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Sam, this podcast is not financial advice. But if I was gonna give anyone financial advice, I would have said rewind the clock to May first just a month ago.

Sam, this podcast is not financial advice. But if I was gonna give anyone financial advice, I would have said rewind the clock to May first just a month ago.

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And all you need to do if you ever wanna triple your money.

And all you need to do if you ever wanna triple your money.

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Forget Warren Buffett.

Forget Warren Buffett.

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Forget Bill Ackman.

Forget Bill Ackman.

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All you had to do was buy GameStop. Again,

All you had to do was buy GameStop. Again,

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again.

again.

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An amount rushmore of investing, there's Bill Ackman. There's Warren Buffett, these wise older men who, just exude confidence exude wisdom right next to them. Is deep fucking value.

An amount rushmore of investing, there's Bill Ackman. There's Warren Buffett, these wise older men who, just exude confidence exude wisdom right next to them. Is deep fucking value.

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That's the world we're living in right now. So

That's the world we're living in right now. So

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a lot has happened with this guy Let's tell a little bit of the background of who this person is and what happened. Alright. So it starts what year did this start in probably two thousand twenty. So, like, peak zero interest, COVID's happening. A lot of people are streaming online and saying their thoughts because they're working from home. There's this guy named Keith Gil. Keith Gil, I think he worked at, like,

a lot has happened with this guy Let's tell a little bit of the background of who this person is and what happened. Alright. So it starts what year did this start in probably two thousand twenty. So, like, peak zero interest, COVID's happening. A lot of people are streaming online and saying their thoughts because they're working from home. There's this guy named Keith Gil. Keith Gil, I think he worked at, like,

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mass mutual or, like, just some normal boring job, like, a hundred thousand dollar a year job. However, he loves sock investing. Like, he studies it and turns out he's a very charismatic guy, and he starts streaming some of his picks and why he likes certain companies, whatever.

mass mutual or, like, just some normal boring job, like, a hundred thousand dollar a year job. However, he loves sock investing. Like, he studies it and turns out he's a very charismatic guy, and he starts streaming some of his picks and why he likes certain companies, whatever.

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Now we all remember that in two thousand two thousand two thousand twenty two thousand twenty one, the stock market went crazy, and there was a subreddit called Wall Street Bets, and a lot of people had extra income because of whatever was happening, and they were betting crazy amounts of money on silly stocks. Well, this guy Keith Gil, he has a username on Reddit called deep fucking value, and then he has a YouTube page called Roring Kitty, And he starts explaining why he likes GameStop,

Now we all remember that in two thousand two thousand two thousand twenty two thousand twenty one, the stock market went crazy, and there was a subreddit called Wall Street Bets, and a lot of people had extra income because of whatever was happening, and they were betting crazy amounts of money on silly stocks. Well, this guy Keith Gil, he has a username on Reddit called deep fucking value, and then he has a YouTube page called Roring Kitty, And he starts explaining why he likes GameStop,

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and he invests roughly fifty six thousand dollars, which at the time, I think that was, like, all of his money. And he just goes on this this this kind of campaign explaining why he likes that stock. And it's kinda like an underdog story. It's this kinda nobody charismatic cool guy versus

and he invests roughly fifty six thousand dollars, which at the time, I think that was, like, all of his money. And he just goes on this this this kind of campaign explaining why he likes that stock. And it's kinda like an underdog story. It's this kinda nobody charismatic cool guy versus

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the large companies. And the reason he starts investing in to GameStop is these large companies, these large head funds, he finds out they're shorting the company. And he was like, I actually think they're wrong. I think this is great. And so it becomes a little bit of a

the large companies. And the reason he starts investing in to GameStop is these large companies, these large head funds, he finds out they're shorting the company. And he was like, I actually think they're wrong. I think this is great. And so it becomes a little bit of a

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Robinhood, David Goliath type of story, and all of Reddit, all of Twitter, gets behind Keith Gil, deep fucking value, roaring Kitty, and the stock goes crazy. He makes something like thirty million dollars off of his fifty thousand dollars investment. And he spends about

Robinhood, David Goliath type of story, and all of Reddit, all of Twitter, gets behind Keith Gil, deep fucking value, roaring Kitty, and the stock goes crazy. He makes something like thirty million dollars off of his fifty thousand dollars investment. And he spends about

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how long was that? Eighteen months, two years, like, with his campaign talking about it, but then He makes thirty million dollars, he goes silent. Nothing happens. There's a movie made about him with Seth Rogen. It was an awesome movie.

how long was that? Eighteen months, two years, like, with his campaign talking about it, but then He makes thirty million dollars, he goes silent. Nothing happens. There's a movie made about him with Seth Rogen. It was an awesome movie.

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But at the end of the movie, they go, we try to get Keith Field to comment on this movie and give us ins insight. He didn't say anything. He's been silent. We haven't heard from him.

But at the end of the movie, they go, we try to get Keith Field to comment on this movie and give us ins insight. He didn't say anything. He's been silent. We haven't heard from him.

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Until last month, it all changed. What happened? So

Until last month, it all changed. What happened? So

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great summary. Last month,

great summary. Last month,

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roaring Kitty as he's known. He's got a couple different names. Right? There's his Reddit username, but then roaring Kitty was kind of his, his streaming name.

roaring Kitty as he's known. He's got a couple different names. Right? There's his Reddit username, but then roaring Kitty was kind of his, his streaming name.

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And he comes back on Twitter, and he just posts a meme. And it's the meme of

And he comes back on Twitter, and he just posts a meme. And it's the meme of

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the guy, sitting in his chair, and then starts to lean forward. Like, he just became interested in the gamer lean. The gamer lean. The lean in. Many of you listen to podcasts right now might have the gamer lean going, and I hope you do. But but he posts that. Nobody knows what it means, cryptic,

the guy, sitting in his chair, and then starts to lean forward. Like, he just became interested in the gamer lean. The gamer lean. The lean in. Many of you listen to podcasts right now might have the gamer lean going, and I hope you do. But but he posts that. Nobody knows what it means, cryptic,

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And then he starts posting some more cryptic videos, little match yep.

