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So I haven't seen any of these questions. So, it started out from a tweet where someone said, like, here's ten questions to get to know people. Is that is that right? Yeah. Listener of the pod, and I think your friend Blake blake Burge, I think, is his name? He had tweeted out a thing, like, you know, whatever.
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There are many questions But few will change your life. Here's ten questions that will change your life. And, you know, thread goes viral. So, you know, normally it's kind of like,
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No. It's good. There's this thing. Ben, you'll have to look it up. Again, no research here. There's this thing I remember years ago. It was called like the New York Times, like, twenty one questions.
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And it was, like, he asked these twenty one questions on a first date. Right?
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Well, on a first date, I thought. And it was, like, here's how you get intimate with people and, like, as a single twenty one year old. I read that. I was like, oh, like, here's how I can hook up with girls. And I remember those questions, and they're very similar to what these these guys questions are. But it was like, When did your father make you cry? Or, like, like, it was, like, pretty deep questions like that.
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And so I'm I'm down with these questions.
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So so I actually read these questions. And I was like, these are actually good questions, but,
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the way he presented it, I think,
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you don't know, offense. This is how most people do Twitter. It's like, Here's some general advice or some general questions.
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What's interesting to me is not the, like, the question, but it's kinda seeing somebody struggle with their their answer to that question. So for example,
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He would ask a question like, and I'll give you give you the first question, which is which is gonna come out here in a second. So, Ben, read read question number one. I'll explain how he tweeted it and how I think we should answer that.
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Request one is in what areas of my life am I settling?
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Okay. So what areas of my life am I settling? That's a powerful question. It's a good thought provoking question. Now his the rest of his tweet was like, you know, just enough or just okay is not good enough. Identify the areas you like, you're you're just settling.
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So to me, that's the part where it was, like, no, no, no, Blake. I wanna hear your answer. Like, you tell me, like, if you're gonna put out one of these bullshit ass threads, that's, like, you know, generic generic generic thread,
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to try to get likes.
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I think that the next level of this, like, bullshit thread thing is people can get a little more vulnerable. They're gonna put their actual answers in the thread rather than general advice. Who's invented this this theme? I'm seeing. So, like, Upworthy was, like, here's ten things. You're not gonna believe number seven. This new one that See on Twitter is there's eight thousand of this thing. Here's the four best.
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Eight billion humans on this earth. Not all of them are worth following. Here's my eleven friends that are worth following. Who would do? Who created that?
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Did one of our buddies pick that or is it?
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I have no idea who started that, but that's never That is the formula.
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Well, Ben, alright. What's the first one?
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I just tried it. It's, in what area of my life? I think it's you go first. Okay. So what areas of my life am I settling?
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And by the way, this is called the boys go to therapy because we gotta open up a little bit. We gotta, we gotta see what the what this what the answer might be. I would say
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to come to mind. The first is fitness.
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Like,
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I think I got kinda comfortable with my
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workout routine, a diet, and I was like, oh, okay. Like, not as fat as I was.
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I'm on my way to getting fit. And I just kind of got okay with, like,
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I was kinda settling for, like, wow.
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You're much better than before,
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but I'm writing that for, for, like, you know, twelve months now. And now the before is the same as the current because it's, like, been a while. Like, six months of, like, the same. And so I just realized this recently and was like, why did I settle here? This isn't the destination. Like, I basically was on a road trip, and I stopped at the gas station. And then unpacked my bags instead of being like, no. No. No. This this is not the destination. This is the the pit stop. I gotta get to the hotel. Yeah. My
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my suitcase open. You made a lot of progress in a relatively short amount of time. You just gotta keep going.
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Yeah. So I would say I'm settling there. And the other one I'm settling, I think, is me and my wife, like, we have two little kids, and
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there's, like, you know, this feeling of, like, you know what? Like,
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we put a lot into work. Okay. Then you put you're putting a lot into your fitness. You're putting a lot into your kids. And it's like, oh, whatever's leftover at the end of the day for each other. Like, you know, we take what we can get as scraps,
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of, like, you know, the energy, the kind of, like,
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just the effort we put into kinda your relationship. As I think we've both kinda settled on that, which is, like, It's fine. They're not they're not leaving.
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They're not going anywhere. It's fine. We can Well, she's oh, she lives later. The kids grow up. She gonna listen to this? No. That's the beauty of it.
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You should never listen to this. I think that that's good that you you said that. Maybe, maybe that will make her like you more. Yeah. Especially because I didn't say that she is doing all this. Right? You said we are doing it, which is, you know, the key. What about you? What area
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of your life, do you think you're settling?
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My a consistent diet needs to I I think I I could I like to improve that. I looked at my goals over the last ten years. So I created a goal tracking thing ten years ago when I was about twenty one, and I hit all of them, except for wanting to weigh a hundred ninety pounds. I've always struggled to lose ten pounds and I just I've always wanted to do it and I've never done it and so I've I'm sucking at that The second thing career wise, I've settled a bit. So I'm I purposely set up a period where I was like one year. The sale and plus one year, I'm gonna chill. I'm just gonna read, I'm gonna learn, and I still am not ready to like go all in on something. I'm I'm not there yet. And so I'm kind of being a little bit lazy, and I feel a little guilt around that. And then I'll be a relationship one.
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Dude, I'm super dependent on Sarah. Like,
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if someone like wants me to come speak somewhere, I'll be like, Sarah, you just, like, handle this or, like, do you want me to go speak here? Like, let me know. Like, I'm only gonna and and oftentimes because I don't like to fly, I'll be like, by the way, I'm only going if you're available. Like, if you don't go, I don't wanna go. Because I enjoy being around her. And I think, I should learn to do a few things by myself a little bit more than I have been lately. I just tend to rely on her so freaking much that I need to I need to go do stuff by myself. Give me one that's give me one that's
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a settle that you I I feel like all those settles, maybe that both of us said are, like,
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settles that we're kinda cool with. What's a settle you're not cool with?
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The weight thing. Yeah. The weight thing, I'm not cool with that. Like, I get up, like, I'm pissed off. I'm like, why can't I just be consist if I was just consistent for, like, five months, with an an eight a certain amount of calories, I'd be good. I'm I I would be good. I would hit it, but it is so freaking tempting and I just give in to that shit. And that pisses me off.
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What else? I don't know. What am I I do think that
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so tell me if this is a settling thing.
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I create I've created a couple little small pro products in my free time, and I get so excited about making like five hundred dollars, one hundred dollars, a thousand dollars a day. I get so much joy from that. And I'm like,
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dude, I could crush this if I want to. I can build things that are huge.
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Why am I not why don't I have the motivation to do this? And so I feel like I feel soft and like I'm settling in that aspect.
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Yeah. I think one, one that I've seen in myself
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and by the way, I don't think that that was,
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I forgot what you said. You said tell me what you think about this. Like, I agree with So so I think that was good.
