? Like, this is so counterproductive.
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I do this with Sarah. I've done it with you before. I've done it with all my coworkers.
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I just communicate horribly. So I'm actually trying to learn a better way to communicate, a more effective way to communicate. And this is, like, giving you a toolkit. So it's basically, like, it just gives you, like, a better way to talk to people so you Give give us, one nugget from it. So what's what's one tweak?
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Dude, it's really hard. It's like, like, it's so
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opposite of how I do things. So it for example, like,
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Like, there's like a like a okay. So the ad there's a lot someone who's an expert on this is gonna, like, criticize me on how am I explaining it, but it's quite complicated for me because it's so not normal. But, basically, the idea here is, like, look, I'm not gonna judge you for you telling me this. I'm not gonna get angry. I'm not gonna judge you, but I actually just wanna clarify,
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like, so you feel like this. Correct? Okay. Well, what I need from you is x, y, and z. Are you able to, like, are we able to can I get that from you or no? And then
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it's, like, that type of, like, very, like, crystal clear. And then, like, you'll say things like, look, can you repeat back what you thought I said? So for example,
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I'll tell you to do something, and I'll say and you'll say, okay, fine. I'll be like, can you repeat back? Well, you said if you you don't do this, you're gonna yell it. Or you Let me find a better example. Okay.
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I'll tell you to do something, and I'll say, and you'll say, okay, fine. I'll be like, can you repeat back? Well, you said if you you don't do this, you're gonna yell it. Or you Let me find a better example. Okay.
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My wife and I, we got into, like, an argument over, I forget what we got into in an argument over. But I said, can you repeat back to me what you thought I said? Well, you said it's it's gonna piss you off if you if I do this again. And I was like, No. I actually didn't mean to express the idea of I'm gonna be angry at you. It was just like it hurts my feelings when this happens. Right. You know what I mean? So it's a different it's a different way to communicate. I'm not good at it. This is why I'm reading this fucking book. Clearly, I could barely describe the the damn thing.
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The last thing Or the second to last thing, the courage to be disliked. Great book. I started getting into it,
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because after Naval and it's just like there's a few takeaways here. I'll read the the my four takeaways. The first is is dangerous to believe that your past determines your future. I know it's fluffy. If you focus on what's wrong with you, you might be looking for reasons to hate yourself on purpose. Again, fluffy. Third, most of what we think as competition is just made up and is hurting your happiness, and four. This is like crazy woo woo. Basically life is just a bunch of, like, sounds and lights and, like, the emotion, we assign emotion to it. And so you don't actually, like, you can assign a happy emotion or not.
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So that's the last one. And then the last article I read that made a big difference, There's this New Yorker article written in two thousand and fourteen about Sam Altman. Have you ever read this?
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Maybe. I I I like to study Sam Altman, but I have I don't remember this one. Is written in two thousand sixteen. I'm New Yorker. It's called Sam Altman's manifest Destiny.
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And I was rereading this, and I don't wanna tell you a few reasons first. In two thousand and sixteen, he talks about this. They ask him what his hobbies are and what he does when he's not working. He goes, I like racing cars. I like renting planes and flying them. And I've got one odd thing that I like. I like to prep for prep for survival.
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Seeing their biv bewilderment, he explained. My problem sorry. I'm booking this. The problem is when my friends get drunk, they talk about ways the world will end. After a Dutch lab modified h five n one bird flu viruses five years ago, making it super contagious, the chance of lethal
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virus being released the next twenty years will become, well, nonzero.
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So I have a plot of land in Big Sir that I can fly to. I have antibiotics,
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batteries, water, gas masks made by Israel Defense Force, all ready to go. This was in two thousand sixteen. That's kinda cool. Right? Y'all
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He also talks about, basically, he sold his company, and he, he goes,
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he profited five million, and he invested all of it and start which I thought was pretty crazy because we're talking about like crazy freaks.
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It's just a really good article. I think people should read this because Sam Altman is like a a freak weirdo, and that's like a compliment
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because we're talking about extreme personalities, and I think it's like a really cool insight. And it's one of the only article long form articles I've ever seen written about them. So I've I've been rereading that, this week. That's a cool one. I'm gonna check that out. I I remember Paul Graham had once said something, and Paulagram is obviously a fan fan of Sam Alvin, because he Paulagram started Y Combinator, and then he put Sam Altman in charge of it.
