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Alright. Let's do this. What, what topics you got today? I've got a billy of a week.

Alright. Let's do this. What, what topics you got today? I've got a billy of a week.

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A million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool?

A million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool?

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A billion dollars.

A billion dollars.

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Alright.

Alright.

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So I'm gonna tell you some facts about this billy of the week, and I want you to see if you can guess who this person is. Alright? Okay. I'm game. So Steve Jobs so one one time Steve Jobs approached him, on advice about designing the Apple stores. And when they discuss each of their products, Steve said to this guy, I'm not sure if the iPhone is gonna be very popular in twenty years, but I'm certain that your products are definitely going to be popular. So that's one interesting thing about them. Interesting. Okay. He's had multiple tennis with with Roger Federer. He lives in a hundred and fifty year old Castle.

So I'm gonna tell you some facts about this billy of the week, and I want you to see if you can guess who this person is. Alright? Okay. I'm game. So Steve Jobs so one one time Steve Jobs approached him, on advice about designing the Apple stores. And when they discuss each of their products, Steve said to this guy, I'm not sure if the iPhone is gonna be very popular in twenty years, but I'm certain that your products are definitely going to be popular. So that's one interesting thing about them. Interesting. Okay. He's had multiple tennis with with Roger Federer. He lives in a hundred and fifty year old Castle.

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And last year, his company did eighty four billion in revenue and twenty two billion in operating profits And

And last year, his company did eighty four billion in revenue and twenty two billion in operating profits And

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this is Mike Give it away.

this is Mike Give it away.

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This year, his company was the fourth largest company in the world. And oftentimes,

This year, his company was the fourth largest company in the world. And oftentimes,

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he's number one on the richest person in the world.

he's number one on the richest person in the world.

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The Louis Vuitton guy. The Louis Vuitton guy.

The Louis Vuitton guy. The Louis Vuitton guy.

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Was the name Renee. I don't know how is how to say his day because it's French. We're gonna call him Bernie, but, it's,

Was the name Renee. I don't know how is how to say his day because it's French. We're gonna call him Bernie, but, it's,

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it's Bernard Arnold.

it's Bernard Arnold.

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I don't know if the t is silent.

I don't know if the t is silent.

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Sorry.

Sorry.

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But It's it's usually not a hard t, but we're gonna go with that.

But It's it's usually not a hard t, but we're gonna go with that.

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Is that a hard tea or is that a soft tea? I don't know. Bernie Arnie, you are the man.

Is that a hard tea or is that a soft tea? I don't know. Bernie Arnie, you are the man.

01:40

So so Steve Jobs really went to this guy,

So so Steve Jobs really went to this guy,

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Dude, yeah. And a lot of people really respect this guy. So I'll I'll like give you a little bit about his background, but some facts about him. So he owns forty six percent. So the Louis Vuitton empire, it's called VMH. So it's a multinational luxury goods conglomerate deal market cap of four hundred thirty billion. Oftentimes, him, Elon, and, like, Bezos go back and forth.

Dude, yeah. And a lot of people really respect this guy. So I'll I'll like give you a little bit about his background, but some facts about him. So he owns forty six percent. So the Louis Vuitton empire, it's called VMH. So it's a multinational luxury goods conglomerate deal market cap of four hundred thirty billion. Oftentimes, him, Elon, and, like, Bezos go back and forth.

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But he's kind of the odd man out because he's not, like, he, like, dresses really nice and he, like, looks as, like, a -- Right. Someone who owns Louis Vuitton would look. He's, like, has this black turtleneck and a nice sports jacket, but he's been called the,

But he's kind of the odd man out because he's not, like, he, like, dresses really nice and he, like, looks as, like, a -- Right. Someone who owns Louis Vuitton would look. He's, like, has this black turtleneck and a nice sports jacket, but he's been called the,

02:17

well, I believe it's like the the the, the wolf in cashmere sweaters or something like that because he's like he's pretty ruthless, but he, like, dresses nice. But,

well, I believe it's like the the the, the wolf in cashmere sweaters or something like that because he's like he's pretty ruthless, but he, like, dresses nice. But,

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yeah, I'll tell you a little bit about them. So at twenty one, it's kind of an interesting background. So The denim fox. Right? The denim fox. Yeah.

yeah, I'll tell you a little bit about them. So at twenty one, it's kind of an interesting background. So The denim fox. Right? The denim fox. Yeah.

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I wish. The the Jorg juggernaut is what they call it. The dog and the Canadian tux. That's what I'm known for.

I wish. The the Jorg juggernaut is what they call it. The dog and the Canadian tux. That's what I'm known for.

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The denim dog. So listen.

The denim dog. So listen.

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I have twenty one Bernie joined his father's construction company after fin finishing his engineering degree. And by twenty five, he was the CEO of the company. The company wasn't small at all.

I have twenty one Bernie joined his father's construction company after fin finishing his engineering degree. And by twenty five, he was the CEO of the company. The company wasn't small at all.

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At at the time, it was doing, something like ten million in revenue, which is the equivalent of forty million now, and had a thousand employees. But right when he joined, he, like, he said, let's expand. So we got into, like, some he started investing investing the profits and some finance businesses and the real estate things like that. Then in nineteen eighty one, He goes to the US and he starts expanding the business. And eventually he like specializes specializes in town homes, sells a bunch of them, makes the equivalent of seventy five million dollars now

At at the time, it was doing, something like ten million in revenue, which is the equivalent of forty million now, and had a thousand employees. But right when he joined, he, like, he said, let's expand. So we got into, like, some he started investing investing the profits and some finance businesses and the real estate things like that. Then in nineteen eighty one, He goes to the US and he starts expanding the business. And eventually he like specializes specializes in town homes, sells a bunch of them, makes the equivalent of seventy five million dollars now

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which was twenty five million back then or that's what he sold this company for. I don't know what he made from it, but there's an interesting thing that happens. So he's in the cab. He's in a taxi in New York. And he asked the taxi driver if he heard of the president of France.

which was twenty five million back then or that's what he sold this company for. I don't know what he made from it, but there's an interesting thing that happens. So he's in the cab. He's in a taxi in New York. And he asked the taxi driver if he heard of the president of France.

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And the taxi driver was like, nope, never, but I know all about Christian Dior who, you know, Dior is like a, like, a luxury,

And the taxi driver was like, nope, never, but I know all about Christian Dior who, you know, Dior is like a, like, a luxury,

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a luxury brand.

a luxury brand.

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And he started thinking he's like, okay. So this guy who's, like, just a normal guy in New York doesn't know who president of Francis, but he knows all about Christian Dior. Like, maybe I should explore,

And he started thinking he's like, okay. So this guy who's, like, just a normal guy in New York doesn't know who president of Francis, but he knows all about Christian Dior. Like, maybe I should explore,

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like luxury brands. And so he he buys the holding company eventually of Dior. And it was like all, like, he got inspired by that first taxi cab meeting. He raises a bunch of money, buys it, fires a ton of people, turns it around, sells like the the other brands that Dior owns, and it's a really good success. And that's like his first big entry into luxury brands, then

like luxury brands. And so he he buys the holding company eventually of Dior. And it was like all, like, he got inspired by that first taxi cab meeting. He raises a bunch of money, buys it, fires a ton of people, turns it around, sells like the the other brands that Dior owns, and it's a really good success. And that's like his first big entry into luxury brands, then

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in nineteen eighty seven, he gets the idea,

in nineteen eighty seven, he gets the idea,

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to buy Louis Vuitton, and he does the same thing where he raises a bunch of money, and he buys it, and he fires a bunch of people, and definitely turns it out. Was Louis Vuitton a a big deal? Was it doing was it very successful at the time, or was it, like, distressed?

to buy Louis Vuitton, and he does the same thing where he raises a bunch of money, and he buys it, and he fires a bunch of people, and definitely turns it out. Was Louis Vuitton a a big deal? Was it doing was it very successful at the time, or was it, like, distressed?

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It was. Kristen Dore was, like, distressed when he bought they both were distressed, but they were both brands. And so that kind of brings us to, like, the big point here, which is,

It was. Kristen Dore was, like, distressed when he bought they both were distressed, but they were both brands. And so that kind of brings us to, like, the big point here, which is,

04:35

I mean, Louis Vuitton has been around for hundreds of years. Or at least a hundred years. I think from that since the eighteen hundreds, but they they were kind of mismanaged. So have you seen that movie with, I think it's Lady Gaga, Lady Giga, where she, like, is the does that how they say it? Lady Gaga?

I mean, Louis Vuitton has been around for hundreds of years. Or at least a hundred years. I think from that since the eighteen hundreds, but they they were kind of mismanaged. So have you seen that movie with, I think it's Lady Gaga, Lady Giga, where she, like, is the does that how they say it? Lady Gaga?

04:54

Where she have you seen that movie where she plays, like, the wife of, like, the Gucci guy in, like, murders him? I saw part of it. Yeah. Yeah. You saw the trailer. To be honest with you. Yeah. It was only Deese. But, you know, big gaga fan. So,

Where she have you seen that movie where she plays, like, the wife of, like, the Gucci guy in, like, murders him? I saw part of it. Yeah. Yeah. You saw the trailer. To be honest with you. Yeah. It was only Deese. But, you know, big gaga fan. So,

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they, it's like mismanaged. So, like, a lot of these family businesses, they, like, have great style, but it's kinda like, you know, like, a a singer managing their own career, like, maybe, like, you know, the left part of the brain doesn't actually work well with business, but it would feel great and stuff. And so it was the same thing where it was definitely mismanaged. He raises all this money, and he just turns them into an operation powerhouse. And then he just starts going on a on a on a spree where he starts buying all the stuff. So he owns all these brands. He owns, you know, I don't freaking buy any of this shit. So I'm gonna look like an idiot talking about it. But Sephora, which is like the big makeup thing.

they, it's like mismanaged. So, like, a lot of these family businesses, they, like, have great style, but it's kinda like, you know, like, a a singer managing their own career, like, maybe, like, you know, the left part of the brain doesn't actually work well with business, but it would feel great and stuff. And so it was the same thing where it was definitely mismanaged. He raises all this money, and he just turns them into an operation powerhouse. And then he just starts going on a on a on a spree where he starts buying all the stuff. So he owns all these brands. He owns, you know, I don't freaking buy any of this shit. So I'm gonna look like an idiot talking about it. But Sephora, which is like the big makeup thing.

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Fendi, which is another popular thing, Bulgaria,

Fendi, which is another popular thing, Bulgaria,

05:42

Mark Jacobs, like, if

Mark Jacobs, like, if

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everything that a woman aspires to own, he owns, like, a huge portion of of that market. But I wanna tell you about a few of the things,

everything that a woman aspires to own, he owns, like, a huge portion of of that market. But I wanna tell you about a few of the things,

05:52

that interests or that make me interested in this guy. And first, have you have you heard about you know anything about him? I'd only seen him because he's at the top of the rich list and he's, you know, l l v m h, but I I didn't know I didn't know this backstory. So go on. So what interests me about him is I think Peter Till has this book. What's that book called? Zero to one. Zero to one. And it's awesome. I I really like reading that book and it it kinda had an impact on me where he talked about like extreme personalities and having

that interests or that make me interested in this guy. And first, have you have you heard about you know anything about him? I'd only seen him because he's at the top of the rich list and he's, you know, l l v m h, but I I didn't know I didn't know this backstory. So go on. So what interests me about him is I think Peter Till has this book. What's that book called? Zero to one. Zero to one. And it's awesome. I I really like reading that book and it it kinda had an impact on me where he talked about like extreme personalities and having

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results and all about like an engineering culture yada yada yada, but there's one part of the book where he lists out all the motes. He's like, you can have like, you can like know like a secret that no one else knows. You could have like a patent. You could have technology that no one else has, whatever.

results and all about like an engineering culture yada yada yada, but there's one part of the book where he lists out all the motes. He's like, you can have like, you can like know like a secret that no one else knows. You could have like a patent. You could have technology that no one else has, whatever.

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But and then he mentions there's just one moat called brand That's a huge moat. And I think he's like, I never understood Brent, so I don't have to invest in this. There's one sentence that he says, this is definitely a boat. Not for me. I don't get it. I don't understand it. And I always thought that was funny because when a lot of like tech people discuss motes, they talk about like technology, network effects. Yada yada yada. Rarely do they discuss brand? Well, this guy, Bernie, that's truly what he understood where he was like, no, they're like, that's where all my margin is. It's because I can create a brand I'm gonna create luxury goods. I'm gonna get luxury margins and not only that. It's gonna live for forever. So, Louis Vuitton, by the way, was founded in eighteen fifty four.