And then he starts posting some more cryptic videos, little match yep.

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Thirty million views.

Thirty million views.

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Yeah. People are ready. And, and immediately, like, stock pops a little bit, but nobody knows what it means. And nobody knows really what happened to this guy. During that run, where he turned basically, like, fifty six thousand dollars into

Yeah. People are ready. And, and immediately, like, stock pops a little bit, but nobody knows what it means. And nobody knows really what happened to this guy. During that run, where he turned basically, like, fifty six thousand dollars into

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you know, tens of millions of dollars. He held the whole way. So what everybody thought was, great. The short squeeze is great. What happens when people start to take gains? This whole thing's gonna collapse. And sure enough, that is kind of what happened. It didn't stay at the peak. I think at the peak, it was, like, four hundred eighty dollars. And then it did start to come down. But he

you know, tens of millions of dollars. He held the whole way. So what everybody thought was, great. The short squeeze is great. What happens when people start to take gains? This whole thing's gonna collapse. And sure enough, that is kind of what happened. It didn't stay at the peak. I think at the peak, it was, like, four hundred eighty dollars. And then it did start to come down. But he

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had, as we say, in crypto, Diamond Hands, and he did not sell during that time, or nobody knew what he would he was doing during that time, but he had never there was no evidence of him selling. So

had, as we say, in crypto, Diamond Hands, and he did not sell during that time, or nobody knew what he would he was doing during that time, but he had never there was no evidence of him selling. So

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He comes back. He starts posting all these clips, and people start getting excited. And what's happened in the last,

He comes back. He starts posting all these clips, and people start getting excited. And what's happened in the last,

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you know, I don't know, month or so is the stock has tripled, and it's tripled in spite of Robinhood and others halting the stock again because, like, last night and after hours, it was up one hundred percent. Your money just doubled last night. If you, if you had bought yesterday,

you know, I don't know, month or so is the stock has tripled, and it's tripled in spite of Robinhood and others halting the stock again because, like, last night and after hours, it was up one hundred percent. Your money just doubled last night. If you, if you had bought yesterday,

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And then they had to hold the thing because it's, like, you know, pretty, like, abnormal behavior that's going on in the after hours trading. So the internet's going crazy. He then

And then they had to hold the thing because it's, like, you know, pretty, like, abnormal behavior that's going on in the after hours trading. So the internet's going crazy. He then

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goes and posts on Reddit.

goes and posts on Reddit.

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And he goes into a res subvert called SuperStunk. And so he goes into SuperStunk, and he says,

And he goes into a res subvert called SuperStunk. And so he goes into SuperStunk, and he says,

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Here's my Game stock, my GameStop Yolo update, and he posts the screenshot, and the screenshot essentially

Here's my Game stock, my GameStop Yolo update, and he posts the screenshot, and the screenshot essentially

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shows that he currently has between his equity and call options,

shows that he currently has between his equity and call options,

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two hundred and something million dollars worth of games top.

two hundred and something million dollars worth of games top.

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Which basically means that

Which basically means that

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And people aren't exactly sure when all this started, but there's a Twitter handle called unusual whales.

And people aren't exactly sure when all this started, but there's a Twitter handle called unusual whales.

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Unusual whales they is unusual whales dot com. I believe it's a, option buying platform.

Unusual whales they is unusual whales dot com. I believe it's a, option buying platform.

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And they noticed then he they they started reporting on this on their own platform. They said a few, a few weeks ago, they go, someone is buying two million a day. And they're a whale. What is going on? And they've been doing it for three weeks. And a call option, basically, and I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff, it basically just means they think the stock is gonna go up and they leverage their money to buy a ton of

And they noticed then he they they started reporting on this on their own platform. They said a few, a few weeks ago, they go, someone is buying two million a day. And they're a whale. What is going on? And they've been doing it for three weeks. And a call option, basically, and I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff, it basically just means they think the stock is gonna go up and they leverage their money to buy a ton of

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options to purchase a stock at a agreed upon price. I think his agreed upon price was twenty dollars.

options to purchase a stock at a agreed upon price. I think his agreed upon price was twenty dollars.

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He starts accumulating that share, that stake. No one knows who it is, and just last night, I think, or the night before, he revealed it was him. He's been doing this all along.

He starts accumulating that share, that stake. No one knows who it is, and just last night, I think, or the night before, he revealed it was him. He's been doing this all along.

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Yeah. It's insane. And,

Yeah. It's insane. And,

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and so, you know, currently right now today is up another twenty four percent. He's basically doing it again. And the the hedge funds, I believe, were shorting it again. So I'm not again. That's the part I'm not a hundred percent sure on is, like, initially,

and so, you know, currently right now today is up another twenty four percent. He's basically doing it again. And the the hedge funds, I believe, were shorting it again. So I'm not again. That's the part I'm not a hundred percent sure on is, like, initially,

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the

the

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appeal for doing this was,

appeal for doing this was,

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he would say, you know, I like the stock. I believe in the company.

he would say, you know, I like the stock. I believe in the company.