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I'm thinking more and more that the the the settling thing
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The easiest way for me to pinpoint where I'm settling is when I see the contrast,
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when I see somebody who's not settled in this area, and I'm like, oh,
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They wow. They're really pushing it beyond beyond where I am right now in this. Like, and it doesn't mean I'm always gonna just chase and do what others do necessarily, but it kinda takes me seeing that for me to be like,
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oh, word. Like, that's this isn't,
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this isn't the kind of the spot to just settle down and and and dig my heels in. And so that's happened to me with money. Like, for example,
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I've seen people's lifestyle or I've seen people's
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just people talking about stuff. It's like somebody will be like,
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yeah. We, you know, we picked up this project and then we, you know, like, a real estate deal. We picked up this this deal, and we're gonna flip it, you know, basically four months later.
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And, you know, we should make one and a half million on that. And I'm I'm just sort of like, oh, okay. So, like, their normal
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they have settled for their normal is, like,
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what would have been, let's say, an outstanding outcome for me, but, like, to them, that's the normal course of business.
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I just sort of check myself and I say, alright. Do I care? And
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usually, I usually, I do care. Usually, I do care when I notice those things because that's they stood out to me in the first place. And, like, sometimes they don't stand out in this way that I'm saying where I'm saying it all calmly. I'm just sort of, like, Usually, it's, like, I'm jealous of them, or I'm, like,
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I find myself trying to come up with a reason why that's not good. And then I gotta hold and I gotta pull myself back by Oh, or maybe instead of coming up with reasons why that's not good, I should just admit that it's probably good and something that I actually want for myself, and I'm just trying to kinda, like, mentally in my own justification, tear their shit down a little bit to make myself feel okay. But in reality, maybe I should just say, oh, cool. They should be something I want.
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And maybe I've I've I've actually just kind of settled here, but I could go further than I than I currently have. Do do you a journal? Do you have a history of journaling?
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Or goal setting at least just like writing down, like, thoughts or targets that you wanna achieve for different ages.
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Not ages,
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but, like, do, like, kind of have ideas in mind, but it's not it's not based on how old I am. Like, I I've done this before. No. I don't mean, like, in the future.
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What I mean is, like, when you're twenty one, were you, like, alright. This year, I want to accomplish this. When I was twenty one, I did, I said, okay. By thirty,
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I I used to say by thirty, I wanna have a million dollars in the bank. And,
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I had a couple of goofy ones. It's like I have a million dollars in the bank. I wanna gone on survivor and I wanna, like, you know, I had, like, two other, like, I don't even remember what they were at this point. And then, like, as I got older, I was, oh, well, that number needs to be bigger. And then the second one, time isn't really a factor. And like, oh, I don't care about Forbes thirty into thirty. That's actually all and, like, you know, I kind of adjusted my, like, goals once I, like, wasn't twenty one anymore. Well, I think it's good to look at those things because I I'll look at all my old early in writing. So I'm like, what what energy was I putting into there? What was I bummed about? What was I excited about? And then oftentimes I do one of two things. I either try to impress my past self or try to make my future self pumped where I'm like, what what I'm what will I be really excited that I did now,
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in ten years? So there's this thing. I don't know if you've heard of it. So Chris Saka, who is,
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you know, one of the kind of best investors of all time who's one of the biggest investors in Twitter and Instagram and couple other bad ass companies. He,
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he had this thing which was, like, He he read out somewhere. I think it was, like, on the Tim Ferris podcast, something. He, like, he read out a note that he had written to himself.
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And of note that he'd written written to himself when he was twenty years old.
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And,
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and he goes, I actually, I just found it while we were talking here. So this is perfect. I found the transcript Have you do do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know what I'm about to say? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember it. I remember it. What did he say? I don't remember exactly who he says, but I remember this episode. He goes, he goes something about, you know, what do you wanna be when you grow up? He goes, so here I am. I'm twenty years old. I'm living in Cork, Ireland,
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and we'd start the day drinking at eleven thirty, blah, blah, blah. And I never heard of an investment banker. I've never heard at that point, I had never heard of a venture capitalist. And so I just wrote in there. I don't know what the job is called, but I know it's gonna involve a lot of talking on the phone, a lot negotiating a lot of yelling at people, high risk, high reward, unbelievably
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high stakes. And I'm gonna do it part time from the mountains, part time from the beach. Whatever it does, whatever it is, I'm gonna be done with it before I'm forty. And then he's like, you know, fast forward. He this is, you know, just think he was forty forty one. And he basically A billionaire. A compliment is exactly that. Yeah. So he's like, he's now a billionaire who does exactly that, makes deals. He didn't know what a VC was, became a VC, which is that deal. He has a house and trucky, and, you know, another one on the beach. So he had the mountains and the beach thing, and it was, like, literally, it all played out, and he retired from the game. And he was, like, done with it. And he moved on with his life, and he started doing other things.
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And so,
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so I always thought that was really cool. And I thought it was cool because it wasn't like
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these fucking lame goals, it was a description
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of his life. It was a it was like a painting of his life. It was like a movie scene of his life. And I've noticed that the people who kinda do this, like, they kinda call their shot and they manifest it, they don't really call their shot with, like,
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some like, it doesn't feel like Excel. It feels like IMovie. It's not like a bullet point analytical thing. It's
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like a vision for how their life is gonna be and what life is gonna feel like, and they don't even know the words to describe it or the route to get there. They're like, but that's it. That thing at the end, how it's gonna feel. That's what it's gonna look like. That's what it's gonna sound like. I'm doing this tonight. I'm doing this is good. I IMovie, not Excel. That's a good one. If you were gonna do, like, Let's do a kind of off the cuff shitty version. Right? Again, we do it for the entertainment,
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of we do it for the people.
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What do you think would go into that? What are you what's your or what comes to mind as your version of that?
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I like
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physical places
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as opposed to internet places. So I like,
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it would really
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I wanna have a I really wanna own
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I wanna have some type of physical
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land or or
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buildings throughout the country that I can entertain all of my friends all at one time and pay for all of Can I propose something here? Yeah. Can I propose? We do a two minute thing where we just jot down on our note here what we think it is. And we'll just cut that out. No. Because I'm not prepared. I'm not prepared.
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You what's yours? That's all you gotta do it. What's yours? That's what I'm saying. We we gotta we gotta write it down. We gotta figured out. Okay. So I think I'm not ready. Alright.
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Look at that reaction. This tells you that's what we call resistance when the boys go to therapy. I have
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to figure this out. This is, like, such a hard thing to do. Next question, Ben.
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Fuck. Are you guys ready for the next question? Okay. Let me let me give you my let me give you my scene right now. Okay. My scene that I have in my head is You're already living.
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No, dude. My house is, like, this I already know the house. It's this big ass house that everything's fucking white inside.
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My I'm at this I I have the same I have a chef like I have today, but it's, like, on this, like, giant area. There's people just coming in and out of my house because we're, like, the fucking lobby. Like, my whole life and work is so integrated that, like, my trainer's showing up. They're having brunch with us. And then the, you know, I'm having this meeting with this other person, but they're also gonna work out with us. And the whole thing is just integrated into one big ass thing. My mom's over. My sister's over because we all live nearby because we all made it. The second thing is I take a nap midday
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with no guilt. So zero guilt midday nap. I already know that that is, like, that is the
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That implies that the rest of the shit worked itself all out. And then the last piece is,
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all I get to do is just meet interesting people
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and, be super curious about them. And then I just
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either, I don't know, record or type or something, like, kinda like what we're doing right now. I just take the interesting bits. I put it out there and it's in millions it's in in a million people's ears or eyes, you know, the next day because they are following it
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They love the content. The, like, they love the content packages I put out. And I never meet those people. I don't have to talk to them. I'm not their consultant. I'm not their motivational speaker.