But and then he mentions there's just one moat called brand That's a huge moat. And I think he's like, I never understood Brent, so I don't have to invest in this. There's one sentence that he says, this is definitely a boat. Not for me. I don't get it. I don't understand it. And I always thought that was funny because when a lot of like tech people discuss motes, they talk about like technology, network effects. Yada yada yada. Rarely do they discuss brand? Well, this guy, Bernie, that's truly what he understood where he was like, no, they're like, that's where all my margin is. It's because I can create a brand I'm gonna create luxury goods. I'm gonna get luxury margins and not only that. It's gonna live for forever. So, Louis Vuitton, by the way, was founded in eighteen fifty four.

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And he bay his whole thing was like, in ten years, there'll be far fewer luxury brands and the ones that survive will be more important because people are getting richer and richer and richer And if a brand has been around for fifty years, he thinks it can be around for another fifty or a hundred fifty years. So that's like his whole shtick. And, I thought that was interesting. And he,

And he bay his whole thing was like, in ten years, there'll be far fewer luxury brands and the ones that survive will be more important because people are getting richer and richer and richer And if a brand has been around for fifty years, he thinks it can be around for another fifty or a hundred fifty years. So that's like his whole shtick. And, I thought that was interesting. And he,

07:29

has this rare combo of operational excellence

has this rare combo of operational excellence

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and also, like, good style and understanding brand because typically,

and also, like, good style and understanding brand because typically,

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This might be an overreaching statement, but a lot of times these really rich people are, like,

This might be an overreaching statement, but a lot of times these really rich people are, like,

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maybe, like, what's his name?

maybe, like, what's his name?

07:45

Warren Buffett might be a little bit like that where he, like, sees, like, what a good business is, and he's like, well, I don't care. This could probably last for a long time. Let's just do it. I can look at the spreadsheets and I can understand

Warren Buffett might be a little bit like that where he, like, sees, like, what a good business is, and he's like, well, I don't care. This could probably last for a long time. Let's just do it. I can look at the spreadsheets and I can understand

07:53

And then other times there's people who are like this is a sick brand and they just totally but they totally mismanage it and they're not numbers oriented.

And then other times there's people who are like this is a sick brand and they just totally but they totally mismanage it and they're not numbers oriented.

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But then you got a guy like this guy who, like, does a pretty good job of, like, being pretty ruthless that you, like, you need to be in order to make the business hugely profitable and very successful, but also, like, understands, like, vision and, some of these intangible things basically like how to make shit cool, which is very, very, very challenging. It's hard to have just that let alone both of those features. So I thought that guy was interesting.

But then you got a guy like this guy who, like, does a pretty good job of, like, being pretty ruthless that you, like, you need to be in order to make the business hugely profitable and very successful, but also, like, understands, like, vision and, some of these intangible things basically like how to make shit cool, which is very, very, very challenging. It's hard to have just that let alone both of those features. So I thought that guy was interesting.

08:21

And he has a few interesting quotes, and I'll wrap up. So luxury goods are the only area which is possible to make luxury margins. For me, luxury is how do you create desire? And then he says, I'm optimistic long term, pessimistic short term. So interesting interesting guy,

And he has a few interesting quotes, and I'll wrap up. So luxury goods are the only area which is possible to make luxury margins. For me, luxury is how do you create desire? And then he says, I'm optimistic long term, pessimistic short term. So interesting interesting guy,

08:37

He is here's another one. I think that's, like, something about being rich without,

He is here's another one. I think that's, like, something about being rich without,

08:43

being famous. He has some some quote like that And he's not quite a recluse, but he, like,

being famous. He has some some quote like that And he's not quite a recluse, but he, like,

08:48

owns this island in the Bahamas, where he spends most of his time. Obviously, flies private.

owns this island in the Bahamas, where he spends most of his time. Obviously, flies private.

08:53

And it's somewhat under the radar compared to Bezos who's in the news with his, you know, new girlfriend and things like that. This guy's pretty low key. And his business, he owns, like, all the voting shares and all that. And he when he dies, he already says he's giving twenty percent to each of his five children. And it's run like a family business. So in that regard, he's pretty low key and out of out of the out of media,

And it's somewhat under the radar compared to Bezos who's in the news with his, you know, new girlfriend and things like that. This guy's pretty low key. And his business, he owns, like, all the voting shares and all that. And he when he dies, he already says he's giving twenty percent to each of his five children. And it's run like a family business. So in that regard, he's pretty low key and out of out of the out of media,

09:15

mostly.

mostly.

09:16

Right.

Right.

09:18

Yeah. Okay. I can't can't really fully find it, but, he had said some there's some French phrase, which is like the only,

Yeah. Okay. I can't can't really fully find it, but, he had said some there's some French phrase, which is like the only,

09:25

something about,

something about,

09:27

something about being, you know, be happy,

something about being, you know, be happy,

09:31

you know, that basically is it it was something around the idea of you wanna be wealthy but not rich. And he had some cool French way of saying it, but I can't find it off the top of my head here.

you know, that basically is it it was something around the idea of you wanna be wealthy but not rich. And he had some cool French way of saying it, but I can't find it off the top of my head here.

09:40

It could be a lot cooler if you did, but that's

It could be a lot cooler if you did, but that's

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sure would.

sure would.

09:48

That's my that's my billy of the week.

That's my that's my billy of the week.

09:51

Dude, I have another, like, weird internet culture thing that I was, kind of related to, like, your engineers. I was thinking about this. And

Dude, I have another, like, weird internet culture thing that I was, kind of related to, like, your engineers. I was thinking about this. And

09:59

I think that what I'm about to say is incredibly

I think that what I'm about to say is incredibly

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not normal,

not normal,

10:03

but I think for you, it's normal and it's incredibly normal for me. And it's probably a wonderful bunch of our friends.

but I think for you, it's normal and it's incredibly normal for me. And it's probably a wonderful bunch of our friends.

10:10

So I was thinking about this. We got we I have this new re researcher that you're trying to steal from me a little bit.

So I was thinking about this. We got we I have this new re researcher that you're trying to steal from me a little bit.

10:16

And

And

10:17

he I met him through a friend of a friend, but it all started on Twitter, the Twitter DMs.

he I met him through a friend of a friend, but it all started on Twitter, the Twitter DMs.

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And without talking to this person, like,

And without talking to this person, like,

10:24

whether phone or or Zoom or whatever meeting in person, we just like text and we hire them and we do a business exchange. And like you put a lot of trust in one another,

whether phone or or Zoom or whatever meeting in person, we just like text and we hire them and we do a business exchange. And like you put a lot of trust in one another,

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And I've realized I've done this, like, twenty times where some of, like, my best coworkers and best,

And I've realized I've done this, like, twenty times where some of, like, my best coworkers and best,

10:42

some of my best friends, in fact, It just started like through internet culture and we very rarely exchange words. And we've done like some relatively big business together where we're like exchanging

some of my best friends, in fact, It just started like through internet culture and we very rarely exchange words. And we've done like some relatively big business together where we're like exchanging

10:52

ten thousands of dollars a month, or we've invested one in other companies

ten thousands of dollars a month, or we've invested one in other companies

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or whatever. So I've done it with

or whatever. So I've done it with

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the partner of my latest company.

the partner of my latest company.

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Joe. We basically were Facebook friends. Have you ever done that?

Joe. We basically were Facebook friends. Have you ever done that?

11:04

Yeah. Maybe only, like, six times.

Yeah. Maybe only, like, six times.

11:07

But, like, we knew each other for, like, five years before we really, like, talked a lot in person. I've done it with this guy Diego who, I'm helping him with his agency business. I know I heard a funny story from about you on this. So,

But, like, we knew each other for, like, five years before we really, like, talked a lot in person. I've done it with this guy Diego who, I'm helping him with his agency business. I know I heard a funny story from about you on this. So,

11:20

somebody who's worked with you goes, yeah, Sam gave me the login to his Instagram or like that or did LinkedIn? I don't know what it was. And what is it that you requested back from this internet stranger, Sam?

somebody who's worked with you goes, yeah, Sam gave me the login to his Instagram or like that or did LinkedIn? I don't know what it was. And what is it that you requested back from this internet stranger, Sam?

11:32

I asked for his Social Security number. I asked for his girlfriend's Social Security number. I asked for,

I asked for his Social Security number. I asked for his girlfriend's Social Security number. I asked for,

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a picture ID of both him and his girlfriend and a utility bill. So I knew exactly where he lived.

a picture ID of both him and his girlfriend and a utility bill. So I knew exactly where he lived.

11:51

Ground checks. Like, dude, what what is your plan? Okay. Let's say what is he gonna do? Alright. Let's say he posts up there changes the password. What are you gonna do with this utility bill and his Social Security number? What is your what is your revenge?

Ground checks. Like, dude, what what is your plan? Okay. Let's say what is he gonna do? Alright. Let's say he posts up there changes the password. What are you gonna do with this utility bill and his Social Security number? What is your what is your revenge?

12:05

Well, I don't know, but I know it's scary enough that if someone has that, I I don't know, sign them up for a credit card. I would I would show up through his house for sure. I would make sure it's a crime.

Well, I don't know, but I know it's scary enough that if someone has that, I I don't know, sign them up for a credit card. I would I would show up through his house for sure. I would make sure it's a crime.

12:14

Yeah. I don't know. But I don't know. Maybe it's like scary enough that it worked. But have you done this? Have you like done business with a bunch of it? It's not anonymous people because you actually get to know them. But Internet. It's like a weird internet. Totally. Totally. That's, like, very normal now at this point, which is strange. It shouldn't it almost feels like it shouldn't be normal, but it is. I don't think it's normal for most people.

Yeah. I don't know. But I don't know. Maybe it's like scary enough that it worked. But have you done this? Have you like done business with a bunch of it? It's not anonymous people because you actually get to know them. But Internet. It's like a weird internet. Totally. Totally. That's, like, very normal now at this point, which is strange. It shouldn't it almost feels like it shouldn't be normal, but it is. I don't think it's normal for most people.

12:34

I mean, it just seems natural. See, I feel like I know these people. I see their writing or I hear their podcasts or they they email me a bunch of times and we go back and forth, and then they're in lack, and then sure sure enough, it's like, hey,

I mean, it just seems natural. See, I feel like I know these people. I see their writing or I hear their podcasts or they they email me a bunch of times and we go back and forth, and then they're in lack, and then sure sure enough, it's like, hey,

12:46

you know, here's everything. Yeah. Here here's the keys to the castle. And once you get that, then once you're working together or you're doing things together, that builds even more trust. And it just layers on. And then you meet them four years later, and you're like, you see them in person. And then you're like, nice to meet you.

you know, here's everything. Yeah. Here here's the keys to the castle. And once you get that, then once you're working together or you're doing things together, that builds even more trust. And it just layers on. And then you meet them four years later, and you're like, you see them in person. And then you're like, nice to meet you.

13:03

You know, you don't know what to say. It's like, nice to see your nice to see your body.

You know, you don't know what to say. It's like, nice to see your nice to see your body.

13:07

That's certainly the accurate way to say it. Nice to nice to see your face finally.

That's certainly the accurate way to say it. Nice to nice to see your face finally.

13:11

Yeah. Like sick legs. Dude, I'm

Yeah. Like sick legs. Dude, I'm

13:13

I'm okay not meeting these people. I I like it how it is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Like, I I enjoy these types of relationships. We have this feature not a bug. Right? For sure. And we have this one dev. I have this dev working on a project,

I'm okay not meeting these people. I I like it how it is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Like, I I enjoy these types of relationships. We have this feature not a bug. Right? For sure. And we have this one dev. I have this dev working on a project,

13:25

that I have. And he's in Hong Kong, and he's in high school. And he built this amazing thing. And I don't really know anything about him other than I wanna work with you for a very long time. And, like, I would just that he sent me some of his work and it was so awesome. And I just realized this is super odd and also amazing. And I don't think a lot of people realize that you could like do business like this because I'll tell my family and they'll think of crazy. But it's become so normal at this point that I don't even I I forget that it's not normal amongst others. Right.

that I have. And he's in Hong Kong, and he's in high school. And he built this amazing thing. And I don't really know anything about him other than I wanna work with you for a very long time. And, like, I would just that he sent me some of his work and it was so awesome. And I just realized this is super odd and also amazing. And I don't think a lot of people realize that you could like do business like this because I'll tell my family and they'll think of crazy. But it's become so normal at this point that I don't even I I forget that it's not normal amongst others. Right.