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He would say those things, but it was unclear how much of it was his belief in the company versus his belief that the hedge funds had shorted more than one hundred percent of the stock float. So it was, like, just massively massively shorted. And the way the shorting works is you're basically betting that the the stock is gonna go down. And so as the stock rises,

He would say those things, but it was unclear how much of it was his belief in the company versus his belief that the hedge funds had shorted more than one hundred percent of the stock float. So it was, like, just massively massively shorted. And the way the shorting works is you're basically betting that the the stock is gonna go down. And so as the stock rises,

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Your losses like, normally, let's say you bought buy a stock for a hundred dollars, the most you can lose is a hundred dollars. That's what you bought the stock for. That's all you have. If it goes to zero, you lost your hundred. When you short a stock, you can lose an infinite amount of money. And it's basically what happened to these hedge funds. They lost billions of dollars by shorting GameStop because when Keith, and then all the other people on Reddit started buying, it created a short squeeze, meaning the price was going up so much that they were getting called in and said, hey, you need to cover your position. You need to they need to now buy the stock at this elevated price in order to to cover their short. And so that put, you know, a couple of them almost out of business. One of I think one or two went out of business and another one had to get all out, basically. And there's a lot of accusation of collusion, meaning these big hedge funds colluded together.

Your losses like, normally, let's say you bought buy a stock for a hundred dollars, the most you can lose is a hundred dollars. That's what you bought the stock for. That's all you have. If it goes to zero, you lost your hundred. When you short a stock, you can lose an infinite amount of money. And it's basically what happened to these hedge funds. They lost billions of dollars by shorting GameStop because when Keith, and then all the other people on Reddit started buying, it created a short squeeze, meaning the price was going up so much that they were getting called in and said, hey, you need to cover your position. You need to they need to now buy the stock at this elevated price in order to to cover their short. And so that put, you know, a couple of them almost out of business. One of I think one or two went out of business and another one had to get all out, basically. And there's a lot of accusation of collusion, meaning these big hedge funds colluded together.

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Some of the hedge funds had stake in the company Robin Hood, and they called Robin Hood and said, hey, we need your help on this. You can't let these guys keep doing this stuff. And so it was a, a David versus Clyde situation of, like, can the little nobody retail investor somehow beat corporate America, beat the big billion dollar hedge funds. And And for the fund, by the way, I think it's totally true. I don't think this is a conspiracy theory. So I don't think they owned a stake in games. What I think was,

Some of the hedge funds had stake in the company Robin Hood, and they called Robin Hood and said, hey, we need your help on this. You can't let these guys keep doing this stuff. And so it was a, a David versus Clyde situation of, like, can the little nobody retail investor somehow beat corporate America, beat the big billion dollar hedge funds. And And for the fund, by the way, I think it's totally true. I don't think this is a conspiracy theory. So I don't think they owned a stake in games. What I think was,

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they were the market maker. Yeah. So they were one of the biggest market makers. And then You know, everybody said, no. We didn't call them and tell them to halt the stock. What they did was they halted buying, but they allowed selling, which is like,

they were the market maker. Yeah. So they were one of the biggest market makers. And then You know, everybody said, no. We didn't call them and tell them to halt the stock. What they did was they halted buying, but they allowed selling, which is like,

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you know, that's it's sort of the most f ed up thing you could do to a stock. And people lost, like, their life savings in this, and some people say, oh, they should have because they were just gambling.

you know, that's it's sort of the most f ed up thing you could do to a stock. And people lost, like, their life savings in this, and some people say, oh, they should have because they were just gambling.

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Okay. There is something that they call just gambling, but if casino rigs the dice. That's not cool. Right? And that's what appears to have happened here where if you shut down buying, but you allow selling for a period of time, you will relieve the pressure and the short squeeze, and the stock will start to fall, and then people start to sell because they think, oh, the game's up. And so I took all my money. I don't know about you. I took all my money Roberthood after that happened. I just fundamentally morally was against what had happened. I believe that the CEO lied,

Okay. There is something that they call just gambling, but if casino rigs the dice. That's not cool. Right? And that's what appears to have happened here where if you shut down buying, but you allow selling for a period of time, you will relieve the pressure and the short squeeze, and the stock will start to fall, and then people start to sell because they think, oh, the game's up. And so I took all my money. I don't know about you. I took all my money Roberthood after that happened. I just fundamentally morally was against what had happened. I believe that the CEO lied,

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and is continues to lie, basically, about what happened during during that period of time. I also took all my money off Robinhood. I didn't have a significant amount, but, like, Robinhood started as, like, the underdog story, and this is a a tails time, at least in Silicon Valley, which is, like, the underdog is, like, they're the coolest of the best. We're all behind them, and then they get big. And then all of a sudden, they are the man, and they start changing some of the things way they do things, and now I don't trust them. Right. But I I actually so I currently have two takes on this. Number one.

and is continues to lie, basically, about what happened during during that period of time. I also took all my money off Robinhood. I didn't have a significant amount, but, like, Robinhood started as, like, the underdog story, and this is a a tails time, at least in Silicon Valley, which is, like, the underdog is, like, they're the coolest of the best. We're all behind them, and then they get big. And then all of a sudden, they are the man, and they start changing some of the things way they do things, and now I don't trust them. Right. But I I actually so I currently have two takes on this. Number one.

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We talked about the creator economy. I think is mostly a lame thing to talk about. But, basically,

We talked about the creator economy. I think is mostly a lame thing to talk about. But, basically,

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the some of the cool stories are some of these creators like Logan Paul. They now have a billion dollar company with Prime.

the some of the cool stories are some of these creators like Logan Paul. They now have a billion dollar company with Prime.

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Roring kitty is the exact same thing, but instead of selling prime energy tricks or whatever, he's selling,

Roring kitty is the exact same thing, but instead of selling prime energy tricks or whatever, he's selling,

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not financial advice, but it's telling me. Oh my god. I'm so jealous. I didn't have this take. Holy shit. That might have been the most insightful thing you've said in months. This is his version of monetizing his audience, and it is beautiful. And here's why it's beautiful. Have you seen the movie?

not financial advice, but it's telling me. Oh my god. I'm so jealous. I didn't have this take. Holy shit. That might have been the most insightful thing you've said in months. This is his version of monetizing his audience, and it is beautiful. And here's why it's beautiful. Have you seen the movie?