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Just kind of I'm taking little bits of what I'm curious about, and I'm putting it into a million people's ears every morning. I think, you're almost I think you're practically there. I don't know. You gotta get the house and the fancier chef, dude. You could take a nap now. I'm sure. See, the midday nap right now is kids that's indulgent.
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If you take if you take a nap That's like that's like giving the middle finger to your spouse. It's not gonna take a nap right now.
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What's the next question, Ben? By the way, the that million people's ear things, that was old. I had said that before we started this podcast. I had told Sue. He was like, what do you wanna do next? When I was selling the company,
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And we were on, like, a fucking ten mile walk. We just kept walking in the middle of the night, and he was like, tell me more. What are you what are you thinking? Said, dude, I think what I wanna do is I just wanna have some way that I could just get my thoughts out there. And I'm it gets in a million peoples. I I remember calling it earballs. I said, it's in a million people's earballs in the morning. I said, I just think that that would be so cool if I could just be on people's ears while they're on their commute to work or whatever else. And that was before the podcast. Now the podcast is getting close to that. Yeah. You have that. Alright. Question to
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and you can go out of order, Ben. Pick pick the questions that are interesting to you.
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Let's go with question ten. You should choose your battles wisely. What battles do I choose?
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Dude, I choose so many petty battles. Like, If I when I'm driving and I see someone behind me and they're driving like an asshole and cutting other people off, I, like, go out of my way slow down and purposely, like, block it. So I'm going just as fast as the fast light, so they can't get by me.
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Also, I I reply. You're like, I go to their destination.
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Yeah, dude. I just
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it pisses me off at someone's route. I also,
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reply to the just so many comments that I shouldn't reply to.
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Where I think someone has said something and it's just kind of ridiculous and I to it and there's no reason why I should be doing that. So I pick a lot of really, really, really dumb battles. Your HOA battle that you had, I would die on that one.
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That would that would not that this would not stand. That's what I would say. I mean, I would go hard on that one. What was the question though? What what battles do you pick that you shouldn't? It's basically, it says choose battles wisely. What battle do I choose? So which, really, what you're saying? What battle do you want to be choosing? Another way of looking at is what you said, which or the shitty? What battles am I stupidly choosing right now that I need to not be choosing? Dude, I choose so much small stuff. Like, I just, for some reason, I stay, like, hardcore in the dirt. Like, for example, I'm out at my ranch and I've got people here, like setting up my Airbnb and stuff. And, like, people are, like, doing the stuff. But, like, I just have to be here and I'm, like, putting shit together
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or, like, fuck it. I guess I'm gonna go rent a car and go to Costco. It's like, no, we're already doing that. I choose the smallest stuff as opposed to leveraging my my skill set. And so that is an unwise battle that I should not be picking. Instead,
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I need to be thinking about much bigger things and I just I simply don't. I think having kids might change that. I think there's a world where that we're I'm praying that having a child is gonna, like, somehow, like, show me the way.
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You guys could tell me if I'm wrong, but dude, I picked the smallest I focus on tiny, tiny, tiny issues.
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That's like, I have a friend who,
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the, like, the there are a couple that are, like, kinda going through problems right now is as a relationship. And then she said something. She was like,
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I just feel like I need to have a kid, and then that's gonna, like, help us. And I was like, oh my god.
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No. That is not the answer.
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Like, I understand why you Dude, that that will make this relation better, but it is going to do the exact opposite.
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I think it could be the answer, to be honest. Having a dog is, like, two percent of having a child, not in the sense of I'm taking care of it, but it's, like, I've got something that I need to protect and take care of, and it makes me a little bit happier. I imagine properly having a human being where you're like, oh, I have to dedicate my my life to this person. It's beyond me at this point. I have a feeling that is that can be very inspiring. And that's why I think a lot of, like, thirty five and forty year olds who are childless and are like getting messed up on psychedelics all the time and feel depressed. I'm like, dude, just fucking pop out some babies. I bet, like, you won't be asking yourself how do find myself, you're gonna say, how do I just, like, make this kid happy? And, like, when you dedicate yourself to others, I think you're happier.
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Can I read you something cool, by the way? But I just Do you disagree with that?
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No. I think you're right in that in two ways. So I think you're right that having a kid definitely takes the focus off yourself that that eliminates, like, a huge number of worries that you have, but it replaces them with new worries. If your habit is to worry, guess what? Whatever situation I put you in, you're gonna find something to worry about. It's just better to worry about other people, though. It's it's more rewarding to It is an improvement. It is an improvement. The other thing is that yeah, some bullshit just gets thrown out the window because you don't have that bandwidth. You don't have that extra time to think about stuff and do stuff and make that trip to Costco because it's just off the table. You don't have the time. And so so that's one thing, but it it doesn't fundamentally change the nature of the problem. The root cause of the problem,
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which would be, you know, like a focus on minor things because guess what? Then you're gonna start to focus on you know, why your kids, you know, pinky toe is a little bit crooked and why they have this little rash on their knee. And, like, why they're not eat why they didn't eat all, you know, a balanced lunch. And, like, There's a million there's a zillion things you could worry about with a kid, and you could even justify them further because it you're I'm a martyr. I'm a great parent for doing so. You gotta be careful with that. I don't think it goes away, but I do think it, like, changes the problem a little bit.
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So what's yours?
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Okay. I'll answer the question. I'm gonna read you this thing. So the battles,
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the battles I should pick. I should pick
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The battles I wanna choose are,
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health.
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So
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being in the best health that I can be and having a a healthy lifestyle for me and the people around me. Is your wife healthy? Does she eat healthy?
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Yeah. She she
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She's in and out. She she can be when she's on it. She's super clean. She she doesn't have the problem I have of discipline. Like, once she flips the switch, she'll just never
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Ebadic again until she flips the switch off, and then she'll eat Oreos all day. And so it's like, you know, one or the other.
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And so, yeah, but and same thing with working out. She's like hardcore intense about that and hardcore intense about her diet.
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And, like, she doesn't waiver at all. So,
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but it's just a matter of what what mood she's in.
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Like, and the mood is, like, a year long mood, not like a daily daily fluctuation.
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So
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I think health is the first one because I've seen that once your health goes a little sideways,
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nothing else actually mat none of the other battles have, like, any relevance anymore.
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I think the second one is,
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like,
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probable probably the second battle to choose is, like,
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I don't know. Probably something around parenting, but I don't even know how to phrase it. Like, I don't know. Being,
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like, not constantly,
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trying to, like, rush through parenting parenting and, like, getting the job done. That's probably the second one is, like, the battle of enjoying being patient with my kids.
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And then the last one is probably, like, I do too many projects. I have so many fucking projects at once.
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And
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They're all good projects, but they're probably collectively together
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a bad number of projects. And so that's probably the worst one. I know I always say it, but how many people criticize you about that?