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Right. Yeah. Totally. I've also a lot of my real life friends, I just sort of, like, shifted more to online. I'm like, hey, let's we can hang out ten times more.

Right. Yeah. Totally. I've also a lot of my real life friends, I just sort of, like, shifted more to online. I'm like, hey, let's we can hang out ten times more.

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Through the group chat and through a bunch of a bunch of these little, like, like, you know, apps or things like that. I I feel like I get to know them better that way almost and you know, anybody got time to hang on a person anymore. And now we know why the birth rate in America is declining rapidly, but Yeah. This basically, like, is, a thing that I do. And I thought I should bring that up because I don't think most people realize, like, how some of that stuff happens. And it's actually quite random how it happens, but if I see like a nineteen year old who's like impressive or like a twenty one who's impressive and like writes well and is like clever in my DMs, some this sounds like creepy, but I'm like, I'm I'm I'm interested in giving them a shot on something. And so it's really cool how these like little projects actually turn into, like, pretty meaningful things after a while. Right. Yeah. They're IyBs, interesting young boys.

Through the group chat and through a bunch of a bunch of these little, like, like, you know, apps or things like that. I I feel like I get to know them better that way almost and you know, anybody got time to hang on a person anymore. And now we know why the birth rate in America is declining rapidly, but Yeah. This basically, like, is, a thing that I do. And I thought I should bring that up because I don't think most people realize, like, how some of that stuff happens. And it's actually quite random how it happens, but if I see like a nineteen year old who's like impressive or like a twenty one who's impressive and like writes well and is like clever in my DMs, some this sounds like creepy, but I'm like, I'm I'm I'm interested in giving them a shot on something. And so it's really cool how these like little projects actually turn into, like, pretty meaningful things after a while. Right. Yeah. They're IyBs, interesting young boys.

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Is it not a Michael Jackson song? Pretty I o pretty I o b. Pretty pretty little things as well.

Is it not a Michael Jackson song? Pretty I o pretty I o b. Pretty pretty little things as well.

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Alright, b. No disrespect.

Alright, b. No disrespect.

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Alright. I wanna tell you about somebody interesting I met recently too.

Alright. I wanna tell you about somebody interesting I met recently too.

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So

So

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did we talk about

did we talk about

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Chris,

Chris,

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sparring on the podcast yet?

sparring on the podcast yet?

15:15

Yeah. So, we have this great friend named Andrew Wilkinson who has

Yeah. So, we have this great friend named Andrew Wilkinson who has

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maybe close to a billion dollar empire and Chris is his partner in crime.

maybe close to a billion dollar empire and Chris is his partner in crime.

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And I had never met him until we went to that event in Vancouver for the show.

And I had never met him until we went to that event in Vancouver for the show.

15:28

And, You guys are really similar. You guys are very similar. Me and him?

And, You guys are really similar. You guys are very similar. Me and him?

15:33

You have similar some some similar

You have similar some some similar

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parts of you. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

parts of you. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

15:38

A couple of a couple of observations I would say about him. I wanna I want you to tell me if you because you've interacted with him. Right? You've you've met him?

A couple of a couple of observations I would say about him. I wanna I want you to tell me if you because you've interacted with him. Right? You've you've met him?

15:45

Only a couple times, but, yeah. And we're both very interested in these kinda like high performers

Only a couple times, but, yeah. And we're both very interested in these kinda like high performers

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especially in this case. It's a high performer

especially in this case. It's a high performer

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who

who

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went and built their own island and did they won in their signature way. I think that that's particularly what's interesting to us. Like, if somebody's just like,

went and built their own island and did they won in their signature way. I think that that's particularly what's interesting to us. Like, if somebody's just like,

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I don't know, some VP at Google, I'm a lot less interested than somebody like Chris, who basically

I don't know, some VP at Google, I'm a lot less interested than somebody like Chris, who basically

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made their own path. I think he he, you know, Andrew Metham when he was working at a bank. He was like a banker.

made their own path. I think he he, you know, Andrew Metham when he was working at a bank. He was like a banker.

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Not like a cool investment banker, but like a go to the bank. I need to write a check banker.

Not like a cool investment banker, but like a go to the bank. I need to write a check banker.

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And they started talking about cars, because Andrea drove up in a cool car.

And they started talking about cars, because Andrea drove up in a cool car.

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And, they both nerd out about cars, and then they were like, okay. What's going on? You know, do you need for? You're getting like a line of credit or whatever for your business? What's your business?

And, they both nerd out about cars, and then they were like, okay. What's going on? You know, do you need for? You're getting like a line of credit or whatever for your business? What's your business?

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Chris was like, yeah. I'm like studying to be like a CPA or like about to get my my license to be an accountant or something like that. And,

Chris was like, yeah. I'm like studying to be like a CPA or like about to get my my license to be an accountant or something like that. And,

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Andrew was like, hey, you wanna just leave here with me and, like, you know, work with me and

Andrew was like, hey, you wanna just leave here with me and, like, you know, work with me and

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you know, Chris That actually happened at the bank.

you know, Chris That actually happened at the bank.

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He didn't say it like that, but he, you know, he offered him a job. He said, you should come work with me. Like, I need help. He at the time, Andrew just had Metallab his design agency was doing well and,

He didn't say it like that, but he, you know, he offered him a job. He said, you should come work with me. Like, I need help. He at the time, Andrew just had Metallab his design agency was doing well and,

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had gotten to maybe a couple million dollars a year of profit.

had gotten to maybe a couple million dollars a year of profit.

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You know,

You know,

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let's call it, I don't know, four or five years in, something like that. But so so he hadn't started what became tiny, which was acquiring a bunch of other internet companies, And so Chris tells the story. Here's some of the things that I took away from this, this this meeting. So one interesting part of the story goes, so my first day at work, I show up

let's call it, I don't know, four or five years in, something like that. But so so he hadn't started what became tiny, which was acquiring a bunch of other internet companies, And so Chris tells the story. Here's some of the things that I took away from this, this this meeting. So one interesting part of the story goes, so my first day at work, I show up

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Andrew's not there. I'm just, like, waiting at the door. And,

Andrew's not there. I'm just, like, waiting at the door. And,

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thirty minutes go by. Andrew's not there. Andrew rolls up in a Uber with, like, you know, one Air pod hanging out of zero, whatever.

thirty minutes go by. Andrew's not there. Andrew rolls up in a Uber with, like, you know, one Air pod hanging out of zero, whatever.

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And he's got he opens up the trunk. He takes up this giant box full of papers.

And he's got he opens up the trunk. He takes up this giant box full of papers.

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And he's like, he's like, you're here. Okay. Fantastic. Here's, all of our papers. For, like, you know, here's the business finances.

And he's like, he's like, you're here. Okay. Fantastic. Here's, all of our papers. For, like, you know, here's the business finances.

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I gotta go to a meeting, and there's no office space for you. So I talked to my neighbor. They have room in their basement. So just go knock on the door, tell him you're with Andrew, and, like, there's a desk in their basement, and, like, here's this box of papers that he's like, Andrew left.

I gotta go to a meeting, and there's no office space for you. So I talked to my neighbor. They have room in their basement. So just go knock on the door, tell him you're with Andrew, and, like, there's a desk in their basement, and, like, here's this box of papers that he's like, Andrew left.

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Chris is like, man, I made a huge mistake. Who is this guy? What what is happening here? He goes, he knocks on the door. He's a k. Do you have, like, a basement desk for me. Like, yeah. Yeah. Come on in. And they He was like, when you see the guy with the hole in his boot, you know, you're there. You're right. No. His boot. Exactly.

Chris is like, man, I made a huge mistake. Who is this guy? What what is happening here? He goes, he knocks on the door. He's a k. Do you have, like, a basement desk for me. Like, yeah. Yeah. Come on in. And they He was like, when you see the guy with the hole in his boot, you know, you're there. You're right. No. His boot. Exactly.

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He's like, so that's how it started. And then I go, okay. So then that time is just doing metal lab. So what how does this become tiny? And he goes,

He's like, so that's how it started. And then I go, okay. So then that time is just doing metal lab. So what how does this become tiny? And he goes,

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well, We looked at the business, and the business was good. Business was generating revenues, generating profit, and it's like, okay. Well, like, what do we do with this profit?

well, We looked at the business, and the business was good. Business was generating revenues, generating profit, and it's like, okay. Well, like, what do we do with this profit?

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What are we supposed to, you know, should we reinvest this in some way into the business? Like, can we grow? Can we should we hire people? Because I don't know. What do all agencies do? He goes, agencies

What are we supposed to, you know, should we reinvest this in some way into the business? Like, can we grow? Can we should we hire people? Because I don't know. What do all agencies do? He goes, agencies

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hire a bunch of people,

hire a bunch of people,

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and then buy fancy offices and they put a basketball hoop in the office. Like, you know, put a a play pit in the office. And he's like,

and then buy fancy offices and they put a basketball hoop in the office. Like, you know, put a a play pit in the office. And he's like,

18:45

Yeah. That doesn't seem like a good idea. We should not do that. That's kind of the only thing they agreed on. Let's not do that. They go, well,

Yeah. That doesn't seem like a good idea. We should not do that. That's kind of the only thing they agreed on. Let's not do that. They go, well,

18:51

okay. We can't follow agencies to figure out what we should do. Like, you know, how should we think about this? And they go, well,

okay. We can't follow agencies to figure out what we should do. Like, you know, how should we think about this? And they go, well,

18:57

look, we're a business that has clients,

look, we're a business that has clients,

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and we have, you know, like, service team and then we have some profits. Like, we are a boring law firm. Let's just pretend we're a boring law firm.

and we have, you know, like, service team and then we have some profits. Like, we are a boring law firm. Let's just pretend we're a boring law firm.

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Let's not try to be a cool agent see. Let's be a boring law firm and not get too high on our own supply.

Let's not try to be a cool agent see. Let's be a boring law firm and not get too high on our own supply.

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Okay. So what what could we do with any of these profits? If we weren't gonna, like, try to just get flashier and flashier with the design agency.

Okay. So what what could we do with any of these profits? If we weren't gonna, like, try to just get flashier and flashier with the design agency.

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And that's where they decided let's buy a better business than our current business. So, like, let's buy a business that has recurring revenues, maybe that has less service oriented, more of a product,

And that's where they decided let's buy a better business than our current business. So, like, let's buy a business that has recurring revenues, maybe that has less service oriented, more of a product,

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and let's use the profits from the service business to buy increasingly better business So I thought I liked that story, that frame. I enjoyed that. And and what was the first thing that they bought? Was it dribble?

and let's use the profits from the service business to buy increasingly better business So I thought I liked that story, that frame. I enjoyed that. And and what was the first thing that they bought? Was it dribble?

19:39

No. That wasn't the first thing. I don't I don't know. I don't know exactly what the first thing they bought is, but honestly, it was probably another agency. It's my guess, but, you know, regardless. Now that's kind of the start of their journey.

No. That wasn't the first thing. I don't I don't know. I don't know exactly what the first thing they bought is, but honestly, it was probably another agency. It's my guess, but, you know, regardless. Now that's kind of the start of their journey.

19:49

So I had never met Chris,

So I had never met Chris,

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Andrew, talks a little bit about him, but, you know, you never really know,

Andrew, talks a little bit about him, but, you know, you never really know,

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what people are like. Here's my observations.

what people are like. Here's my observations.

19:59

Chris had the juice. And it was very surprising to me that Chris had the juice because normally in these partnerships, there's like the outgoing

Chris had the juice. And it was very surprising to me that Chris had the juice because normally in these partnerships, there's like the outgoing

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face of the brand that everybody knows. And then there's, like, the quiet, silent, but deadly,

face of the brand that everybody knows. And then there's, like, the quiet, silent, but deadly,

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operational partner, finance partner, whoever partner that's, like, doesn't really care about the spotlight,

operational partner, finance partner, whoever partner that's, like, doesn't really care about the spotlight,

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and usually is more reserved.

and usually is more reserved.