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What's it called, dumb money? The it's with set on it. So they chose this actor to play Keith Gil, and I've seen a lot of Keith videos.

What's it called, dumb money? The it's with set on it. So they chose this actor to play Keith Gil, and I've seen a lot of Keith videos.

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He's so much more charismatic than the actor who played him. Right. If he would have been that actor, it would have been way better.

He's so much more charismatic than the actor who played him. Right. If he would have been that actor, it would have been way better.

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And so when you watch his videos, I think I wanna get behind you. He is so likable.

And so when you watch his videos, I think I wanna get behind you. He is so likable.

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And so he is monetizing his fame in such an interesting way. Alright. Look, the question that Sean and I get asked constantly is what skill set did we develop early on in our careers that kinda changed our business career, and that's an easy answer. It's copywriting. We've talked about copywriting and how it's changed our life constantly on this podcast. And we give a ton of tips, a ton of techniques, a ton of frameworks, and throughout all the podcast, well, we decided to aggregate all of that into one simple documents. So you can read all of it. You can see how we've learned copywriting, but you can see the resources that we turn to on a daily basis. You can see the frameworks, the techniques we use. It's in a simple document. You can check it out in the link below. Alright. Now back to the show. So let let me just let's just make that point again. So what you said is basically, we've seen all the creator brands You've seen feastables, you've seen prime, you've seen whatever. A thousand of these. He did it without having to sweat the actual business. He's like, oh, yeah. Cool. Like, How about instead of having to actually sell products and fulfill customer orders and do customer support and all that?

And so he is monetizing his fame in such an interesting way. Alright. Look, the question that Sean and I get asked constantly is what skill set did we develop early on in our careers that kinda changed our business career, and that's an easy answer. It's copywriting. We've talked about copywriting and how it's changed our life constantly on this podcast. And we give a ton of tips, a ton of techniques, a ton of frameworks, and throughout all the podcast, well, we decided to aggregate all of that into one simple documents. So you can read all of it. You can see how we've learned copywriting, but you can see the resources that we turn to on a daily basis. You can see the frameworks, the techniques we use. It's in a simple document. You can check it out in the link below. Alright. Now back to the show. So let let me just let's just make that point again. So what you said is basically, we've seen all the creator brands You've seen feastables, you've seen prime, you've seen whatever. A thousand of these. He did it without having to sweat the actual business. He's like, oh, yeah. Cool. Like, How about instead of having to actually sell products and fulfill customer orders and do customer support and all that?

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I'll just pick a stock. And make the stock go up. And the the product is you might make money on this stock. And not saying that he intentionally tried to do that or whatever, but, like, In a way, he did. Right? He was streaming himself, picking his dog, doing his analysis.

I'll just pick a stock. And make the stock go up. And the the product is you might make money on this stock. And not saying that he intentionally tried to do that or whatever, but, like, In a way, he did. Right? He was streaming himself, picking his dog, doing his analysis.

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And the one thing I will say, because I went and watched these videos is

And the one thing I will say, because I went and watched these videos is

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I expected it to be a lot more, like, pump and dumpy. Meaning, I expected it to be, like, either explicitly said or reading between the lines, like, Hey, guys. Let's just do this and make a buck.

I expected it to be a lot more, like, pump and dumpy. Meaning, I expected it to be, like, either explicitly said or reading between the lines, like, Hey, guys. Let's just do this and make a buck.

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And he really doesn't say that or do that in any of his, like, videos or his, his updates. And Maybe it's because he kind of had a job at a financial company and he knew not to to cross that line. I don't know. Maybe that's why. Maybe he genuinely

And he really doesn't say that or do that in any of his, like, videos or his, his updates. And Maybe it's because he kind of had a job at a financial company and he knew not to to cross that line. I don't know. Maybe that's why. Maybe he genuinely

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just liked the company and the stock and was like, yeah, I think there's value here,

just liked the company and the stock and was like, yeah, I think there's value here,

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and in some ways got lucky. He didn't mean to start a revolution. He just did. I'm not sure which one it is, but I am very impressed that I expected him to be a lot more,

and in some ways got lucky. He didn't mean to start a revolution. He just did. I'm not sure which one it is, but I am very impressed that I expected him to be a lot more,

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unrespectable.

unrespectable.

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But, actually, when I watched his videos on various content, I actually respected him I thought that he was not trying to, you know, a grifter trying to make a buck. He did not come off that way. In the movie,

But, actually, when I watched his videos on various content, I actually respected him I thought that he was not trying to, you know, a grifter trying to make a buck. He did not come off that way. In the movie,

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which I think was a hit, they made him come off that way. They can't they made him they made him and his wife come off as very romantic characters. They made the people who followed him. They, like, showed, like, a poor lady in the Bronx or something. She was like, I really believe in this guy. He's the best. We can't let the big guys win. And so you get behind it. It's easy to get behind. The second take that I have I think what he's doing is not illegal,

which I think was a hit, they made him come off that way. They can't they made him they made him and his wife come off as very romantic characters. They made the people who followed him. They, like, showed, like, a poor lady in the Bronx or something. She was like, I really believe in this guy. He's the best. We can't let the big guys win. And so you get behind it. It's easy to get behind. The second take that I have I think what he's doing is not illegal,

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but

but

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it might eventually become illegal. What what he is doing is absolutely So here's my opinion. We don't know what he has done between,

it might eventually become illegal. What what he is doing is absolutely So here's my opinion. We don't know what he has done between,

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basically, when he made his thirty million and up until three weeks ago. We don't know what what had happened.

basically, when he made his thirty million and up until three weeks ago. We don't know what what had happened.