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I don't know if my friends and people who actually care about me, like, I don't know. Like, the people who know me and care me. They do. They do. And the people who don't are like, oh, that's cool. You do so many things. And my friends are like, that's not cool. All these things could be cool. You gotta do them. You gotta do them right. And if you're not gonna do them, you gotta figure out how to, like, hire somebody who's gonna do that thing for you. Dude, I would if I was you, I would only do three things. I would do the podcast because that's not that hard, and it kinda drives the other thing. I would do milk road, and I would do investing.
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Yeah. The problem is I'm too deep in on e commerce. And so I gotta, like, either hire my way out or sell this thing or I don't know what. I don't know what the other options are. I think you sell it or something. I think that we we everyone talks about hiring someone to run shit, you're still, like, involved somehow. Like, you're not actually I I think that that's actually really hard to do. When you did it for the hustle, you were pretty good about it. Right? Yeah. But I thought about it all. I mean, I still felt like I was working there, but, yeah, I I didn't do other projects though.
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Wanna read something to you real quick. There's a thing from Divall. That's I don't know. You said something that that reminded me of this. It's a little I have a Slack channel called Wisdom, and this is in there. So he goes,
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he says the only true test of intelligence is if you get what you want out of life.
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It's the only true test of intelligence. Because if you're getting what you want out of life, it goes. There's two this. One is are you able to hack reality to get what you want? And the more important one was were you smart enough to figure out what you should want in the first place?
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That's the hard part. Exactly.
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And, like, you know, you read this and you nod. And then it's like,
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have I been smart enough to figure this out in the first one? What do I even want? And then do I do I, like, both you and I, we have developed the skills of hacking reality,
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but we get a little loose on remembering what what we actually want and what doesn't matter, what we don't care about, and, like, remembering which game to actually play. Yeah. Ben bending reality is, in my opinion, the easy part knowing what you want is the way, way harder.
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I don't know.
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I don't know. That's really just one other part. One other part that I really liked, he goes,
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You live in a society which has a bunch of people in it. So that will train you to play the the bunch of people game, the multiplayer game.
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But only an only as an individual, do you get to stumble on the hidden game, the single player game. And that is the real game. And he goes,
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He says a couple things. He goes,
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he goes,
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if you had no adversity, it would be a very boring game. So remember, you gotta play the game. It's your game. You get to design the board, design the challenge, you get to design the victory condition.
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And that is the creativity. That is, like, you know, the sort of you get to decide the purpose of your own life and in the same way. You get to design what game you're gonna play, what the rules are, and what the victory condition is. And if you haven't Where did you write this? Potentially done that? You're, you know, you're not you're not playing it. You know, you you haven't actually started playing that game, consciously yet. Where did he write that? I know. He he said this on like a Twitter spaces or something like that. This guy's Zach.
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Zach Pogrub,
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tweeted it out. I liked it. That's good. Ben, what's the other question? What's another one?
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Alright. I think this is an interesting one.
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What are you letting in? So in other words, like,
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he he says turn off the news. Don't read the comments, quit interacting with negativity. Think of his mental fitness. Like,
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What what things are you letting in? What noise are you letting in that you shouldn't let in? Oh, that you shouldn't. I have a
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yeah. What what are you letting through the through the window or the door that actually you know, you shouldn't be shouldn't be getting through the What are yours?
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Well, I had you had written something on the doc that I think is interesting. It was about feedback. So let's just zoom it into feedback.
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What was your question around feedback?
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So
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I have a few ways that I go about doing this, but you could do this when building a product or when,
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just asking people about your personality, which I think you should do. Like, what do I what do I suck? What do I rock? And
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Wait, you'll notice, and it's very clear. I tweeted out what do you like about the podcast? What do you want more of? What do you want less of? And for every person who says they want a longer podcast, There's an equal amount of people who say they want a shorter one. There are some people who say more guests. There are some people who say no guest,
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and that makes things really hard. You to to figure out feedback. And so I was gonna ask you,
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how do you decide which feedback to listen to and which to ignore?
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So I started off, like,
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I used to the way I used to think about this was,
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do feedback is the key. You need a feedback loop. You need to to your customers. You need to know your audience.
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And there was all these, like, you know, books written about how important that stuff is. And so I became fucking, mister feedback. I would, you know, if I had a project idea, I'm taking the designs out to a mall and I'm stopping people and say, Hey, well, you give me feedback on this idea and you know, every coworker, I was like, hey, would love some feedback. What do you like about me? What do you hate about me? Hey, what's good about me to work with, etcetera? I was fucking mister feedback, and then I started to get what you what you just described, which is information whiplash,
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which is it's like information overload, but it's not just an overload. It's the contribution. Yeah.
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So then I'm like, oh, shit. What to do? So then I got paralyzed. So then I went to
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Steve Jobs mode. Fuck feedback. People don't know what they want. Why would I ask them what they want? They don't they don't even know what they want for breakfast. Could they tell me what they want out of this out of this app they've never heard of? How could they tell me how to be a better boss, blah, blah. People don't know what they want. And I became mister Steve Jobs in the turtleneck.
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I sort of realized that's not good either. Right? Because now I've isolated myself from actually getting feedback, so I I have no signal to go off of.
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And so now I've come up with a better balance,
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I think, between the two, which is
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I seek out feedback
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from people who I think are are gonna give me relevant feedback. So I don't just ask everybody.
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And then the last piece is The feedback is not the answer. It's the question.
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So
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when I hear feedback, I'm not looking for the answer to what we should do what we should do less of, how I can be better, how I can be worse.
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I'm just looking for the feedback to just surface a couple of questions. So for example,
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If they, if the feedback said, you know, longer podcast, some people will say, oh, I want longer podcast. Some people say, I want shorter podcasts.
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It's just a question that comes up, which is
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What do I think is the right length of the podcast? What podcasts are great when they're long? What podcasts are great when they're short? You know, what would be the what would be a great short version of our podcast. So I use the feedback
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to ask myself a better question, and then it's my job to come to the answer. It's their job to just give me their opinion, which which gives me a question that that can ask. And so same thing where it goes with products, which is when I ask for feedback,
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we both like this book called The Mom test. And the the central principle is I only get to ask them about their problems. They don't I don't get to ask them what solution they want.
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And so similarly, when I go ask for feedback now, I'm just looking for them to say things that's gonna get me to ask a better question that will get me to to come up. Then it's my job to come up with the answer to that.
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So that's the main principle
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when when in doubt, there's one final thing, which is at the end of the day, I gotta, like, trust myself, and I gotta know that Ultimately, if I just do the thing I think is right over and over and over again, I will happen to I might some people might not like it, but I will ultimately attract the people who love what I do. So that comes back to that that saying my my trainer gave me, which is who are my customers, the people that love what I do. And it became that simple for me. So what I that's what I fall back to. So it's, like,
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if it was, like, an if else statement,
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it's, like, if the if their feedback gives me a clear question and an answer that I know what to do I'll make an adjustment. But if not,
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then I'm just gonna do what I do, and I know that that will attract the type person who loves what I do. I think that I I think you can I always call it like Excel sheet your way to creating a big business?