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I would say most of that is true, but at this dinner,

I would say most of that is true, but at this dinner,

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I thought it was remarkable that he was kind of like this, like,

I thought it was remarkable that he was kind of like this, like,

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it was shy, but he still had the juice. And I've never really seen that combo before. Like,

it was shy, but he still had the juice. And I've never really seen that combo before. Like,

20:33

I think he would have rather just been at home reading a book,

I think he would have rather just been at home reading a book,

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but he had this thing which is, like, I'm at the dinner. So the flip is the the switch is flipped. And he was, like, super talkative and not with not because he's mister charisma or he's not, like, dripping with, like, you know He's, like, the smooth charm.

but he had this thing which is, like, I'm at the dinner. So the flip is the the switch is flipped. And he was, like, super talkative and not with not because he's mister charisma or he's not, like, dripping with, like, you know He's, like, the smooth charm.

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His wisdom, it feels like. He was he was just like, I would call it honest. He was just like, he would ask you a question. And if you said something, he'd be like, hold on. Hold on. So is it like this, or he'd be like, But you're saying this,

His wisdom, it feels like. He was he was just like, I would call it honest. He was just like, he would ask you a question. And if you said something, he'd be like, hold on. Hold on. So is it like this, or he'd be like, But you're saying this,

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is that because you think that, or is that because your parents taught you that? Why did you say that?

is that because you think that, or is that because your parents taught you that? Why did you say that?

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That's what reminds that's one of the ways in which you guys are similar is you ask those same questions. I do. And I so I was eating it up. I was loving it. I was like, oh, this guy's right up my alley. The other thing he did, those, like, but times ten is he was like, mister framework. Exactly. You guys are the exact same way for that reason. I called about the dinner. I was like, bro, you have just named fourteen different, like, cognitive biases in one dinner. It's crazy. Like, he'd be like, it's like the Shrestand effect, mix with the thing that, you know, the the the the the, like, you know, the sucker's bias. And it's like, what are you talking about? He had just like an index

That's what reminds that's one of the ways in which you guys are similar is you ask those same questions. I do. And I so I was eating it up. I was loving it. I was like, oh, this guy's right up my alley. The other thing he did, those, like, but times ten is he was like, mister framework. Exactly. You guys are the exact same way for that reason. I called about the dinner. I was like, bro, you have just named fourteen different, like, cognitive biases in one dinner. It's crazy. Like, he'd be like, it's like the Shrestand effect, mix with the thing that, you know, the the the the the, like, you know, the sucker's bias. And it's like, what are you talking about? He had just like an index

21:44

He had an index of mental models. I was like, this I was like, did you download Twitter threads and you just memorize them? Like, how do you know all this and why are they so top of mind for you? And that's really how he thinks. He he he truly seems to think that way, which I thought was really interesting. Well, you know why so Andrew told me this. I don't know, like, the what Chris's story is, but Andrew said they basically were like building their own companies and like reinvesting the profits into building their own things And then they read the biography of Warren Buffett. I think it's called Snowball or something. And then they read like a Charlie monger book and they go, oh, yeah. Let's do this instead. So they start buying companies that work, and they have the, you know, like, I think tiny's website says we buy wonderful companies. That's basically, I think, exactly what Buffet said.

He had an index of mental models. I was like, this I was like, did you download Twitter threads and you just memorize them? Like, how do you know all this and why are they so top of mind for you? And that's really how he thinks. He he he truly seems to think that way, which I thought was really interesting. Well, you know why so Andrew told me this. I don't know, like, the what Chris's story is, but Andrew said they basically were like building their own companies and like reinvesting the profits into building their own things And then they read the biography of Warren Buffett. I think it's called Snowball or something. And then they read like a Charlie monger book and they go, oh, yeah. Let's do this instead. So they start buying companies that work, and they have the, you know, like, I think tiny's website says we buy wonderful companies. That's basically, I think, exactly what Buffet said.

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At one point. Tiny is just we buy wonderful internet companies and then the but Berkshire just doesn't have internet in Right. And so they basically

At one point. Tiny is just we buy wonderful internet companies and then the but Berkshire just doesn't have internet in Right. And so they basically

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stole,

stole,

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you know, a lot of Buffett's really great ideas. And also, have you ever read a Charlie monger book or anything by Charlie Monger? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Dude, they're frameworks about everything. And there's, like, one's called, like, poured Charlie's almanac, I think it's called. And it's, like, eighty eight different frameworks. I started reading it, and I'm, like, dude, I need a story here. But Yeah. It was very strange book. People say they love that book and I'm convinced that anybody who says they love that book hasn't actually opened it because when you open it, it's not even like a book. It's like,

you know, a lot of Buffett's really great ideas. And also, have you ever read a Charlie monger book or anything by Charlie Monger? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Dude, they're frameworks about everything. And there's, like, one's called, like, poured Charlie's almanac, I think it's called. And it's, like, eighty eight different frameworks. I started reading it, and I'm, like, dude, I need a story here. But Yeah. It was very strange book. People say they love that book and I'm convinced that anybody who says they love that book hasn't actually opened it because when you open it, it's not even like a book. It's like,

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have you have you have you actually opened the book? Yeah. I read the whole thing, and I I found it very hard to even remember stuff. It's hard to read, dude. It's like a list of rules.

have you have you have you actually opened the book? Yeah. I read the whole thing, and I I found it very hard to even remember stuff. It's hard to read, dude. It's like a list of rules.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

23:12

Yeah. It's like the table of contents except it's long.

Yeah. It's like the table of contents except it's long.

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It's it's a very challenging book to read. But what I what I remember from the book and then hanging out with Chris is like, oh, you read a lot of manga because you guys are sort of similar in that framework. And Another thing Buffet does is, like, he'll say things. I forget exactly what he phrases, but he's, like, you know, why kill a mice why kill a mouse when we can go and shoot an elephant? Like, he'll say things like this or he'll, like, create some analogy. We'll pick up pennies in front of a steamroller or, you know, do these things. He told it to me. We were talking about something. He goes, so is that like dynamically sword

It's it's a very challenging book to read. But what I what I remember from the book and then hanging out with Chris is like, oh, you read a lot of manga because you guys are sort of similar in that framework. And Another thing Buffet does is, like, he'll say things. I forget exactly what he phrases, but he's, like, you know, why kill a mice why kill a mouse when we can go and shoot an elephant? Like, he'll say things like this or he'll, like, create some analogy. We'll pick up pennies in front of a steamroller or, you know, do these things. He told it to me. We were talking about something. He goes, so is that like dynamically sword

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that slays the beast? And I was like, I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I was like,

that slays the beast? And I was like, I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I was like,

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I don't know what that is. What are you saying in English? And he's like, no, like, you know, the story of Dya, whoever there's some Greek guy. And I was like, No. I don't know any of these things. What are you talking about?

I don't know what that is. What are you saying in English? And he's like, no, like, you know, the story of Dya, whoever there's some Greek guy. And I was like, No. I don't know any of these things. What are you talking about?

24:03

Yeah. It's like, dude, I need an analogy for your analogy, but

Yeah. It's like, dude, I need an analogy for your analogy, but

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I've noticed that Chris the limited time that I've been around him, he does the same thing where I can tell who he's read, and he's really good at what he does. And I think he's also naturally like that. He just like instant frameworks and analogies and things like that. Can take complicated things and make them quite simple. Totally. And he, I think he's really, really, like, super curious, which I really respected about him. Like, I I felt like when he was asking questions, He wasn't doing it to make conversation. He was doing it because he actually really wanted to know the answer. He was genuinely interested, and I think that comes comes off. And I think that is a huge

I've noticed that Chris the limited time that I've been around him, he does the same thing where I can tell who he's read, and he's really good at what he does. And I think he's also naturally like that. He just like instant frameworks and analogies and things like that. Can take complicated things and make them quite simple. Totally. And he, I think he's really, really, like, super curious, which I really respected about him. Like, I I felt like when he was asking questions, He wasn't doing it to make conversation. He was doing it because he actually really wanted to know the answer. He was genuinely interested, and I think that comes comes off. And I think that is a huge

24:37

like, saving grace for I think people overthink how to be in social situations and, like, you know, the the easiest hack is just simply genuinely be interested in the other person. Everything else will work itself out. That's how I felt about Chris, and I really like that. We had a a interesting different conversation. I'll share one,

like, saving grace for I think people overthink how to be in social situations and, like, you know, the the easiest hack is just simply genuinely be interested in the other person. Everything else will work itself out. That's how I felt about Chris, and I really like that. We had a a interesting different conversation. I'll share one,

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one little tidbit that that can take a dinner conversation from surface level to a lot more interesting.

one little tidbit that that can take a dinner conversation from surface level to a lot more interesting.

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And,

And,

25:02

forgot who was talking. It was the CEO of something.

forgot who was talking. It was the CEO of something.

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And,

And,

25:06

she said something, and I go,

she said something, and I go,

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I go, let me ask you a question. A little bit little bit of a weird question. Can I ask you? And she's like, yeah. And I go,

I go, let me ask you a question. A little bit little bit of a weird question. Can I ask you? And she's like, yeah. And I go,

25:15

growing up,

growing up,

25:16

said what you said was really interesting just now and it made me wonder why you why you wanted that so bad. Growing up, whose love did you want more? Your mom or your dad's? Oh my god.

said what you said was really interesting just now and it made me wonder why you why you wanted that so bad. Growing up, whose love did you want more? Your mom or your dad's? Oh my god.

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And, you know, she immediately, like, it's like, you know, take it taken it back by the question, and then kinda answers. And then

And, you know, she immediately, like, it's like, you know, take it taken it back by the question, and then kinda answers. And then

25:34

and people open up about their, like,

and people open up about their, like,

25:37

they they open up about their relationship with their parents and

they they open up about their relationship with their parents and

25:40

also, like, it's kinda like where that chip on your shoulder come from is really what this question is asking.

also, like, it's kinda like where that chip on your shoulder come from is really what this question is asking.

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And I stole this from Tony Rob. Tony Rob has asked this question, and I saw that, like, in most of he he does these, like,

And I stole this from Tony Rob. Tony Rob has asked this question, and I saw that, like, in most of he he does these, like,

25:52

live kind of coaching sessions or whatever with people during his events.

live kind of coaching sessions or whatever with people during his events.

25:55

And he had asked this question and then immediately found, like, the actual answer to the to the problem, And since then, I've, like, kept this question in my back pocket and I ask it from time to time, it's a very revealing question.

And he had asked this question and then immediately found, like, the actual answer to the to the problem, And since then, I've, like, kept this question in my back pocket and I ask it from time to time, it's a very revealing question.

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Hard to say without sounding, like, just like a pretentious

Hard to say without sounding, like, just like a pretentious

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prick. Yeah. Did you have, like, your, like, glasses, like, in your mouth? Like Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You got it. The tip of the the tip of the the glass needs to go into the mouth, and you have to be wearing a But if you do happen to have a turtleneck on,

prick. Yeah. Did you have, like, your, like, glasses, like, in your mouth? Like Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You got it. The tip of the the tip of the the glass needs to go into the mouth, and you have to be wearing a But if you do happen to have a turtleneck on,

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it is such a good turtleneck question.

it is such a good turtleneck question.

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That's ridiculous. And it worked. Oh, it worked. And then the whole the whole table kinda shared their answers to it. And it went from like, alright. We can either sit here and we'll go one inch deep or, like, we ended up fifty feet deep. And I felt like everybody actually felt like they knew each other. And, and it was like after the fact, it was like, so what do you do again? And it's like, you know, you're trying to it kind of reversed the order of how most of these, like, kinda networking dinners

That's ridiculous. And it worked. Oh, it worked. And then the whole the whole table kinda shared their answers to it. And it went from like, alright. We can either sit here and we'll go one inch deep or, like, we ended up fifty feet deep. And I felt like everybody actually felt like they knew each other. And, and it was like after the fact, it was like, so what do you do again? And it's like, you know, you're trying to it kind of reversed the order of how most of these, like, kinda networking dinners

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go. And I've been to a lot of these. And so, like, I appreciate something that can break out of that, the surface level, you know, surface level stuff fluff. That's not really that interesting. Dude, I was at this one dinner recently, and this guy who was a younger guy and he was, like, a fan of our stuff. So he was and he, like, clearly, like, was learning how to interact with people. Like, he was, like, an internet guy. He, like, read how to win friends and influence people. And the first thing that he said to me and my wife was like, he was trying to do what you did. And he asked us, like, when did you guys first have sex and what was it like?

go. And I've been to a lot of these. And so, like, I appreciate something that can break out of that, the surface level, you know, surface level stuff fluff. That's not really that interesting. Dude, I was at this one dinner recently, and this guy who was a younger guy and he was, like, a fan of our stuff. So he was and he, like, clearly, like, was learning how to interact with people. Like, he was, like, an internet guy. He, like, read how to win friends and influence people. And the first thing that he said to me and my wife was like, he was trying to do what you did. And he asked us, like, when did you guys first have sex and what was it like?