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And Sam Altman was, by no means, the most successful Yc alumni at the time. I think his company sold for thirty million, but it was kind of like
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many ways of failure. It didn't succeed. It it raised forty and it sold for thirty. Yeah. Exactly. And so I think he got some out of it, but, you know, whatever,
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But, Paul Graham once said, like, he's like, when I was talking to Sam Altman, I think maybe for the first time or second time, he's like, I had this thought, oh, this is what it would have been like to talk to Bill Gates twenty one. And, like, that's, like, pretty high praise for somebody. So I I I thought that was, like, pretty cool,
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I don't know, pretty cool description, pretty cool description. Yeah. And there's the There's a lot of weird things about Oatman that I love. I should come up with a better word than weird, but peculiar thing. So for example, listen to those sentences. In a class that Oatman taught at Stanford in two thousand fourteen. So, which, by the way, in two thousand fourteen, he must have been, like, twenty eight. He remarked that the formula for estimating a startup chance of success is something like idea, times product,
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times execution,
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times team, times luck, where luck is a random number between zero and ten
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And, like, like, little lines like that, I just think it's crazy that someone thinks like that. And it just
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it's peculiar, it's exciting, it's really neat. There's another story where he,
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he's working with the with Brian Chesky, the CEO of Airbnb, and they're about to pitch in front of everyone at,
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YC. And there's this great line where he says, Brian Chessey goes, I attribute a lot of our success
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to Sam Altman and YC. And they're like, well, why? He was like, well, right before our deck,
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they
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we had a limited project. We had our deck. It was all built out. Had limited our projected revenue on the deck to thirty million dollars, Chesky said. Sam stopped us and looked at us and goes,
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do me a favor. Take all those ms, you know, the thirty million and change them to bees often the recall is telling them either you don't believe everything you said in the rest of the deck about how how big this is gonna be, or you're ashamed, or I just can't do math. Yeah. And he just said, change all the ends to these. And I think, like, that weird type of thinking is actually pretty interesting. Yeah. People who can cut through the noise and just, like, get straight to the heart of it. Alright. This is cool. This is kind of like
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stuff that Sam's been reading and listening to. Stuff we've been consuming. I don't know. Is this interesting? Is this gonna be good
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or the tool? I enjoy the conversation. I don't Dan, what do you think? Is this gonna be a good pod? Yeah. I think it's cool. I think it'd be a fun thing to check-in every couple weeks or a month. Alright. Well, let's see. But that's the episode.
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No, Dickey. Don't turn the rock wonder, drop a beat on them.
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Wait in the morning, Shane. Turn
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that beat up, your headphones. Get that headphones.
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You.
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Alright. I'm not gonna do that. Sorry. I'll tell you nothing to do. If there is there we go. Right.
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Little, oh, dick, and I'm backing this bitch. I know y'all know when I wrap what it is all fast on fib. Got drank full of hits in touch with the kids like a pedo. Oh, I'm a jam like shaq. I'm a bang when I wish. I'm in this bitch like a feeder, saying no timelines when you time list. Hold up. MJ, ninety six meeting on back on my shit. You know, like, some hard like a full dick. Suburban and white.
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Stay with your bread like some cool wood, though. Look how it spreads. Cool with flow. Can make them right with a IG live. And my girl got bombs on a IG hot, and between her legs is looking right, high pot and noose. Bring it all down. Hold up, sway. Let me bring it all down. Been out here citizenship. Look at how I got everybody tuned in right now. They'll probably watch this for an hour. Tracy, I brush your flower.
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Guass out the ass like flatulence. I just left Don Light mattresses. I got my head right aspirant. I'm cashing in. I'm cashing in. I'm not hold a paper and display it like a thumbtack. No touch back, damn about to run his back. And if you ever met me, your roof from me sharp shit coming up a dome, I mean, unicorns,
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Part of my breath. Only perky said I fuck with his breast. Elevator kissing hoes at the ritz. Freaky Friday, I get in. I'm like, Chris, wait. Suede, pass me the rod, get it, post, jab, update,
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jump into them. Two shots at the line.
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I got them. Of mine. Oh, no. Becca might cut on a dime, glow in the dark. See me anytime. You used to put the Xbox controller on my digging let it vibrate. How about jerk off as a child? Came a long way. Now, Hey, girl. You, me. Fuck, and it should work. Hey. Her brother looking at me like, hey. Fuck it, bro.
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I got them. Of mine. Oh, no. Becca might cut on a dime, glow in the dark. See me anytime. You used to put the Xbox controller on my digging let it vibrate. How about jerk off as a child? Came a long way. Now, Hey, girl. You, me, fuck, and it should work. Hey. Her brother looking at me like, hey. Fuck it, bro.