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What I had what if I had to make a prediction,

What I had what if I had to make a prediction,

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I think he tweeted out this gamer leaning. So he tweeted out this gamer leaning,

I think he tweeted out this gamer leaning. So he tweeted out this gamer leaning,

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meme or whatever in the stock jumped. I think eighty percent that day, which is insane. So he was he ultimately, I think, game stop at the time was worth six billion, and then it was worth seven or eight. I I you gotta go look at those numbers, but he basically created something like a billion or at least hundreds of millions of dollars in value from a silly tweet. I think that there's a potential that, he was do he was, like, knew that him saying something online was gonna pop the stock and that he is profiting from that and then further after that bought the calls. You know what I mean? No. No. I I think it's the other way around. So I think that what would make sense is he buys the call first in this chip. And then he then he announces it. But his announcement, I mean, how are you gonna get it in trouble? Like, you know, I posted a meme of this guy leaning forward. What? It's definitely illegal. It's not illegal. It's not illegal. And he it's very wise. It's so other tweets that he posted are, the what did he post? The reverse Unokar? Just a picture of a of a reverse Unokar.

meme or whatever in the stock jumped. I think eighty percent that day, which is insane. So he was he ultimately, I think, game stop at the time was worth six billion, and then it was worth seven or eight. I I you gotta go look at those numbers, but he basically created something like a billion or at least hundreds of millions of dollars in value from a silly tweet. I think that there's a potential that, he was do he was, like, knew that him saying something online was gonna pop the stock and that he is profiting from that and then further after that bought the calls. You know what I mean? No. No. I I think it's the other way around. So I think that what would make sense is he buys the call first in this chip. And then he then he announces it. But his announcement, I mean, how are you gonna get it in trouble? Like, you know, I posted a meme of this guy leaning forward. What? It's definitely illegal. It's not illegal. It's not illegal. And he it's very wise. It's so other tweets that he posted are, the what did he post? The reverse Unokar? Just a picture of a of a reverse Unokar.

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Like, we're running it back.

Like, we're running it back.

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Yeah. And I think it's hilarious. I think it's hilarious that,

Yeah. And I think it's hilarious. I think it's hilarious that,

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Nikita or Fred said, if you've been toying away at your start up for the last decade. Just remember, a guy in his basement with a webcam and a headband just made close to a billion dollars in twelve hours. And I think that that's, pretty wild and potentially

Nikita or Fred said, if you've been toying away at your start up for the last decade. Just remember, a guy in his basement with a webcam and a headband just made close to a billion dollars in twelve hours. And I think that that's, pretty wild and potentially

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there there is gonna be some blowback,

there there is gonna be some blowback,

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critique Gil. But if you think about it,

critique Gil. But if you think about it,

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Bill Ackman announced, I think, last week, that he's considering taking his company, his hedge fund Perging Square public.

Bill Ackman announced, I think, last week, that he's considering taking his company, his hedge fund Perging Square public.

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And what Bill Ackman is doing is not terribly different than what Warren Buffett has done, what Howard Marks has done, what Well, what Manish, the guy we had, you had in a pod, what these guys have done, which is they built a brand for themselves. And when you build a brand for yourselves in the in the hedge fund or trading industry, It basically just means, whatever Warren does, I'm gonna follow because I trust him. And so it adds value to a company that is not necessarily in the fundamentals of the business. And that is exactly what's happening with roaring Kitty. And I find it fascinating. I don't know if I am good. I'm I'm behind it because I like him and I want him to win. But I do have to ask myself, is this actually, like, ethical and correct? It's borderline, I think.

And what Bill Ackman is doing is not terribly different than what Warren Buffett has done, what Howard Marks has done, what Well, what Manish, the guy we had, you had in a pod, what these guys have done, which is they built a brand for themselves. And when you build a brand for yourselves in the in the hedge fund or trading industry, It basically just means, whatever Warren does, I'm gonna follow because I trust him. And so it adds value to a company that is not necessarily in the fundamentals of the business. And that is exactly what's happening with roaring Kitty. And I find it fascinating. I don't know if I am good. I'm I'm behind it because I like him and I want him to win. But I do have to ask myself, is this actually, like, ethical and correct? It's borderline, I think.

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So here's a couple of interesting bits. So gamestop stock currently twenty eight dollars as of recording this.

So here's a couple of interesting bits. So gamestop stock currently twenty eight dollars as of recording this.

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If the stock hits seventy dollars a share, he is a billionaire.

If the stock hits seventy dollars a share, he is a billionaire.

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It's sane, which is just kind of incredible.

It's sane, which is just kind of incredible.

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It's sane.

It's sane.

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The

The

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second thing that's really interesting here is

second thing that's really interesting here is

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Some open questions that I have. And

Some open questions that I have. And

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I think if it's not obvious by now, we're noobs when it comes to this. We are not stock traders We are not options traders. This is not the world we live in. We are both Minsam. We are startup guys. We build businesses. We start companies that are tech companies.

I think if it's not obvious by now, we're noobs when it comes to this. We are not stock traders We are not options traders. This is not the world we live in. We are both Minsam. We are startup guys. We build businesses. We start companies that are tech companies.