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No. And

No. And

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I swear to god. And I, like,

I swear to god. And I, like,

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I I was so frustrated. And I was like, I'll answer your question, but you gotta answer minds first. How much money is in your checking account? How long is your dick And what was it like when you saw your parents having sex for the first time?

I I was so frustrated. And I was like, I'll answer your question, but you gotta answer minds first. How much money is in your checking account? How long is your dick And what was it like when you saw your parents having sex for the first time?

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And he was like, what? I go, yeah, that's weird. Right? I don't wanna talk about that. Don't be weird. And he clearly had, like, read, like, a book on how to do this, and then he, like, saw something you said, and I thought that would have been a good idea. And it was it was a total mess. Well, there's something that you gotta do. Right? You can't just ask out of the blue. Oh, he did. The only reason this question worked on ours was because when somebody's explaining the chip, like, they have this chip on the shoulder, you're basically it's a natural question to ask. Where did it come from? And then they give you some bullshit answer. You say, alright. Let me ask you a different question. And you're you're digging in that way. You can't just go up to somebody and be like, hello, I'm Sean. Nice to meet you. Hey. I was curious. What's your deepest darkest secret? Right? Like, this doesn't really work like that.

And he was like, what? I go, yeah, that's weird. Right? I don't wanna talk about that. Don't be weird. And he clearly had, like, read, like, a book on how to do this, and then he, like, saw something you said, and I thought that would have been a good idea. And it was it was a total mess. Well, there's something that you gotta do. Right? You can't just ask out of the blue. Oh, he did. The only reason this question worked on ours was because when somebody's explaining the chip, like, they have this chip on the shoulder, you're basically it's a natural question to ask. Where did it come from? And then they give you some bullshit answer. You say, alright. Let me ask you a different question. And you're you're digging in that way. You can't just go up to somebody and be like, hello, I'm Sean. Nice to meet you. Hey. I was curious. What's your deepest darkest secret? Right? Like, this doesn't really work like that.

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Yeah. It was weird, man. It was weird. It was one of these guys. I'm,

Yeah. It was weird, man. It was weird. It was one of these guys. I'm,

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it was horrible.

it was horrible.

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But you pulled it off.

But you pulled it off.

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This data is wrong every freaking time.

This data is wrong every freaking time.

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Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully into

Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully into

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Well, I can see the client's whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here's a test from three days ago I totally missed.

Well, I can see the client's whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here's a test from three days ago I totally missed.

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HubSpot, grow better.

HubSpot, grow better.

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Alright. What else you got?

Alright. What else you got?

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Okay. Oh, I'll give you one other, Chris little gem that that came out of the the talk.

Okay. Oh, I'll give you one other, Chris little gem that that came out of the the talk.

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Somebody was telling a story about somebody else. And

Somebody was telling a story about somebody else. And

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and it was kind of a story that was like, what did they call, like, a romp? Which basically, like That's a rock. It's like like a, like, it's like a it's like a tale about, like, your, you know, you could tell a tale of, like, your drunken days and this, the the the crazy thing that we almost got arrested, then we ended up fine. Well, it's like, it's a story that doesn't have a lot of, like, it's not like a meaningful story. It's an entertaining story.

and it was kind of a story that was like, what did they call, like, a romp? Which basically, like That's a rock. It's like like a, like, it's like a it's like a tale about, like, your, you know, you could tell a tale of, like, your drunken days and this, the the the crazy thing that we almost got arrested, then we ended up fine. Well, it's like, it's a story that doesn't have a lot of, like, it's not like a meaningful story. It's an entertaining story.

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And,

And,

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And so, person telling this story about, like, this business realm. So if somebody was, like, gonna get rich, and then they, like, it went almost unbroken, and now they're okay, and, like, you know, whatever happened.

And so, person telling this story about, like, this business realm. So if somebody was, like, gonna get rich, and then they, like, it went almost unbroken, and now they're okay, and, like, you know, whatever happened.

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And he goes and and the the takeaway was, you know, that, you know, that person,

And he goes and and the the takeaway was, you know, that, you know, that person,

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they said, you know, yeah, they could've they could've sold the top and made a bunch of money they said, you know, well, if I had done that, then I wouldn't have blah blah blah blah. And he said something that has stuck with me, which he goes,

they said, you know, yeah, they could've they could've sold the top and made a bunch of money they said, you know, well, if I had done that, then I wouldn't have blah blah blah blah. And he said something that has stuck with me, which he goes,

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Do you think that's the right lesson to learn out of that?

Do you think that's the right lesson to learn out of that?

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And he goes he goes, I wonder that sometimes. He goes, people always talk about, like, how the lessons at the moment. Chris.

And he goes he goes, I wonder that sometimes. He goes, people always talk about, like, how the lessons at the moment. Chris.

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And he goes,

And he goes,

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he goes, a question I've often asked is, like,

he goes, a question I've often asked is, like,

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Is it is this person somebody who's learning the right lesson out of things? And I and I thought it was so funny.

Is it is this person somebody who's learning the right lesson out of things? And I and I thought it was so funny.

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It was like a blunt thing to say. So I loved it already. The second thing was it's so true.

It was like a blunt thing to say. So I loved it already. The second thing was it's so true.

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I look around the people around me in life that I encounter.

I look around the people around me in life that I encounter.

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And very rarely,

And very rarely,

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like, if if, like, a lot of people have go through experiences and think they learn a lesson. But if I was to measure, like,

like, if if, like, a lot of people have go through experiences and think they learn a lesson. But if I was to measure, like,

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the hit rate of are they actually having the correct takeaway out of a situation?

the hit rate of are they actually having the correct takeaway out of a situation?

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It's shockingly low. And I think that that is One of the greatest indicators of success is are you actually able to learn the correct lesson from your life experiences?

It's shockingly low. And I think that that is One of the greatest indicators of success is are you actually able to learn the correct lesson from your life experiences?

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Nobody's a hundred percent on that because we all have weird things where we'll blame other people or we'll glorify ourselves and not realize that we just got lucky. Well, we'll do weird things like that. But,

Nobody's a hundred percent on that because we all have weird things where we'll blame other people or we'll glorify ourselves and not realize that we just got lucky. Well, we'll do weird things like that. But,

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I realized, oh, I wanna only be around and work with people and hire people who

I realized, oh, I wanna only be around and work with people and hire people who

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are high on this score. I don't really care how much experience you have, but if you don't take away the right lesson from the experiences you're going that you have,

are high on this score. I don't really care how much experience you have, but if you don't take away the right lesson from the experiences you're going that you have,

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and that you're going to have, your rate of learning is just gonna, like,

and that you're going to have, your rate of learning is just gonna, like,

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it'll be a different rate, or you'll just end up in some weird trajectory where you'll just do dumb shit cause you're taking away the wrong lessons from your life experiences. And I I just never heard somebody say that out loud, and it really stood out to me. And it's like, and now I see it everywhere. That's a that's a really good question. I wonder if that is something that he came up with or like was inspired by. I mean, that's a hard thing. That's a really unique a really unique question. He said it kind of as an offhand comment. This one wasn't one of his, like, frameworks or, like, go tos I could tell. It was just, like, he literally just asked the question because he was because it was he hurt. Like, it was kinda like,

it'll be a different rate, or you'll just end up in some weird trajectory where you'll just do dumb shit cause you're taking away the wrong lessons from your life experiences. And I I just never heard somebody say that out loud, and it really stood out to me. And it's like, and now I see it everywhere. That's a that's a really good question. I wonder if that is something that he came up with or like was inspired by. I mean, that's a hard thing. That's a really unique a really unique question. He said it kind of as an offhand comment. This one wasn't one of his, like, frameworks or, like, go tos I could tell. It was just, like, he literally just asked the question because he was because it was he hurt. Like, it was kinda like,

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you know, when somebody starts a sentence and you kind of your brain is trying to fill in the blank of the last thing they're gonna say. And then they say something totally different. You're like, that is not where I thought you were going with that. That's what happened in the story. It's like, ninety percent of it kinda made sense. And then the last ten percent at the conclusion was, like, some other weird conclusion, and he was like, what?

you know, when somebody starts a sentence and you kind of your brain is trying to fill in the blank of the last thing they're gonna say. And then they say something totally different. You're like, that is not where I thought you were going with that. That's what happened in the story. It's like, ninety percent of it kinda made sense. And then the last ten percent at the conclusion was, like, some other weird conclusion, and he was like, what?

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Is that the wait. That was the conclusion? The I feel like the collusion should have been x, but you're saying their takeaway was y.

Is that the wait. That was the conclusion? The I feel like the collusion should have been x, but you're saying their takeaway was y.

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What and and and so I don't even think he really meant it that way, or he really put that much weight into it.

What and and and so I don't even think he really meant it that way, or he really put that much weight into it.

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But that was my my golden nugget of that dinner was that one question.

But that was my my golden nugget of that dinner was that one question.

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And, and I can't I literally can't stop seeing it everywhere now. Like, my kid does something. My wife does something. I do something. And I I started to think back. I was like, in what areas did I take away the wrong lesson? Like, I don't know. If you think back in your life, could you think of an example where if you if you're honest with yourself, it's like, Yeah. Actually, I kinda learned the wrong. I kinda

And, and I can't I literally can't stop seeing it everywhere now. Like, my kid does something. My wife does something. I do something. And I I started to think back. I was like, in what areas did I take away the wrong lesson? Like, I don't know. If you think back in your life, could you think of an example where if you if you're honest with yourself, it's like, Yeah. Actually, I kinda learned the wrong. I kinda

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did I even learn the right lesson from that? Was that the right answer?

did I even learn the right lesson from that? Was that the right answer?

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There's a few things. Like, you know how that phrase, like, fail fast.

There's a few things. Like, you know how that phrase, like, fail fast.

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Like, I used to believe that that was cool. And then I'm like,

Like, I used to believe that that was cool. And then I'm like,

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I'd rather succeed

I'd rather succeed

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fast. Like,

fast. Like,

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Yeah. I'd like, I'd rather not fail and I how can I succeed faster than I fail? And I remember thinking it like for years, was thinking, well, it's okay. I tried something. And I'm like, but, like, if I'm a baseball player and I take lots of swings, but I don't get any hits, like, that's bad. That's not good. That's very bad. So the lesson here is I should swing and also have a high batting average. And I remember thinking like, oh, just shots on goal. That's all that's all that matters. But I'm like, No. I need a score too. And so for years, like, I thought it was okay to fail because I'm like, oh, I'm I'm feeling fast. I'm moving fast. I'm breaking things. Whatever. And I'm like,

Yeah. I'd like, I'd rather not fail and I how can I succeed faster than I fail? And I remember thinking it like for years, was thinking, well, it's okay. I tried something. And I'm like, but, like, if I'm a baseball player and I take lots of swings, but I don't get any hits, like, that's bad. That's not good. That's very bad. So the lesson here is I should swing and also have a high batting average. And I remember thinking like, oh, just shots on goal. That's all that's all that matters. But I'm like, No. I need a score too. And so for years, like, I thought it was okay to fail because I'm like, oh, I'm I'm feeling fast. I'm moving fast. I'm breaking things. Whatever. And I'm like,

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maybe I shouldn't break things and I should actually, like, succeed

maybe I shouldn't break things and I should actually, like, succeed

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fast. And I remember, like, that, like, it changed, like, five years ago.

fast. And I remember, like, that, like, it changed, like, five years ago.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

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Totally.

Totally.

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Alright.

Alright.

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Yeah. I could think of a bunch of examples of my life where I've I've I think messed that up. But now Did did you learn that's not the case? Did you learn the lot the right lesson when you got roasted by some people for seeing your private chef. Dude, you posted this picture of this nice looking food and people are like, dude, your blood glucose is gonna spike and you're gonna be so unproductive because you're eating rice.