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Sway. Her brother looking at me like, hey. Fucker bro.
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I'm like Kareem Abdul. Karim
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Abdulja Ball. These hooks got me scoring. See me coming from afar rather than France. I'm ever need in advance. I'm switching it up like I'm trans. Oh, donned the Trojan man. I'm eating a pussy like cervical cancer. I know where I'm going shit if my GP has gotta sleep in my sedan. I can't do the shmurda dance, sir. I get caught up. It's
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gonna work for you. Sometimes, I'll catch it for a minute. J. Witter, y'all wonder how I did it. My mom hit me once she lugged it in suit, but I'll stomp y'all loud like a donkey can sue. All the shoe brands wanted me to sign. I remember they thought I was loaned Yalin. Never not be another like me. I could go viral if I put out a snippet. I'm sick like a coder you really could get it. I'll always be playing just like I'm embedded.
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gonna work for you. Sometimes, I'll catch it for a minute. J. Witter, y'all wonder how I did it. My mom hit me once she lugged it and sue, but I'll stomp y'all loud like a donkey can sue. All the shoe brands wanted me to sign. I remember they thought I was loaned Yalin. Never not be another like me. I could go viral if I put out a snippet. I'm sick like a coder you really could get it. I'll always be playing just like I'm embedded.
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I got a leg of my ottomans doing. I tell vision show is coming, but that is irrelevant. Right now, I'm rapping like presents kids. How did I get here? I got big. Rapping like diddy, I'm prevalent. How do let me find the melody. All my fans are getting mad at me. They just wanna hear me spazzing now, but I just had to put a couple smashers out. How is shit of pop star, rap name is a dick joke. How did he make it that far? Could pussy at the crib like a house cat? They're waiting on my buzz like the outback in and out the bag like I make tea. When I do shopping screens, eyebrows aren't like AD, and girls get wet like navy because the light comes definitely shooting. Players in the NBA text me.
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I got a leg of my ottomans doing. I tell vision show is coming, but that is irrelevant. Right now, I'm rapping like presents kids. How did I get here? I got big. Rapping like diddy, I'm prevalent. How do let me find the melody. All my fans are getting mad at me. They just wanna hear me spazzing now, but I just had to put a couple smashers out. How is shit of pop star, rap name is a dick joke. How did he make it that far? Could pussy at the crib like a house cat? They're waiting on my buzz like the outback in and out the bag like I make tea. When I do shopping screens, eyebrows on like AD, and girls get wet like navy because the light comes definitely shooting. Players in the NBA text me.
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If I want a diet coke, someone brings me diet coke. All my life shows nuts, like, exposed tested coke. What a wait. Let me live my shipment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look at my penmanship. Alright. I'm a carl's Junior model for real.
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Just on a side like soccer moms. Soccer a sold you stock and bond. Have a so fast light drama down to autobahn to Sharmen running down the bond from Carson's arm. I'm off to form. I'm on the court. The jumbotron is on the voided, whmis on Lebron is not it. And my James worthy. Look at my bars on Metuff like Bernie.
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Oh, we having fun. Yeah. Girls see me and start blushing just because I'm around, I used to always a boner wrap my physical sway. If this is cultural appropriation,
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what can I say? What would you have me do? You know, I gotta wrap. But the times now we're Gary. Hold up. Wait. Take a step back, Dave. Think about the shit. Internet is a permanent place. This is gonna live forever.
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Breathe, analyze. Think about everything.
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Such an idiot. I used to cover r kelly songs at my shows without even knowing it was problematic.
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I feel the pressure under more scrutiny. What do I do? At more Jewishly? Come on, sway. Write my eulogy.
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Am I looking like I need to get a job or looking like I need a bodyguard. I Clayton is with Leonardo. How y'all train on track like cargo? I go down don't dumb it up. Don't fuck on planes, but I'm coming up. Add up my views to sum it up. I was just a strong sport senator.
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I think this is good. I've done enough. My hair is looking mad like son of Now let me go and finish up my album Jesse Smollett. You know, I'm a fuck it up.
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Oh.
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And I'm
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You don't do dickie ladies and gentlemen.
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One done. And now, Kel, you see how that man did that right now.
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That last line. He only took a line that gets to me, man. Oh my god. Anything else, Jesse. The one and only, Little Dicke, ladies, gentlemen.
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You're a man of your word.
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I feel like I can rule the I know I could be what I want to.
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I put my all in it like days off on a road. Let's travel never looking back.
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