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Our this is not our game. But I do have some very simple questions as a beginner here, which is

Our this is not our game. But I do have some very simple questions as a beginner here, which is

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if he's buying, basically, on average, I think, two, two and a half million dollars worth of options per day, for the last, like, you know, eleven days or something like that. Where'd the money come from? Where'd the money come from? This is a guy who didn't have money. He made a bunch of money in GameStop. How did he have

if he's buying, basically, on average, I think, two, two and a half million dollars worth of options per day, for the last, like, you know, eleven days or something like that. Where'd the money come from? Where'd the money come from? This is a guy who didn't have money. He made a bunch of money in GameStop. How did he have

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the ability to buy, like, sixty million dollars worth of these calls. He bought six That's my point. I think there's more behind the scenes. He owns five million dollars of five million shares of GameStop, which is worth a hundred and fifteen million, and then he has sixty five million dollars worth of call options. So there's some theories on this. So that's the the first question is how did you do this? And the theories are basically

the ability to buy, like, sixty million dollars worth of these calls. He bought six That's my point. I think there's more behind the scenes. He owns five million dollars of five million shares of GameStop, which is worth a hundred and fifteen million, and then he has sixty five million dollars worth of call options. So there's some theories on this. So that's the the first question is how did you do this? And the theories are basically

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I I don't know if this is true, but here's here's a theory that, this guy, Jonathan Upton, posted on He's he goes, I'm trying to figure out how Roan Kitty ended up with a hundred eighty million plus what's now two hundred ten million dollars of GameStop. Here's my best guess. In late April, early May, he sold most of his equity and loaded up on calls. Then he came back to social media, posted the meme, and it went up three hundred percent in, like, you know, three days. If he sold his calls near the top, That would give him cash back. He, which he would then go back to buy equity, and then he decided to do this game again recently. And he's basically using this scheme of, like, sell equity, buy calls, sell calls at the top. Now you have a lot calls are basically like a leverage way to buy. Take that leverage leverage gains that you have. Now buy equity again. And, you know, rinse and repeat, basically. So he's like, this is insane. I've never seen anything like this before.

I I don't know if this is true, but here's here's a theory that, this guy, Jonathan Upton, posted on He's he goes, I'm trying to figure out how Roan Kitty ended up with a hundred eighty million plus what's now two hundred ten million dollars of GameStop. Here's my best guess. In late April, early May, he sold most of his equity and loaded up on calls. Then he came back to social media, posted the meme, and it went up three hundred percent in, like, you know, three days. If he sold his calls near the top, That would give him cash back. He, which he would then go back to buy equity, and then he decided to do this game again recently. And he's basically using this scheme of, like, sell equity, buy calls, sell calls at the top. Now you have a lot calls are basically like a leverage way to buy. Take that leverage leverage gains that you have. Now buy equity again. And, you know, rinse and repeat, basically. So he's like, this is insane. I've never seen anything like this before.

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His his Twitter page, instead of the word post, it should just say a dollar sign. That's his ATM. Every time he clicks that button, he's like, that's how much power this guy has, and it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Everything about him needs to he needs a rebrand. Roring kitty is now, like, the fierce lion. Like, he's no kitty. This guy is is just legendary. I mean, the tweets about this are are also just hilarious. Someone to Boyle. We can put these up. Telling my daughter that this was Warren Buffett. It's just a kid picture of him wearing his purple, like, cat shirt is at home.

His his Twitter page, instead of the word post, it should just say a dollar sign. That's his ATM. Every time he clicks that button, he's like, that's how much power this guy has, and it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Everything about him needs to he needs a rebrand. Roring kitty is now, like, the fierce lion. Like, he's no kitty. This guy is is just legendary. I mean, the tweets about this are are also just hilarious. Someone to Boyle. We can put these up. Telling my daughter that this was Warren Buffett. It's just a kid picture of him wearing his purple, like, cat shirt is at home.

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Trung, your boy Trung, posted,

Trung, your boy Trung, posted,

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Here's Ron and Kitty and his hundred and eighty million dollar game stop position rolling up to the stock market tomorrow, and it's the wheelbarrow with, like, the guy from south park with giant balls in the wheelbarrow.

Here's Ron and Kitty and his hundred and eighty million dollar game stop position rolling up to the stock market tomorrow, and it's the wheelbarrow with, like, the guy from south park with giant balls in the wheelbarrow.

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He's got I mean, these are it's really really pretty crazy. Another one, quiver Conitative is saying, depending on how GameStop moves more, his his net worth is about to pass. The other great stock trader in history, Nancy Pelosi. She's currently at two hundred forty five million estimated. He's at two hundred ten, and and they said two legendary investors at the top of their game.

He's got I mean, these are it's really really pretty crazy. Another one, quiver Conitative is saying, depending on how GameStop moves more, his his net worth is about to pass. The other great stock trader in history, Nancy Pelosi. She's currently at two hundred forty five million estimated. He's at two hundred ten, and and they said two legendary investors at the top of their game.

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It's great. It's great. This is a a very captivating story. Well, there's a there's the obvious question, which is what do you do about this? So during the first GameStop run up, I went through, like, whatever the, you know, the seven stages of grief. It's like the seven stages of FOMO, which was,

It's great. It's great. This is a a very captivating story. Well, there's a there's the obvious question, which is what do you do about this? So during the first GameStop run up, I went through, like, whatever the, you know, the seven stages of grief. It's like the seven stages of FOMO, which was,

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first, I ignored it. They're relevant to me. Who cares?

first, I ignored it. They're relevant to me. Who cares?

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Then

Then

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I became dismissive.

I became dismissive.

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And I said, why are you guys wasting your time on this? This is stupid. This is not, like, games stop really. There's no, like, you're gonna lose your money.

And I said, why are you guys wasting your time on this? This is stupid. This is not, like, games stop really. There's no, like, you're gonna lose your money.

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Then I became jealous as all my friends made money doing this and all those random strangers on the internet who were doing the dumb thing, we're making the money. And then I went to,

Then I became jealous as all my friends made money doing this and all those random strangers on the internet who were doing the dumb thing, we're making the money. And then I went to,

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chasing FOMO,

chasing FOMO,

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and I bought a hundred thousand dollars worth of GameStop during that last great. No way. Did you really? I think I made, like, I don't know what I made. I made, like, fifty grand or something like that off of a fifty percent. I sold, and I got out.

and I bought a hundred thousand dollars worth of GameStop during that last great. No way. Did you really? I think I made, like, I don't know what I made. I made, like, fifty grand or something like that off of a fifty percent. I sold, and I got out.