Yeah. I could think of a bunch of examples of my life where I've I've I think messed that up. But now Did did you learn that's not the case? Did you learn the lot the right lesson when you got roasted by some people for seeing your private chef. Dude, you posted this picture of this nice looking food and people are like, dude, your blood glucose is gonna spike and you're gonna be so unproductive because you're eating rice.

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I thought that was pretty funny. All the all some of the hate you got.

I thought that was pretty funny. All the all some of the hate you got.

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Yeah. Like Also, that wasn't rice.

Yeah. Like Also, that wasn't rice.

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Whatever it was, people were like, giving you a hard time. I thought it was pretty funny. You only clap back a few of them. There's three four reactions. Reaction one. So what did I do? I posted a tweet that was just like,

Whatever it was, people were like, giving you a hard time. I thought it was pretty funny. You only clap back a few of them. There's three four reactions. Reaction one. So what did I do? I posted a tweet that was just like,

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a delicious meal. I was so happy I was having this meal. I said, best life decision was hiring hiring a family chef.

a delicious meal. I was so happy I was having this meal. I said, best life decision was hiring hiring a family chef.

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And,

And,

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There was four reactions. There was the,

There was four reactions. There was the,

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predictable

predictable

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positive,

positive,

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which was, oh, yum, looks good. There was predict predictable negative, which was,

which was, oh, yum, looks good. There was predict predictable negative, which was,

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hey douche bag. People are struggling in the world. You're posting this, like, you nice flex, you know, asshole.

hey douche bag. People are struggling in the world. You're posting this, like, you nice flex, you know, asshole.

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So there's predictable negative.

So there's predictable negative.

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There was the predictable,

There was the predictable,

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next question, which was how much does this actually cost? You know, like, what goes into this? Which a fine question. That was no problem. And then,

next question, which was how much does this actually cost? You know, like, what goes into this? Which a fine question. That was no problem. And then,

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and then there was just, like, you know, whatever. The the sort of, like, the the the random or, like, the the interesting the I think the person who had the right answer from it, which was you either should just move on if it's not interesting to you or if it is interesting to you, you should be like,

and then there was just, like, you know, whatever. The the sort of, like, the the the random or, like, the the interesting the I think the person who had the right answer from it, which was you either should just move on if it's not interesting to you or if it is interesting to you, you should be like,

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yeah. That's I want in my life. Let me put bring that back to the front of my brain,

yeah. That's I want in my life. Let me put bring that back to the front of my brain,

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as something that, like, you know, I I kinda want. And,

as something that, like, you know, I I kinda want. And,

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I thought that I thought it was very funny. I didn't even know I wanted that until

I thought that I thought it was very funny. I didn't even know I wanted that until

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I met somebody who had a private chef And I was like, wow, this is incredible. So you're telling me, like, instead of them having to cook three meals a day and they're they're, you know, also they have a wife and kids, like, you know, instead of their whole family, they have to cook three meals a day, do grocery shopping, do the dishes,

I met somebody who had a private chef And I was like, wow, this is incredible. So you're telling me, like, instead of them having to cook three meals a day and they're they're, you know, also they have a wife and kids, like, you know, instead of their whole family, they have to cook three meals a day, do grocery shopping, do the dishes,

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to end up with a meal that doesn't taste as good, isn't as healthy,

to end up with a meal that doesn't taste as good, isn't as healthy,

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and takes up, you know, probably on average three to five hours, you know, per day if you average it all out including the the groceries and the cleaning and the cooking and the all of it.

and takes up, you know, probably on average three to five hours, you know, per day if you average it all out including the the groceries and the cleaning and the cooking and the all of it.

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And, you know, but by the way, three hours a day at out of your, like, you know, people have only have, like, sixteen waking hours. Right? Like, this is

And, you know, but by the way, three hours a day at out of your, like, you know, people have only have, like, sixteen waking hours. Right? Like, this is

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it's a really significant chunk of time per day. I was like, when I saw it, and I was like, oh, that's a goal that I didn't even know I should have, but I want that. And I want that way more than I want

it's a really significant chunk of time per day. I was like, when I saw it, and I was like, oh, that's a goal that I didn't even know I should have, but I want that. And I want that way more than I want

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you know, a ski home in Tahoe or, like, a fancy car or those types of things. And then I for I didn't do anything about it for a while because I'd assumed. Oh, you gotta be like a billionaire to have that. No. You can get them for as cheap as maybe a a thousand a month, maybe. And then I was like, oh, let me do the math. Like, how much do you actually need to do this? And then I did the math. I was like, oh, I think I could do this now. And then I just did it and my life got way better. And so I posted it because, a, just whatever. It's Twitter. I didn't really think too much about it. But, like,

you know, a ski home in Tahoe or, like, a fancy car or those types of things. And then I for I didn't do anything about it for a while because I'd assumed. Oh, you gotta be like a billionaire to have that. No. You can get them for as cheap as maybe a a thousand a month, maybe. And then I was like, oh, let me do the math. Like, how much do you actually need to do this? And then I did the math. I was like, oh, I think I could do this now. And then I just did it and my life got way better. And so I posted it because, a, just whatever. It's Twitter. I didn't really think too much about it. But, like,

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You know, there is a benefit in seeing somebody's,

You know, there is a benefit in seeing somebody's,

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like, somebody do a decision in life or have something in life that is attractive to you and brings it, you know, to your attention and makes you think about, do I want this? Do I not? Can I have this? Can I not? I think there's some value in that too. So anyways, that's that's my story on the tweet. I thought it was pretty funny.

like, somebody do a decision in life or have something in life that is attractive to you and brings it, you know, to your attention and makes you think about, do I want this? Do I not? Can I have this? Can I not? I think there's some value in that too. So anyways, that's that's my story on the tweet. I thought it was pretty funny.

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I thought it was hilarious. I am I was frustrated you didn't, like, holler at some of these people. I almost started replying

I thought it was hilarious. I am I was frustrated you didn't, like, holler at some of these people. I almost started replying

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to them for you. Yeah. I haven't decided if I'm a heel or a face yet. So to use wrestling terms, like,

to them for you. Yeah. I haven't decided if I'm a heel or a face yet. So to use wrestling terms, like,

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I'm tempted to just be a heel. You know, like It's way easier. In the same world, I would say, like, what's his name? The the dude who loves berries. It was Keith. Keith for boy.

I'm tempted to just be a heel. You know, like It's way easier. In the same world, I would say, like, what's his name? The the dude who loves berries. It was Keith. Keith for boy.

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Yeah. I called him out. I I don't like that guy. Well, you don't like him because he's a heel.

Yeah. I called him out. I I don't like that guy. Well, you don't like him because he's a heel.

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Which is funny.

Which is funny.

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You know, he basically,

You know, he basically,

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doesn't mind pissing people off, telling people, telling people off whatever it is, and, like, that's his brand. And he had some people man, I love it. Scott just tells it like it is or he's funny or, you know, he must be, you know, he he basically has his aura of. I'm better than you. Like, like, many great wrestling villains.

doesn't mind pissing people off, telling people, telling people off whatever it is, and, like, that's his brand. And he had some people man, I love it. Scott just tells it like it is or he's funny or, you know, he must be, you know, he he basically has his aura of. I'm better than you. Like, like, many great wrestling villains.

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And,

And,

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and he'll tell you how much you suck.

and he'll tell you how much you suck.

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And so people some people hate that, a lot of the majority of people hate that, and a minority of people that love that and find him, like, interesting. And either way, you can't ignore him. He he's like a you have to take a position because it's so

And so people some people hate that, a lot of the majority of people hate that, and a minority of people that love that and find him, like, interesting. And either way, you can't ignore him. He he's like a you have to take a position because it's so

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polarizing. It's not just like, you know, vanilla.

polarizing. It's not just like, you know, vanilla.

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And I would say you actually do a lot of what he does where,

And I would say you actually do a lot of what he does where,

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I don't think you think you're doing it.

I don't think you think you're doing it.

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Because you're like, I didn't say anything bad. It's like, bro, you put a period at the end of that line. That just you know when you put a period there. You're saying, like, That's a middle finger. You know, that that's not a period.

Because you're like, I didn't say anything bad. It's like, bro, you put a period at the end of that line. That just you know when you put a period there. You're saying, like, That's a middle finger. You know, that that's not a period.

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Do you know you're doing it when you're doing it? Or

Do you know you're doing it when you're doing it? Or

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Not all the time. Maybe some of the time, but I think

Not all the time. Maybe some of the time, but I think

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I don't like,

I don't like,

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like, I'm kind of a stickler with language. Like, I like using certain words. So if someone, like,

like, I'm kind of a stickler with language. Like, I like using certain words. So if someone, like,

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says something and they end it in a question mark. My reply will be like, I don't know if you're asking a question or if you're getting me to agree with you like that.

says something and they end it in a question mark. My reply will be like, I don't know if you're asking a question or if you're getting me to agree with you like that.

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Or

Or

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do you know what I mean? Like, I just, like, I just, like, or when people, like, sensationalize things, like, will they say, like, this happens all of the time. Like, for example, someone replied to you and they go, I've been seeing a lot of this lately. My exam what I wanna reply with is like, Oh, okay. Well, what are some other examples?

do you know what I mean? Like, I just, like, I just, like, or when people, like, sensationalize things, like, will they say, like, this happens all of the time. Like, for example, someone replied to you and they go, I've been seeing a lot of this lately. My exam what I wanna reply with is like, Oh, okay. Well, what are some other examples?

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Right. Do you like, I I it's like I just don't like when you say I think I did. I was like, like, what?

Right. Do you like, I I it's like I just don't like when you say I think I did. I was like, like, what?

39:07

Just curious. So, like, like, what? What are you talking about? I'm a I'm a sickler with language. I don't like when people say this always happens or this never happens or these people are everywhere. Like, things like that. I don't like that phrase or this is so common,

Just curious. So, like, like, what? What are you talking about? I'm a I'm a sickler with language. I don't like when people say this always happens or this never happens or these people are everywhere. Like, things like that. I don't like that phrase or this is so common,

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that it's becoming an issue. I'm like, well, I actually don't think that it's any more common than it has ever been.

that it's becoming an issue. I'm like, well, I actually don't think that it's any more common than it has ever been.

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Anyway. So I'm an asshole about that. You wanna do one more topic?

Anyway. So I'm an asshole about that. You wanna do one more topic?

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Yeah.

Yeah.

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Let's do,

Let's do,

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do you have one? No. I blew my load early. Oh, wow.

do you have one? No. I blew my load early. Oh, wow.

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Just falling on pretty.

Just falling on pretty.

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Add

Add

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the

the

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internet thing.

internet thing.

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Why do you think it is that I generate so many more ideas to do? Let's go. Let's get did your mommy not love you? Your daddy and I love you. If we look at the three years that we've done this, I think it ebbs and flows. I think that each person goes on a -- No. -- chance, dude. Dude, each person goes on a three month, like,

Why do you think it is that I generate so many more ideas to do? Let's go. Let's get did your mommy not love you? Your daddy and I love you. If we look at the three years that we've done this, I think it ebbs and flows. I think that each person goes on a -- No. -- chance, dude. Dude, each person goes on a three month, like,

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run.

run.

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Dude, one hundred percent. I think you talk more, but I don't think that

Dude, one hundred percent. I think you talk more, but I don't think that

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I don't think that you necessarily bring more topics.

I don't think that you necessarily bring more topics.

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Right. Right. I think that but I want you to believe that.

Right. Right. I think that but I want you to believe that.

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Go ahead. The thing for your permission. When I was selling the hustle,

Go ahead. The thing for your permission. When I was selling the hustle,

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you

you

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carried me. When you were selling milk road, my shoulders got tired. That's all I'm gonna say.

carried me. When you were selling milk road, my shoulders got tired. That's all I'm gonna say.

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These delts weren't gonna come from nothing. These are broken. Yeah.

These delts weren't gonna come from nothing. These are broken. Yeah.

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That's all I'm gonna say. So I think it ebbs and flows. There was a there's a guy who basically took every idea from the cast and put it in a database. That's how I know I win because he took every idea from the podcast and took put it in a database, and he said it was seventy five percent b, twenty five percent u. But that's specifically on ideas, not topics. But that's maybe ideas. Yeah. Yes.