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So I think that, like, you could just say, like, wears the opportunity based off of, like, traffic demand and, I just hired these people, and you can create wealth that way. I I so I I and I and I don't like when people say you have to be passionate it. You don't really have to. You can just excel your way to this, but what I've learned throughout the years is like it's a lot more fun just to do things that you think is are cool.
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And typically
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I can that's more of the feedback that I'll listen to is just like, do I think this is cool? And the second thing when I get feedback is I don't actually care
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like you said, what they're saying.
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I I care more about why they're saying it. And so for example, when people say make the podcast
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shorter, they're not saying make it shorter. They're saying it's not always that interesting.
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Right. Exactly. And and so the because if something's
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you know, really long. It doesn't matter as long as it's badass or if I did a made a three hour movie about Sean, your Sean's gonna watch it. And so it's really not about
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listening to the actual feedback, but why do I think they're saying it? So that's what I listen to. Alright. This one, you guys get to talk about some other people.
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This one is am I surrounding myself with the right people? Who are the five I want to spend time with?
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Powerful question.
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That is a powerful question.
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So let's just we'll make it but I think it's a heavy question, so let's make it light. So Tell me right now, who are the five if you just said, I spend my time the most with these five people. Who are the five people you currently just spend the most time with?
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Wife. Sarah problem.
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Neville Madora, my best friend and and lives next next door to me.
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Ramon,
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who you people know, Ramon Vamir, and then,
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Jack Smith. That's four. You got one more? I wouldn't put anyone else in those categories. No. That's it. Your dog. Well, and, you know, I I like, you guys kinda, like, I that's pretty in-depth.
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But I would say that that's the the out edit there.
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And alright. So then let's let's let's just add one more. Who's somebody you wish was in that five that is that you're not spending As much time as as you, like, in an ideal world, you would be?
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Steph Smith.
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I would add Steph Smith, though.
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Yeah.
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Nice.
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I think Seth Smith is is amazing.
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Just like what?
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I was like, just like our podcast listeners,
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they also want voice estimates. So Every time I talk to her, I'd, like, damn, she's brilliant. She's a very special person.
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So maybe her,
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anyone else, like,
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I sometimes I do wish, like, I had, like, some baller, baller, baller friends. A lot of my friends are pretty great, but like fucking hanging out with like a Russian oligarch just to see how like some of these crazy people think who are like extreme
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I would like I like extreme people. So even though I may think they're a bad person, I would like to hang out with some of these extreme people
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who are just on extreme ends of success, or it could even be an athlete. Like, what's it like to hang out with, like, the person who holds the world record in the marathon? So it would be nice to to be around more extreme people.
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That's a that's a really good actually twist to this, which is I think a lot of people have heard this idea of you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with, and that's true. But there's two other groups of people that I think really matter.
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One is, like, equivalent of a bender. It's like, you don't wanna go on a bender every day or every weekend, but, like,
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twice a year, a bender is a lot of fun. And if you don't do a bender twice a if you're not really having one amazing party or, you know, just an all nighter or some kind of experience that's, like, a little out there, you kind of are leaving a little bit of life on the table.
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And,
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and so
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there's some people that are amazing in that capacity that you just you would never want in your,
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your everyday, but they're amazing twice a year, twice a year hangs with. And I think there's some people that are like that. The other one is
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Who have you just not even encountered yet? Like, who is just outside of your bubble that it's like, you don't even know what you don't know yet because you just don't hang out with anybody like that. And so you you have zero exposure. And therefore, you know, it's just like, it's not part of your world view. It's not part of your mental model yet. So I think that's
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two categories.
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What are the five or the those those two two two new categories? Do do the five and then the other. Alright. So my five would be sonya, my wife, and my kids, I'll just put put it all together.
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My mom is the next one. So I spend my mom comes over one week out of every month. She stays with us.
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Ben, who's kind of like my my right hand man, my my business partner across milk road across
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in the fun. He helps with the podcast. He does a bunch of things.
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So I talked to Ben hours a day.
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Andre who I don't think you've met Andre. Right?
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No. No. Andre is, like, kinda like the new Ben. He's, like, the next Ben.
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So he's a he's a new guy in the fold on on that level. And Andre is kind of amazing because
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Andre's got this story.
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That he had some illness. He had something he caught some bug. He got some infection that, like,
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he gave him, like, kinda, like, chronic fatigue syndrome or something like that. He basically, like, couldn't get out of bed for, like, I don't know, like, two years or something like that. Like, he he was in a wheelchair or something. And nobody
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nobody knew what it was, and it would just, like, and then he kinda, like, cover from it, but it was like this multi year thing. And so this motherfucker is the most, like, grateful person
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you'll ever meet because he's like, dude, I walked today, and I'm, like, you know, like, it doesn't take much for Andre to be, like, high on life. And because Andre's around me all the time, I'm I get that secondary high that you know, the contact high -- Right. -- off of Andre.
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And, like, you know, because he he kind of, like, was just battling and
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got out of it. And so now he's, like, every day, he, like
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you could tell he's just savoring every day, like, as if you you haven't eaten in, like, two weeks and you're having your first meal. That's how Andre's like. And so I love that bondra. And who are the other two?
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The other one is Suli, who's our mutual buddy.
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And
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I don't hang out with him that much because he moved, but he's a partner in one of my businesses. And so I talked to him, you know, because that but the one downside is now that he's like an official business partner,
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we don't really just, like,
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talk to shoot the shit anymore. It's like we kind of time I'm talking to him, I'm sort of talking to him always as he's as if he's my investor or business partner instead of just catching up, you know. So I guess that's probably the downside. And then so those are the those are the five that I'm currently hanging out with
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the most. I would put you next as we hang out, you know, two, three hours a week doing this. That's more than most people. And then the one I wish I hung out with more was Ramon, because Ramon is, like, the best human on earth. So, you know, the more Ramon in my life, the better human I would be, just, you know, by default.
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I completely agree. When he teaches me a lot, he,
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he's a very thoughtful person. I learn a lot from him.
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And then the the the category that I was saying, the people I'd have exposure to is, like, I basically have no exposure anymore to people that are in high school and college, which is, like, actually pretty important as an investor and, like, you know, person of the world to know, like, What that's like, oh, I forgot. I used to think about these stupid things, and they were the most important things in my life, or, like, oh, wow. You know, we didn't have phones, so we couldn't do these things. That they're doing now in high school or college. So I have, like, zero exposure to that.
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You know, like people in third world countries, like, you know, I went down to Mexico, I was like, oh, wow. Like, I kinda forgot, like, just how simple and, like, different life is for most people on earth, And, like, you know, I used to live in Indonesian and China and stuff like that. So, like, I definitely was in it every day, but now, you know, I'm just sitting in the Burbs in California, so it's easy to forget So I I think I have a lot. Like, my bubble is pretty tight right now. And I think I should pop that intentionally once a while. Do you wanna do one more question, Ben?
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We're doing five question. Five questions. It looks like a nice,
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round number.
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And you bet you can remix it because some of these the same, so you could just ask a different question. You're a good question, ask her in general. So you could ask a good question. I've been thinking about, one of these. So let's go with this one. In what ways am I in my own way?