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And then I became confused, and then I went back to ignoring it again. And that was my cycle.

And then I became confused, and then I went back to ignoring it again. And that was my cycle.

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And so the question is, what am I gonna do during this cycle? I already have ignored the first lean in meme. Saw that, ignored it. Didn't even know what to do with it.

And so the question is, what am I gonna do during this cycle? I already have ignored the first lean in meme. Saw that, ignored it. Didn't even know what to do with it.

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Didn't pay attention to the, the next two tweets either.

Didn't pay attention to the, the next two tweets either.

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I should be entering jealousy currently. I'd all I need is a few text messages.

I should be entering jealousy currently. I'd all I need is a few text messages.

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I'll enter jealousy. Then I'll chase.

I'll enter jealousy. Then I'll chase.

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Then I'll, you know, I'll I'll read the consequences of that. We'll see what happens.

Then I'll, you know, I'll I'll read the consequences of that. We'll see what happens.

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I think you should do nothing. I will do nothing. That's the that's the honest opinion. I think that that is a answer Even making money last time, it didn't feel good. It was,

I think you should do nothing. I will do nothing. That's the that's the honest opinion. I think that that is a answer Even making money last time, it didn't feel good. It was,

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have you ever read the Annie Duke's book where it talks about this term resulting No. It's like, she's a poker player and it's, you know, it's the idea of you, you pay a you play a bad hand at poker, but you got lucky, you know, on the river you've got your card. And Is your conclusion from that? I'm a genius, and this was a good play. And, like, for a lot of people, unfortunately, that is how they

have you ever read the Annie Duke's book where it talks about this term resulting No. It's like, she's a poker player and it's, you know, it's the idea of you, you pay a you play a bad hand at poker, but you got lucky, you know, on the river you've got your card. And Is your conclusion from that? I'm a genius, and this was a good play. And, like, for a lot of people, unfortunately, that is how they

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they result. If if something goes badly, they assume is a bad decision. If something goes goes well, they assume it was a good decision. When actually, like, the decision and the result are in many ways disconnected, and you should be able to analyze a decision without,

they result. If if something goes badly, they assume is a bad decision. If something goes goes well, they assume it was a good decision. When actually, like, the decision and the result are in many ways disconnected, and you should be able to analyze a decision without,

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without only basing it on, own without only basing it on the result. And so Similarly, even though I made money last time, I think that would be resulting to say that was a good idea. In fact, all I did was probably waste three days of my attention focused on this random stock that who gives a shit. So there's one person

without only basing it on, own without only basing it on the result. And so Similarly, even though I made money last time, I think that would be resulting to say that was a good idea. In fact, all I did was probably waste three days of my attention focused on this random stock that who gives a shit. So there's one person

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in this story that's not being discussed right now.

in this story that's not being discussed right now.

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And I think that over the next handful of months, he's gonna be a lot more famous. And so that's Ryan Cohen.

And I think that over the next handful of months, he's gonna be a lot more famous. And so that's Ryan Cohen.

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So Ryan Cohen,

So Ryan Cohen,

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he is most famous for starting chewy dot com. Chewy dot com was a a pet food company my co founder, Joe, my business partner, Joe, also owned a pet food company first, and then chewy dot com came about. And chewy dot com's their whole thing was we're gonna raise hundreds of millions of dollars, and we're gonna spend like crazy on marketing. We're gonna lose money on our customers

he is most famous for starting chewy dot com. Chewy dot com was a a pet food company my co founder, Joe, my business partner, Joe, also owned a pet food company first, and then chewy dot com came about. And chewy dot com's their whole thing was we're gonna raise hundreds of millions of dollars, and we're gonna spend like crazy on marketing. We're gonna lose money on our customers

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for a long time, and we're gonna provide such a wonderful experience that, hopefully,

for a long time, and we're gonna provide such a wonderful experience that, hopefully,

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They come back for us and they like us so much, whatever.

They come back for us and they like us so much, whatever.

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He was right. Ryan Cohen was right. Chewy dot com worked. My friend or my partner Joe's company went out of business. And it became a huge success. He sold it for three and a half billion dollars. Well, when he made his money, I think he made roughly five hundred million dollars he put virtually one hundred percent of it into two stocks.

He was right. Ryan Cohen was right. Chewy dot com worked. My friend or my partner Joe's company went out of business. And it became a huge success. He sold it for three and a half billion dollars. Well, when he made his money, I think he made roughly five hundred million dollars he put virtually one hundred percent of it into two stocks.

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Apple and Wells Fargo, and there was this big article written in the Wall Street Journal about him, and that's when we started learning Ryan Cohen and his kind of,

Apple and Wells Fargo, and there was this big article written in the Wall Street Journal about him, and that's when we started learning Ryan Cohen and his kind of,

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he's different. Not he's he's he's different, not even amongst, like, the average person because he started and sold the company for that much money. He's different even amongst crazy people who are talented enough to do that. David Goggins, he's uncommon amongst uncommon men. Yeah. And so he starts becoming an activist investor where he starts

he's different. Not he's he's he's different, not even amongst, like, the average person because he started and sold the company for that much money. He's different even amongst crazy people who are talented enough to do that. David Goggins, he's uncommon amongst uncommon men. Yeah. And so he starts becoming an activist investor where he starts

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buying

buying

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takes and companies that he thinks aren't doing going so well. So hope Well, let's do the numbers. He put two hundred fifty million into Apple in twenty seventeen. That stake is now worth over a billion. I don't know what happened with the Wells Fargo one, but he put seventy six million

takes and companies that he thinks aren't doing going so well. So hope Well, let's do the numbers. He put two hundred fifty million into Apple in twenty seventeen. That stake is now worth over a billion. I don't know what happened with the Wells Fargo one, but he put seventy six million

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into,

into,

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GameStop

GameStop

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back when it was, like, four, five dollars a share. So he owns thirteen percent of the company.

back when it was, like, four, five dollars a share. So he owns thirteen percent of the company.