That's all I'm gonna say. So I think it ebbs and flows. There was a there's a guy who basically took every idea from the cast and put it in a database. That's how I know I win because he took every idea from the podcast and took put it in a database, and he said it was seventy five percent b, twenty five percent u. But that's specifically on ideas, not topics. But that's maybe ideas. Yeah. Yes.

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Like,

Like,

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this Bernie guy, that's not an idea. But come on. That's That that's that's definitely you're definitely the king of the building of the week. I think, you

this Bernie guy, that's not an idea. But come on. That's That that's that's definitely you're definitely the king of the building of the week. I think, you

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somehow know a bunch of these old ass motherfuckers in different spaces and,

somehow know a bunch of these old ass motherfuckers in different spaces and,

40:57

And you you you find these guys. I don't know how you find these guys or how you think of Just wicked for idiot, bro. Yeah. But, like, why don't you even get on your radar? You'll be like, this guy used to own this coal mine.

And you you you find these guys. I don't know how you find these guys or how you think of Just wicked for idiot, bro. Yeah. But, like, why don't you even get on your radar? You'll be like, this guy used to own this coal mine.

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And then he bought the shoe factory,

And then he bought the shoe factory,

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and then he owns, like, you know, you ever read the St. Louis Post, and I'm like, nah. You're like, he owns

and then he owns, like, you know, you ever read the St. Louis Post, and I'm like, nah. You're like, he owns

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It's something I I don't know how you found this guy, but, you know, more power to you. I just fucking

It's something I I don't know how you found this guy, but, you know, more power to you. I just fucking

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books. Can I give you? Okay. Let me give you a couple, let me do an idea. I'm gonna go wrap I'm gonna I'm gonna just empty the chamber here on some some things that have been on my list.

books. Can I give you? Okay. Let me give you a couple, let me do an idea. I'm gonna go wrap I'm gonna I'm gonna just empty the chamber here on some some things that have been on my list.

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I have a D to C idea that I'd like do. Pass.

I have a D to C idea that I'd like do. Pass.

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But I'd like to do, it means I'm not gonna do it, but I want

But I'd like to do, it means I'm not gonna do it, but I want

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to invest and advise somebody who does it. Who's really good? Wait. Do you still ever wanna launch an ecom store?

to invest and advise somebody who does it. Who's really good? Wait. Do you still ever wanna launch an ecom store?

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I don't know. I'm torn. I don't wanna operate it myself, but I do wanna, like, incubate them. Yeah, I do wanna, like, incubate them in higher CEO that that would run them in theory. But, that might also be difficult.

I don't know. I'm torn. I don't wanna operate it myself, but I do wanna, like, incubate them. Yeah, I do wanna, like, incubate them in higher CEO that that would run them in theory. But, that might also be difficult.

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So I have a a gut health one. So gut health is, this is nothing new. Let me just start this by saying, oh, bro, this that exists. Yeah. I know it exists.

So I have a a gut health one. So gut health is, this is nothing new. Let me just start this by saying, oh, bro, this that exists. Yeah. I know it exists.

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Almost every DTC idea you've had exists.

Almost every DTC idea you've had exists.

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Gut health is a,

Gut health is a,

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a trend that is going up, up, and up, and it fits a

a trend that is going up, up, and up, and it fits a

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sales model that really works with D to C. What do I mean by that? You mean you could just buy it over and over again. You never know if it actually works? So what works in DTC?

sales model that really works with D to C. What do I mean by that? You mean you could just buy it over and over again. You never know if it actually works? So what works in DTC?

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A DDC product, a great DTC product one that is gonna be high margin. So maybe,

A DDC product, a great DTC product one that is gonna be high margin. So maybe,

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can you get to seventy five, eighty percent gross margins? Well, with supplements, you can get to eighty, eighty five percent gross margin. So that's fantastic on the product stuff. The next thing that works in DDC is that it's a repeat purchase or it's a consumable. So something that somebody's gonna buy many times, they'll shop from you again and again. Because either they ran out, they ate it, they drank it, or the, you know, the deodorant stick ran out, whatever it is. Unlike a mattress.

can you get to seventy five, eighty percent gross margins? Well, with supplements, you can get to eighty, eighty five percent gross margin. So that's fantastic on the product stuff. The next thing that works in DDC is that it's a repeat purchase or it's a consumable. So something that somebody's gonna buy many times, they'll shop from you again and again. Because either they ran out, they ate it, they drank it, or the, you know, the deodorant stick ran out, whatever it is. Unlike a mattress.

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Unlike a mattress.

Unlike a mattress.

42:54

So so you want something that people grow out of or it run out of. And,

So so you want something that people grow out of or it run out of. And,

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So so high rebate purchase rate. Well, supplements have that as well. Health and Wellness has that,

So so high rebate purchase rate. Well, supplements have that as well. Health and Wellness has that,

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as well.

as well.

43:07

You want something that is a, is a problem solution fit. So, basically,

You want something that is a, is a problem solution fit. So, basically,

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you want something that is not just, like, a kinda nice to have fashion item.

you want something that is not just, like, a kinda nice to have fashion item.

43:17

What works better,

What works better,

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in what sells better is something that you can just say,

in what sells better is something that you can just say,

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do you have this problem? We have this solution. And this is why you see if you go scroll down to the bottom of a New York post

do you have this problem? We have this solution. And this is why you see if you go scroll down to the bottom of a New York post

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article, you're gonna see a toe fungus ad. Why is a toe fungus ad always there? Because guess what? People have toe fungus. It's a very easy problem to point out, and people are looking for a solution and willing to buy something that tells that promises them that it's going to go away. So,

article, you're gonna see a toe fungus ad. Why is a toe fungus ad always there? Because guess what? People have toe fungus. It's a very easy problem to point out, and people are looking for a solution and willing to buy something that tells that promises them that it's going to go away. So,

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it promises Do do you remember,

it promises Do do you remember,

43:47

the prom the best promise solution ever is, Claude Hopkins, you invented

the prom the best promise solution ever is, Claude Hopkins, you invented

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advertising for toothpaste in the nineteen twenties. And he said, rub your tongue over the

advertising for toothpaste in the nineteen twenties. And he said, rub your tongue over the

43:57

your teeth. You you feel that film,

your teeth. You you feel that film,

43:59

Now brush with our toothpaste, crest, now rub your tongue over your front teeth. Right.

Now brush with our toothpaste, crest, now rub your tongue over your front teeth. Right.

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That was the best problem. That's, like, an easy to understand, like, Oh, I see exactly what you mean -- Well -- in this this solves it. Why that one's even better is when you get to be the one diagnosing the problem,

That was the best problem. That's, like, an easy to understand, like, Oh, I see exactly what you mean -- Well -- in this this solves it. Why that one's even better is when you get to be the one diagnosing the problem,

44:15

you have way more authority, and you're basically creating a new problem category for people that they weren't fully aware of. And so this happened this is why I like gut health a lot. Five years ago, I didn't hear anybody talking about gut microbiome,

you have way more authority, and you're basically creating a new problem category for people that they weren't fully aware of. And so this happened this is why I like gut health a lot. Five years ago, I didn't hear anybody talking about gut microbiome,

44:29

leaky gut. I personally leaky gut. I'm sure there was I love that phrase. It's beautiful branding. I have a beautiful gut. I have one on board. I have a family member who's just like, oh, I'm super worried about leaky gut. And I'm like, what? And then she's like, yeah, I bought every book. I watch these YouTube videos, and dude, it scares the shit out of me. And, like, now, I drink apple cider vinegar. I do this. I do that. I'm like, mhmm.

leaky gut. I personally leaky gut. I'm sure there was I love that phrase. It's beautiful branding. I have a beautiful gut. I have one on board. I have a family member who's just like, oh, I'm super worried about leaky gut. And I'm like, what? And then she's like, yeah, I bought every book. I watch these YouTube videos, and dude, it scares the shit out of me. And, like, now, I drink apple cider vinegar. I do this. I do that. I'm like, mhmm.

44:48

Interesting. Somebody just, like, created a problem, taught you about it. You might or may not have it. No way to know. It's a beautiful part. A whole bunch of solutions, and it was branded in this way that sounded horrible. I don't wanna leaky gut. It's a it's a it's a it's a it's spooky. It's what it is. It's a spooky phrase. Just like cleansing. It's like I'm gonna do on a juice cleanse like bro. I don't think like this juice is like a pipe cleaner and it like is going through pipes. I don't know if that's how it works. So I, so I bought this domain, drink guts dot com. And I have this idea of this brand called guts, and guts is basically a drink that, that you drink for it's like pro it's like a protein powder, and you drink it for gut health. And,

Interesting. Somebody just, like, created a problem, taught you about it. You might or may not have it. No way to know. It's a beautiful part. A whole bunch of solutions, and it was branded in this way that sounded horrible. I don't wanna leaky gut. It's a it's a it's a it's a it's spooky. It's what it is. It's a spooky phrase. Just like cleansing. It's like I'm gonna do on a juice cleanse like bro. I don't think like this juice is like a pipe cleaner and it like is going through pipes. I don't know if that's how it works. So I, so I bought this domain, drink guts dot com. And I have this idea of this brand called guts, and guts is basically a drink that, that you drink for it's like pro it's like a protein powder, and you drink it for gut health. And,

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it helps with digestion. So a lot of people who are either constipated or going to the bathroom all the time, It helps with weight loss. It helps with, sugar control. It helps with those those sorts of things.

it helps with digestion. So a lot of people who are either constipated or going to the bathroom all the time, It helps with weight loss. It helps with, sugar control. It helps with those those sorts of things.

45:35

So yeah. So I think I can incubate this brand, and I just need an amazing marketing CEO. And so I'm looking that. Have you, have you heard of Olliepop?

So yeah. So I think I can incubate this brand, and I just need an amazing marketing CEO. And so I'm looking that. Have you, have you heard of Olliepop?

45:43

I've heard of Olliepop. I've drank an Olliepop before. Yeah. So Olliepop is basically it looks like a soda or a salsa. It looks exactly like this. I'm drinking spin spin thrift right now. It's just like water with a little bit of fruit in it. It looks just like that. Except it says like probiotic on the cam. Yes. Which always turns me off, by the way. I'm like, nah, I don't want that to mess up. Turns me on. Probiotic?

I've heard of Olliepop. I've drank an Olliepop before. Yeah. So Olliepop is basically it looks like a soda or a salsa. It looks exactly like this. I'm drinking spin spin thrift right now. It's just like water with a little bit of fruit in it. It looks just like that. Except it says like probiotic on the cam. Yes. Which always turns me off, by the way. I'm like, nah, I don't want that to mess up. Turns me on. Probiotic?

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Dude, do you know? Who's antibiotic?

Dude, do you know? Who's antibiotic?

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You? Dude, I'm anti biotic. I'm not probiotic. I'm neutral on the bi

You? Dude, I'm anti biotic. I'm not probiotic. I'm neutral on the bi

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at least, but I'm definitely not pro. But, you know, how do you feel about accidents?

at least, but I'm definitely not pro. But, you know, how do you feel about accidents?

46:18

You're anti?

You're anti?

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Are you pro oxidants?

Are you pro oxidants?

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I'm what's it Michael Scott say? He goes, I wouldn't say I'm superstitious, but I am a little stitches. Ollie pop. Do you know how big they

I'm what's it Michael Scott say? He goes, I wouldn't say I'm superstitious, but I am a little stitches. Ollie pop. Do you know how big they

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are? I think they're huge, dude. I see them in every grocery store. A hundred million plus. And they're doing a very small thing. Poopy or Poppy. You seen this one? No. What's the problem? Even more,

are? I think they're huge, dude. I see them in every grocery store. A hundred million plus. And they're doing a very small thing. Poopy or Poppy. You seen this one? No. What's the problem? Even more,

46:43

it's like a gut health soda or, like, a,

it's like a gut health soda or, like, a,

46:46

probiotic,

probiotic,

46:47

like, LaCroy.

like, LaCroy.

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And, I see that one popping up at Whole Foods. Dude, when I think probiotics, I think diarrhea, like, you're gonna do something to my poop. Like Yeah. So they're gonna think that's where the branding opportunities come in to to to fix that. Guts doesn't exactly help your cause here. I know, but I think it's a loud,

And, I see that one popping up at Whole Foods. Dude, when I think probiotics, I think diarrhea, like, you're gonna do something to my poop. Like Yeah. So they're gonna think that's where the branding opportunities come in to to to fix that. Guts doesn't exactly help your cause here. I know, but I think it's a loud,

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splashing name that can be almost like so bad. It's good.

splashing name that can be almost like so bad. It's good.