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I can say that one easy. I lose my temper and follow my I get very
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emotional.
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Where I'm like, no fuck this. This is wrong. We have to do it this way.
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And I have lost a lot of money for doing that for, like,
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let's just say, like, it's an employee who I think, like, has,
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maybe underperformed
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even though they talk like they're hot shit, I would just fire them as opposed like, well, we could definitely salvage this. Like, there's lots of ways to salvage things and make things better. And so it's an, a net positive. But more often than not, be like, well, no, I just I'm out. I don't wanna deal with the headache. I'm over it. Or and that is a very emotional decision. I make so many emotional decisions.
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Oftentimes it's sometimes it's ego. Oftentimes it's temper.
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But mostly if it's like, oh, I think this person is trying to get one over them on me. Like, fuck them. I wanna crush them. No. I'm not doing, you know what I mean? Make a ton.
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Yes. I make a ton of emotional decisions as opposed to practical decisions.
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That's interesting.
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Alright. I got two. I have one that's real, but But is that true? Have you have you seen that with me? Yeah. For sure. You you've been mad at me sometimes and I'm like, because you think I'm trying to, like, get one over on you. And I'm like, dude, I'm really not. And then once you realize I'm not, like, your whole perspective changed right away. And I was Oh, that's what you thought. Like, oh, I had no idea because I wouldn't like, it's so different than the way I think. So I I didn't
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I just never I I couldn't under stand it. Basically, it's not like We can give a real example. I got mad at you for being late. And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, He doesn't care. He doesn't care about this. He thinks he's better. And it was reality was like, no. Dude, my baby was sick or, like,
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you know, I, like, that she was in the bath and it took forever to get her out. And that's, like, a legitimately good excuse. Like,
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even a bad excuse, which was just, like, dude, I just I literally
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Like, I was sitting here. I just lost track of time. I'm not doing anything. I'm not more important. I'm not, like, Adiva. I'm not,
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trying to do that. Like, I I feel horrible every time I do. Like, I Sometimes I literally don't even have a good excuse.
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But e but even that was fine with you, it was just like and as long as you don't know, I was sorta, like,
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actively
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doing it, it didn't bother you. You know what I mean? No. I like it doesn't bother me. Or another thing that I do all the time and I think everyone should learn from me and I'm working hard at it and I made this mistake is replying
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really quickly
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to text based messages. So whether that's an email,
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anything where it's like, dude, it's okay if you sit on this for an hour or even a day or even five days. Sometimes I'll get shit like a text or an email, and I'm like, oh, no, f that. And I quickly replied. I'm like, oh, I should've just sat on that for, like, three hours. What was I thinking?
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Yeah. I'm, that's actually a great one. That's a great answer for me too. I'm massively
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disorganized,
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which affects everything. So it's like replying. Like, there are so many emails and text messages that, like,
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People are either, like, offering me something. They're trying to help me, and I'm just not replying. And people take it very personally.
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As, you know, maybe I would too if I felt like I was getting blown off by person, or I'll just miss a deal that, like, it's just like a clear win for me because I just don't reply.
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I forget to reply. I don't see it. I would say fuck them. You know, I actually don't think you should. I I've been struggling with that too. I had and lately, I'm just like I'm just not gonna feel bad about replying to these people. Like and it this is the most doucheous wait. Listen. Here's the most doucheous thing I could say, but
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just subtract this by, like, a lot and that's the reality. Imagine you're Justin Timberlink and people like are always presenting you with stuff. You're just like, dude, I don't care. I'm gonna do what I wanna do. Of course, we are not that big a deal. But like a much
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much smaller version where there's like lots of opportunities and I'm just like, I'm just gonna ignore all of them. I don't expect JT to reply to a DM. Do I?
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Yeah. That's true. But, I'm talking about, like, people who I'm doing business with her, by their, my friends, or something like that. Like, those are the people I do intend to be replying to, or I've asked them for something and they gave it to me. I forget something with it. But what do you think?
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Laziness there, like, imagine how much is
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that?
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I I don't wanna show the check on on screen, but this is a thirteen thousand dollar check that's just been sitting here for, like, six months. And then it expired.
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And so now I just had to go, like, get a new check. And then I got the this is the new check after the other one expired, and I still haven't deposited this one. Another month has gone by. Like, that's how shitty I am, and it's just sitting here because I'm just disorganized for no reason or the same thing with, like, my company's book. So here's the bad way it plays out, which is
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I don't, like, I've never hired a bookkeeper.
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And so I'm, like, oh, yeah. Like, I don't know, like, aren't the transactions just, like, on the credit card? No. They gotta ask you. They gotta ask you. At the end of the year just I'll just cram for my taxes final and just figure this out. And so now I'm like learning, oh, how do people do this. Oh, they hire bookkeepers, and then they, like, okay. Gotcha. So, like, there were just things that are just messy in my world that's me getting in my own way.
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You know, it cost me a lot of money to to have messy books or not reply to certain certain emails.
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So I think that's me getting in my own way. The other one was just staying up late, which is, again, this is so boring cliche almost embarrassed to even say it on the podcast because How late do you stay up? Nobody gives a fuck. Like, on average, I was staying up till two or three in the morning, and then I'd wake up at nine. And I just started, like, last week. I was just like, fuck it. I'm just gonna sleep early. And it solved, like, five of my biggest problems. It's, like, my diet cleaned up because I'd no longer late night snack or eat, like, junk. Which is all I would do. Right? If I had dinner at seven, and now it's one AM and I'm hungry, like, guess what?
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Nothing good happens after midnight. You click it could be eating or it could be fighting.
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Yeah. Exactly. It's like my sleep was shitty. My work was shitty. I was editing the milk road at night. Now I just I sleep at, like, ten thirty or eleven. I wake up at six thirty or seven in the morning. I write the milk road and it's or edit the milk road, and it's done. But and, like, by the time the kids wake up, like, I've already, like, finished my work day almost. And so I just cleaned that up and it cleaned up, like, five other things.
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But again,
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so fucking cliche to say, sleeping early that I
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bleep this whole thing out. Make it mysterious instead.
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Do you remember,
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how regimented Robierdick was about tracking his time and, like, waking up at six AM or five AM or whatever he did? I actually, like,
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like,
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I if that's what makes him happy, do it, and I also respect how crazy is about that. I think I like extreme people.
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Part of me was like, ugh, but that's like, you don't need to do that. But then the other part is like, it would be kind of cool to do for like two or three weeks just to see what would happen. This what would happen if you do get up at six AM and you are, like, you have a very strict schedule.
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I actually do think that that sounds kind of fun to try it once in a while. What time do you, sleep and wake up typically?
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Last night, I couldn't go to bed. I went to bed at one or two,
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and I got out of bed at seven. I you'd normally always get out of bed at seven.
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But are you, like, super regimented with your schedule? I'm not productive though, usually. I'm not productive until about nine or ten.
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My, yeah, so my baby wakes up at
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six in the morning, usually. So that's when I'm up. And,
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I try and go to bed around, like, ten, ten thirty. And then once or twice a month, I'll go to bed at, like, three AM because I need to get something done. That's that's when I go to bed at three AM?
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I I
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you're not, like, going on doing shit. Wait. Do do you drink? Do you drink or do drugs? No. Well, it's usually, like, I god. This is the lamest trio ever. When I when I do have to take over the world episodes, I usually do a bunch of it in one sitting that I'll do from, like, nine PM
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to, like, three or four AM. I'll do that twice a month. Sean Hughes. So let me recap these five questions or
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I drink if like the occasion calls for it, but not with any regularity. No. But you get drunk? I I used to, but no. Like, last five years, I have not been getting drunk. And do you do any drugs? No. God, that's crazy. What a bunch of prunes. Dude, I just drink green smoothies, bro. I I I don't even drink coffee.
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We are so lame. Alright. Go ahead. Alright. I'm gonna recap the five questions. So the five questions were in what areas of my life am I settling right now?
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The next one was,
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Am I surround? Oh, no. That's not it. Oh, yeah. Choose your battles wisely.
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What battles
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am I choosing right now? And what, like, what do I wanna choose? So what areas of my life am I settling?
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Choose your battles wisely. What battles do you wanna choose? Number three, what am I letting in that I need to shut out? That's noise and information and opinions from the outside world. And then
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am I surrounding myself with the right people who are the five people I wanna spend the most time with? And what was the fifth one? Did we do five? Yeah. Question five was in what ways am I in my own way? Oh, yeah. In what ways am I in my own way? What are the things you're doing that gets in your own way?
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Those are the five, Ben. Which one of those questions when we set them? Did you go off on a tangent thinking for yourself what your answer is? Which one shook you?
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One of these questions should change.
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I I the first question shook me in what areas in my life am I settling.
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That okay. So, okay. You guys are looking at I thought I thought maybe I'd get away with not actually giving you the answer because, like, that's, like, that's one that penetrates to your soul, but you both were just, like, you're gonna answer right now. And, like, for you, both of you talked about, like, health and fitness stuff. And
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one area in which I settle a lot in my life is, like,
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I get super concerned about
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environmental pollutants, especially like plastics and microplastics
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and like stuff like that. And I always feel like a psychopath when I talk about it because everyone else is like,
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oh, what, what, like, plastics.
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And
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I feel crazy because I'm like, no. Actually, like,
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This isn't a conspiracy theory. Like, the research is out there that, like, all these microplastics are, like, crashing our testosterone levels and, like, disrupting our endocrine systems and stuff. Like, I'm not crazy, but the fact that everyone else is, like,
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whatever makes me feel even crazier. And so a lot of That's a weird obsession. I just, like, settle, I compromise, and I'm, like, look at my baby, like, putting this plastic toy in her mouth and, like, a part of me dies. And I'm just, like,
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whatever. I I settle. I'm not gonna fight this fight right now. But it is something that, like Do you have plastic tupperware?
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We have plastic tupperware that I wish we would just, like, throw away. Such as doing. Dude, that is not at all where I thought you were going with that answer when you first said it because you were, like, so it was, like, weighing so heavy on your heart. And that's what it was. No matter to lock to me, Sean. Most fucking random answer.
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Are is is is is you?
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Is rubber is like, like, what do they call, like, a binky? What are the pacifier thing? The pacifier? What what is is that rubber? I don't even know what that is. Is that plastic?
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Yeah. So most of the time, no. They won't do plastic. Thick in pacifiers. So they'll either do silicone,
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which is better, or they'll do rubber. Yeah. Which is also better. And rubber is Silicon better. Okay. Right.
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Silicon, I, like, have my doubts about,
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but it does not have, like, the same proven track record of disrupting your endocrine systems the way plastics do. Do you do you reuse water bottles?
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No. In fact, I try not to use disposable water bottles because a lot of times they leach
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What do I go watch or read that's gonna scare the shit out of me about? There's a Joe rogan,
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episode that I'll link up in the show notes where he talks she's a Harvard researcher who,
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does a bunch of this stuff, and she's really good.
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And it will
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it will scare you a lot. Yeah. Dude, plastic's pretty bad. Then Like, I you don't know that, Sean? Do you you microwave plastic though too? Only on this podcast.
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Yeah. I've I microwave everything and I everything's in plastic in my house. So I'm like, oh, shit. Okay.
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So I've heard this, but I've, like, never
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I've never got shook yet where I'm, like, oh, take action in this.
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But that's that's why I asked. What do I need to go watch? That's gonna, like, trigger me where I'm gonna need to I need to be like, I I will go and, you know, make it, like, dramatic change in my I'll I'll link it up, but, like, the short of it is basically, like, our testosterone levels are decreasing at one percent per year. Fertility levels are just, like, crashing. And it's not just people who want to have children less. Like, people who are trying to have children are able to have them at much lower rates than in the past. To the point where it's, like, and our plastic use is increasing so much that they're, like, in fifty years, we're not sure that anyone is gonna be able to have,
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unassisted
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children anymore. But how do they know plastics cause that? Or, you know, versus just
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because they do studies of with rats.
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And, they're able to demonstrate it, the the
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correlation.
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Good answer. That was a very good answer. And,
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What do you what's what's an example of something you swap out? That's like a big culprit for plastic. Like, most people are doing this, but if you swap this, that's solves, like, you know, twenty percent of the battery. Well, so the biggest thing that she said was
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never heat plastic.
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That is, like, if you can do one thing, it's never heat up plastic. So, like, if you have a water bottle
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with water in it. Like, yes, that will leach some plastic into your system. It's not great. But if you leave it out in the sun, it heats up to a hundred degrees, you're gonna get like ten times as much plastic. So it's it's not eating things hot from plastic. But how do you reconcile that fact? With the fact that you smoke, you told me that you smoke a pack of cigarettes a day.
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Yeah.
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Noted chain smoker, Ben Wilson. That's what people know me for. How do you do both?
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Well, and How do you how could you have? How do you have twenty four new ports a day? You're gonna tell me not to microwave plastic.
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You know, it's just one of those mysteries, Sam. I don't know how to explain it. And how do you, could you test to see how much plastic it? That's a good question. I would love to do it if you can. I don't know you can. I got a new business that we're gonna talk about on Monday that's gonna address that, by the way.
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I was all prepared for today, really. Did you say it? Was it?
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It's called float.
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Did you see it in the doc? It's called float dot.
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What is it? What's the URL? Is it called float bin? Where's my fucking
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It's called,
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no. It's called Fount.
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Fount. Sorry. Fount dot bio. Fount.
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It's basically a five thousand dollars a month concierge service where they test your blood and tell you all about your body.
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It's very expensive, but sounds incredibly cool. For five thousand dollars a month, you're already touching my body.
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Well,
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we'll see. Maybe for five that maybe it'll make women to actually wanna your body. Maybe that's maybe that maybe we'll do one better.
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It's a we're gonna test it over here five grand a month. Why? Five grand a month. That's such an absurd number you're doing this? No. I'm not doing it, but I think it's close to beta.
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Five grand a month. When I do it, I would up for three months for sure. I think you could do it in three months in increments. I for fifteen thousand dollars, yeah, I would try that. Dude, I had a concierge doctor one time. For a year when I was really sick and it was twenty five grand for a year, and it was mostly amazing.