47:07

And,

And,

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I don't think it's very trademarkable. I think that's the the problem with it, but I kinda wanna work with a designer just to make a fake PTC, like, packaging of this. I kinda wanna crowdsource this idea through MFM. So, basically, I'm like, let's find a marketing CEO through this. I have I have a guy in mind.

I don't think it's very trademarkable. I think that's the the problem with it, but I kinda wanna work with a designer just to make a fake PTC, like, packaging of this. I kinda wanna crowdsource this idea through MFM. So, basically, I'm like, let's find a marketing CEO through this. I have I have a guy in mind.

47:24

Let's get somebody who's a design agency. Like, let's make the packaging for fun and, and see what we could do. Somebody who's like a supply chain guy. Let's go find the formulation lab. Let's just, like, crowdsource this idea. I think that would be a lot. What here's something I wanna test. So this is what you're saying reminds me. So we're in the fifty fifth minute or something like that of this pod. And you're saying, like, something where you wanna you're saying a call to action. I'm curious how many people you're gonna get

Let's get somebody who's a design agency. Like, let's make the packaging for fun and, and see what we could do. Somebody who's like a supply chain guy. Let's go find the formulation lab. Let's just, like, crowdsource this idea. I think that would be a lot. What here's something I wanna test. So this is what you're saying reminds me. So we're in the fifty fifth minute or something like that of this pod. And you're saying, like, something where you wanna you're saying a call to action. I'm curious how many people you're gonna get

47:47

last episode or two episodes ago. We were talking about my Airbnb, and I said marathon Ranch dot com. I go, yeah, I have it's Airbnb. You can see it at marathon Ranch dot com, and I just kept talking.

last episode or two episodes ago. We were talking about my Airbnb, and I said marathon Ranch dot com. I go, yeah, I have it's Airbnb. You can see it at marathon Ranch dot com, and I just kept talking.

47:56

I was curious how many people went to the site. Do you have a guess?

I was curious how many people went to the site. Do you have a guess?

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Oh, I mean, I would guess it's low. I'm gonna give you the homie guess. I don't know. Hundred visits.

Oh, I mean, I would guess it's low. I'm gonna give you the homie guess. I don't know. Hundred visits.

48:07

So we set it at minute thirty eight or something like that, like, not in the beginning. It got like three or four thousand views.

So we set it at minute thirty eight or something like that, like, not in the beginning. It got like three or four thousand views.

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And, not one not one booking, by the way, not one booking.

And, not one not one booking, by the way, not one booking.

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Not one. To be clean.

Not one. To be clean.

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Yeah. One time I shared it on Twitter and it got two million impressions, not one booking.

Yeah. One time I shared it on Twitter and it got two million impressions, not one booking.

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So not one booking, so it didn't help me at all, but I'm curious. I bet you you'll get maybe fifteen

So not one booking, so it didn't help me at all, but I'm curious. I bet you you'll get maybe fifteen

48:32

qualified people messaging you. One time, you talked about this thing. You wanted a woman. To holler at you for this woman brand that you were working on, and people started hollering at me to get to you. And, like, four of them were like Instagram women, like, models, like, wearing thaw and Bikinis and shit, like, trying to reach me to to talk to you. And my Sarah was like, oh, I saw my phone. I'm like, Dude, this

qualified people messaging you. One time, you talked about this thing. You wanted a woman. To holler at you for this woman brand that you were working on, and people started hollering at me to get to you. And, like, four of them were like Instagram women, like, models, like, wearing thaw and Bikinis and shit, like, trying to reach me to to talk to you. And my Sarah was like, oh, I saw my phone. I'm like, Dude, this

48:53

this lady, like, she's like, what are you looking at? Like, check this out. This lady just DM me. Try I talked to Sean. It was it was,

this lady, like, she's like, what are you looking at? Like, check this out. This lady just DM me. Try I talked to Sean. It was it was,

48:59

pretty funny.

pretty funny.

49:00

Yeah. I also like that you say holler at still.

Yeah. I also like that you say holler at still.

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It's like Is that still saying tight when I think something's cool? How about dank? I'm trying to bring dank back.

It's like Is that still saying tight when I think something's cool? How about dank? I'm trying to bring dank back.

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Do you remember Dank? That was the link. TRL when I get home from school.

Do you remember Dank? That was the link. TRL when I get home from school.

49:13

So,

So,

49:14

you can just email me sean at seanpury dot com. I'll put it in the

you can just email me sean at seanpury dot com. I'll put it in the

49:19

show notes of this, like, in the description of the podcast too.

show notes of this, like, in the description of the podcast too.

49:23

I heard a assistant that just

I heard a assistant that just

49:25

reads all my email and triages it into buckets that's like,

reads all my email and triages it into buckets that's like,

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action item needs a reply, read this, and in case you're interested.

action item needs a reply, read this, and in case you're interested.

49:34

And then,

And then,

49:35

she filters out a bunch of the crap. It's amazing. That per month. I went from

she filters out a bunch of the crap. It's amazing. That per month. I went from

49:39

being horrible at email. Like, I

being horrible at email. Like, I

49:43

I don't see stuff I should. I see a bunch of stuff that's trash. I forget to reply to things. I'll read it on my phone. Think to reply later. Never remember to come back and reply later. I had a horrible system. And now,

I don't see stuff I should. I see a bunch of stuff that's trash. I forget to reply to things. I'll read it on my phone. Think to reply later. Never remember to come back and reply later. I had a horrible system. And now,

49:55

shout out to my assistant, Andrea, who's,

shout out to my assistant, Andrea, who's,

49:57

helping me so much with that. It's it's, like, literally overnight game changer. Well, I got an email from her saying Sean would like to schedule time to speak with you in Vancouver.

helping me so much with that. It's it's, like, literally overnight game changer. Well, I got an email from her saying Sean would like to schedule time to speak with you in Vancouver.

50:06

And at first, I was like,

And at first, I was like,

50:08

What the fuck?

What the fuck?

50:10

Shut are you kidding me? There's some grandbabies.

Shut are you kidding me? There's some grandbabies.

50:12

Yeah.

Yeah.

50:13

I was like, really?

I was like, really?

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And then I was like,

And then I was like,

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Okay. This is awesome. And I messaged you. I go, who where'd you get this person from? Very interesting. She did a good job. So, by the way, you're to action thing just reminded me. I think we should do two things.

Okay. This is awesome. And I messaged you. I go, who where'd you get this person from? Very interesting. She did a good job. So, by the way, you're to action thing just reminded me. I think we should do two things.

50:29

Two upcoming shows. I'm gonna put it out there now. It's time for another drunk ideas episode.

Two upcoming shows. I'm gonna put it out there now. It's time for another drunk ideas episode.

50:34

Which is where we come up with ideas that only sound good if you're drunk. So half baked kind of bad, but maybe good startup ideas we should do the very long distance girlfriend, the best one ever. Yeah. Exactly. Very long distance girlfriend was was an old timer.

Which is where we come up with ideas that only sound good if you're drunk. So half baked kind of bad, but maybe good startup ideas we should do the very long distance girlfriend, the best one ever. Yeah. Exactly. Very long distance girlfriend was was an old timer.

50:49

The second one is,

The second one is,

50:51

I think we should do our version of the bachelor. So I think we should get MFM's

I think we should do our version of the bachelor. So I think we should get MFM's

50:56

most eligible

most eligible

50:59

guys and gals, basically,

guys and gals, basically,

51:00

submit your application. We need a photo. We need a we'll we'll put up we should put up, like, a dating site, which is basically like,

submit your application. We need a photo. We need a we'll we'll put up we should put up, like, a dating site, which is basically like,

51:08

we we ask a couple questions. And then we take the best and we present them

we we ask a couple questions. And then we take the best and we present them

51:12

on, on the show, and then people could reach out to them. And they will get, like, a bunch of inbound of people who want to actually date them. And let's see if we can get somebody married out here. Let's see if we can get somebody to fall in love. The second time we've done that, by the way, we had one MFM marriage. But did you, And more than one MFM divorce?

on, on the show, and then people could reach out to them. And they will get, like, a bunch of inbound of people who want to actually date them. And let's see if we can get somebody married out here. Let's see if we can get somebody to fall in love. The second time we've done that, by the way, we had one MFM marriage. But did you, And more than one MFM divorce?

51:28

Yes. Voidable.

Yes. Voidable.

51:30

And that's not a joke. We take it the way.

And that's not a joke. We take it the way.

51:35

Did you see when I did that on Twitter where I, like, tweeted out, like, ten of my friends who were single? And Yeah. That's a great idea. We should just do that as a process. It crushed. Alright. I'll, tweet that out after this.

Did you see when I did that on Twitter where I, like, tweeted out, like, ten of my friends who were single? And Yeah. That's a great idea. We should just do that as a process. It crushed. Alright. I'll, tweet that out after this.

51:48

Well, let's let's do this. By the time this comes out, let's let's make a landing page. He wants to do he wants to call it hot millionaires in your area.

Well, let's let's do this. By the time this comes out, let's let's make a landing page. He wants to do he wants to call it hot millionaires in your area.

51:57

No. I would not call that million as your area. M f embers.

No. I would not call that million as your area. M f embers.

52:03

What can we call it? So what what should we call it? It could be, maybe something with singles,

What can we call it? So what what should we call it? It could be, maybe something with singles,

52:08

maybe something with,

maybe something with,

52:11

let's see. What else?

let's see. What else?

52:14

I don't know. We we gotta get

I don't know. We we gotta get

52:16

no. No. No. Don't give up. You could do this. I don't know. We could change the word singles with shingles.

no. No. No. Don't give up. You could do this. I don't know. We could change the word singles with shingles.

52:22

Is there anything there? Because that's the thing that's always at the bottom of the website. It's like hot singles in your area. So just call it that. Like, it's singles in your area. Too much competition on that name, dude. That's that's the most competitive term on the internet.

Is there anything there? Because that's the thing that's always at the bottom of the website. It's like hot singles in your area. So just call it that. Like, it's singles in your area. Too much competition on that name, dude. That's that's the most competitive term on the internet.

52:33

It's gotta be like,

It's gotta be like,

52:36

MFM most wanted.

MFM most wanted.

52:38

And the but it's most wanted because

And the but it's most wanted because

52:40

you, you know, they're wanted in in a dating sense.

you, you know, they're wanted in in a dating sense.

52:45

Yeah. We we get it. We get it. MFFs responding.

Yeah. We we get it. We get it. MFFs responding.

52:48

That's fine. That's actually great. That's actually great. We're gonna do that. And then Better than shingles

That's fine. That's actually great. That's actually great. We're gonna do that. And then Better than shingles

52:53

It's I don't know. I I like I like changing words, you know, called Twitter Shitter.

It's I don't know. I I like I like changing words, you know, called Twitter Shitter.

52:57

It's

It's

52:59

classic.

classic.

53:00

And then this month, Sean, we probably should do, like, a merge thing.

And then this month, Sean, we probably should do, like, a merge thing.

53:05

Yeah. I'm working on it. I'm I'm going all in on,

Yeah. I'm working on it. I'm I'm going all in on,

53:08

on, Just creating great content. I don't understand what content has to do with merch.

on, Just creating great content. I don't understand what content has to do with merch.

53:14

It's like merch's content to be. Like, we're not gonna get rich selling t shirts, but we can make awesome t shirts that are, like, as good as great content. Like, it makes you laugh. It's interesting. It's cool. It's fun. It's in, you know, it's It's meant for fun, not meant to be like,

It's like merch's content to be. Like, we're not gonna get rich selling t shirts, but we can make awesome t shirts that are, like, as good as great content. Like, it makes you laugh. It's interesting. It's cool. It's fun. It's in, you know, it's It's meant for fun, not meant to be like,

53:28

you know, our Patreon.

you know, our Patreon.

53:31

Alright. I'm down. No. Feds people on Patreon.

Alright. I'm down. No. Feds people on Patreon.

53:35

But y'all are little bitches. You're a patriotic small play stuff.

But y'all are little bitches. You're a patriotic small play stuff.

53:41

Yeah, dude. I don't wanna be, like, I don't wanna have a patron.

Yeah, dude. I don't wanna be, like, I don't wanna have a patron.

53:45

Alright. That's the pod.

Alright. That's the pod.

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