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Also, I understand why rich people and how rich people can get access to so many drugs because like if I wanted to, I could just like text the doctor and be like, Hey, can you refill this, the XanX for me? Or like, hey, I need some more Oxy. Like, it's like and you're paying them so much money that it seems like they're willing to do that. It it it is kinda crazy.
53:50
This took a turn. Hey. Can I do we have time? We're we're we're we're way over time. Do I have time to ask you guys one more question? As long as it's five minutes or less.
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I'm just curious about this. I don't know why I just I thought of this as we were asking the five questions.
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But
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if you were to, like, simulate your life,
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a thousand times.
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What do you think the ceiling is and what do you think the floor is? In other words, like, are there a few little things that if they've broken the wrong way? Like, Sampa is working at a McDonald's
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in Missouri right now, or, like, a few breaks,
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where if things had broken the wrong way, you would
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be, like,
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worth a hundred billion dollars, one of the richest men in the world. Like, what do you think your floor is, what do you think your ceiling is? And do you think you ended up about, what your average is? I think in my case, I could tell I think my floor is What's that? The ground rules. The ground rules are same genetics and same, like, fam not like, I'm born in a different country. Like Yep. Yeah. It's just like a few little random variables get changed. You make a few different decisions as you go through life, but same family, same situation, same person. I think I was not far from being like homeless alcoholic drug addict. Like, I think that was actually potentially in the cards.
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Or just like in jail because I would con people and steal. I think a lot of people honestly could say that though. Like if they like if they, like, got it, if you ever, like, do certain drugs, like, oh, man. Like, the it's actually I could see myself,
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living on the streets.
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The best of, like, the limit,
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I think, like, a really attainable thing is I could have not my company and I think it could have been worth hundreds of millions of dollars and I could have been worth many hundreds of millions of dollars by the time I was
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fifty.
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I think that could have done that. I think I could have pulled that off if I was willing to put it in put the work in. Yeah. But you you'll probably end up there now. Anyways, you're thirty now. That's twenty more years.
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Yeah. Given where you're at now, it's pretty likely that you end up over a hundred million dollars. It's very likely that I'll be worth twenty more years. It's almost guaranteed. W. Worth nine figures. It's almost certain. Yeah. So then, fuck it. I don't have a date for this. Exactly.
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It's like you you you got one of the good good roles of the dice.
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I don't think I mean, obviously, there's some scenarios where, yeah, I end up, you know, in jail, drug addict, whatever. But I don't think that's, like, the realistic floor for me. I think The realistic floor for me is
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was probably like,
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working at Twitch forever. You know, no, not even, like, you know, working
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working as a lab assistant at fucking, you know,
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you know,
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Greenville University's
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like biology department or some shit like that. Like, you know, basically some some job that was, like,
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I got on some track
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that didn't really have a merit based system. It was a time based system.
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So, like, you know, you basically just get rewarded for how long you've been in the game and not, like, how much impact you've been able to make And,
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and the and it might have been in a very kind of like, not a complete I I was very close to a complete non business field. Right? I was, like, about to go to med school. So, you know, I I was very likely gonna be in a different thing, but, like, even if I hadn't done the med school path, you know, just being
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engineer somewhere or being a,
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you know, project manager somewhere was extremely likely
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for me
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had, I just made one or two different decisions kind of at some point. The more interesting question is, like, how far off the peak Am I? And I think I'm pretty far off the peak, to be honest with you. And and in fact, you know, Ben, you were there when we had, David Freeberg on the on the podcast.
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And I told him, Sam, I was trying to butter him up. I was like, dude, so you've created
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not one, not two, but pretty much three three billion dollar companies.
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If, you know, he created climate, which is a billion dollar company, he created Metro mile, which is basically a billion dollar company, and he created the production board, it's a billion dollar company. And I said, you've done
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that and, you know, if I went back to you at age kind of eighteen, nineteen, twenty, or you're in college, and I told you, hey, man, this is how it all shakes out. You're gonna create three billion dollar companies, three separate billion dollar companies,
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in, like, the in this, like, in a space, science space.
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What would you have said? Would that have been unbelievable to you? Would you could you have believed that? He goes,
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honestly, I'd probably have been disappointed.
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I was like, what? Why?
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He because I think two things. Like, one is he wasn't really Like, money wasn't the, like, the driving force. And then the second piece is, like,
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I don't think he feels like he's had a big
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impact on the world yet.
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Like, a metro mile exists. And, okay, climate exists. But, like,
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you know, what he's trying to do now with, like, Hannah and other stuff like that is, like, he's, like, trying to find it, like, be, like, the the way we produce food is gonna change or, like, the way we produce pharmaceuticals is gonna change. Like, that's, like, now, the, like, the type of swing he goes for, which is, like, the world used to produce things in factories and farming and blah blah blah. And now we do it in a laboratory blah blah blah. Like, the he's trying to fundamentally change the means of production.
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And so I think that's what he meant. But,
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I was kinda blown away by that answer, and that's the type of thing. When I remember I said, like, You hang out with that x factor person who, like, just sort of, like, stuns you into a different, like, what I said,
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when do I realize I'm settling? When a guy who's created three billion dollar company says I probably would have been disappointed if I knew this was the, this was the outcome.
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It makes me think Wait. What is this guy even going? What is this guy scoreboard? If he doesn't think this is a win? And then what does that make me think about my scoreboard? How could I update my scoreboard? Not to match his, but to, like, let's let's definitely question it. Right? Like, let's let's not get the same as it's been for ten years.
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Is he a billionaire? Well, he's personally a billionaire. No.
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Probably But, like, three hundred million. In that ballpark?
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I I think he said on the podcast that he that he hasn't hit a billion. So
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I think close by only you said it. Yeah. Isn't that funny how you can achieve just at what most every single person on earth. We consider, like, the top of the top of the top of the top of the top. And you're like, That's funny. I remember once I googled
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my, my mentor and therapist, my my investor's net worth. And I remember being, like, And then I googled a whole bunch of celebrities. Like, so I think I think at that time, like, his his kind of, like, my ballpark approximate,
01:00:03
like, my triangulated net worth for them was, like, seven hundred eight hundred million. And then I googled, like, Britney Spears. It was, like, twenty five or fifty.
01:00:12
And then I was, like, great, Britney. I was, like, he's, like,
01:00:15
more than ten times rich with the Britney Spears. I was like, okay. Alex Rodriguez. I remember when he signed the biggest MLB contract ever. It was a ten year two hundred twenty five million dollar contract. Or two hundred fifty million dollar contract at that time. And I remember being like, oh my god. He's getting three he already has three times ARRots contract. And it just, like, I just googled every celebrity I could think of. My god. More than all of them.
01:00:37
Did you know that you're richer than Ryan Sheckler?
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I I think I literally said that. I was like, you're fifteen
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thousand German Duques.
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Dude, he's probably even richer than Denzel, Washington. This guy's amazing.
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That's what I'm saying. Oh, easily watch, you know, Denzel net worth.
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Yeah. I bet you Denzel's gonna be worth, like, a hundred at least, but in the game for a while.
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Pispo two eighty. He's a double denzel.
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You know, like, come on, man.
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That's awesome.
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Alright. I'm out.
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