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Ten percent, ten and a half percent out now. He's also the CEO now.

Ten percent, ten and a half percent out now. He's also the CEO now.

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So he's he's been in he's actually running the company now. That's bought himself a job. It's working, and he did the same with Bed beyond, which was, for a minute, another meme stock, but he would buy. I believe if you buy a larger than a five percent stake in a publicly traded company, you have to,

So he's he's been in he's actually running the company now. That's bought himself a job. It's working, and he did the same with Bed beyond, which was, for a minute, another meme stock, but he would buy. I believe if you buy a larger than a five percent stake in a publicly traded company, you have to,

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reveal. You have to disclose it. And so he's done that a few times, and he's become an activist investor where if he buys five percent of your company, that means something is going wrong as in management is screwing up, but the company has potential.

reveal. You have to disclose it. And so he's done that a few times, and he's become an activist investor where if he buys five percent of your company, that means something is going wrong as in management is screwing up, but the company has potential.

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And then Wall Street Bets and the rest of these REITs crazy DJen retail investors see it, and they buy the company. Anyway, Ryan Cohen has been present for all of this. Ryan Cohen is only thirty seven or thirty eight years old. He's a young guy, and he is still, as of right now, I believe he's still the CEO of Gamestock.

And then Wall Street Bets and the rest of these REITs crazy DJen retail investors see it, and they buy the company. Anyway, Ryan Cohen has been present for all of this. Ryan Cohen is only thirty seven or thirty eight years old. He's a young guy, and he is still, as of right now, I believe he's still the CEO of Gamestock.

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And so, GameStop. And I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen with him over the next handful of months. And I would love to get him on the podcast because I think he is a guy who is not just interesting for his chewy business, but I think that he's a guy who,

And so, GameStop. And I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen with him over the next handful of months. And I would love to get him on the podcast because I think he is a guy who is not just interesting for his chewy business, but I think that he's a guy who,

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thinks very, very differently and has very strong will And, we're gonna see a lot from him over the next handful of months, I think. He only follows one person on Twitter. Who? Unfortunately, it's not Rory and Kitty. It's just the GameStop corporate account. Is it really? Really should follow

thinks very, very differently and has very strong will And, we're gonna see a lot from him over the next handful of months, I think. He only follows one person on Twitter. Who? Unfortunately, it's not Rory and Kitty. It's just the GameStop corporate account. Is it really? Really should follow

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is Rory and Kitty. He should either swap it or or go to two followers on Twitter. Right? That's my only criticism of you. Otherwise, I have no notes.

is Rory and Kitty. He should either swap it or or go to two followers on Twitter. Right? That's my only criticism of you. Otherwise, I have no notes.

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Yeah. So it's just a crazy story. Well, where where is this guy now? Where is Keith Gil? In the movie, he was, in Massachusetts.

Yeah. So it's just a crazy story. Well, where where is this guy now? Where is Keith Gil? In the movie, he was, in Massachusetts.

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And what what do you know about Massachusetts in the wintertime? It's the worst. Right? Cold. Bitter.

And what what do you know about Massachusetts in the wintertime? It's the worst. Right? Cold. Bitter.

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Cole, horrible.

Cole, horrible.

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He disappeared for the last two or three years.

He disappeared for the last two or three years.

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Massachusetts in the wintertime, very uninspiring. This guy just made a huge bet. He needed some inspiration. Do you think he would be going now? He should voyage around.

Massachusetts in the wintertime, very uninspiring. This guy just made a huge bet. He needed some inspiration. Do you think he would be going now? He should voyage around.

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Voyage not is not quite the right word. He should

Voyage not is not quite the right word. He should

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scamper around. No. No. No. No. That's not it. That's not the right word. What do you think? I think he should wander around. I think he should wander around. And that's today's sponsor, wander dot com. That was a that was a good plug. Well, what is wander what is wander dot com? So wander's the dope business. Me and you both invest in this because we are big believers in this. But,

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We both like to travel, but when we travel, it's, like, you got a couple options. Normal, the normal options were hotel, you go to a hotel, and you're like, okay. I'm staying in this kind of, like, I get all the luxury amenities. I get the service, but I'm in this tiny box.

We both like to travel, but when we travel, it's, like, you got a couple options. Normal, the normal options were hotel, you go to a hotel, and you're like, okay. I'm staying in this kind of, like, I get all the luxury amenities. I get the service, but I'm in this tiny box.

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Or you go do a vacation rental, maybe on a Schmidt BNB or something like that. And you,

Or you go do a vacation rental, maybe on a Schmidt BNB or something like that. And you,

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you might get a bigger space. You might get more rooms. It feels like a home, but now you don't have the service, and it's a it's like a box of chocolates. It's like Very hit or miss. What you're gonna get? I was an Airbnb host, and I could tell you my internet was definitely the cheapest internet that money could buy, and it was not very good.

you might get a bigger space. You might get more rooms. It feels like a home, but now you don't have the service, and it's a it's like a box of chocolates. It's like Very hit or miss. What you're gonna get? I was an Airbnb host, and I could tell you my internet was definitely the cheapest internet that money could buy, and it was not very good.

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Sam,

Sam,

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stunning views

stunning views

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where his, like, plants right outside the windowsill.

where his, like, plants right outside the windowsill.

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Yes. It it wasn't great. So, Wander basically operates a bunch of really fancy, luxurious,

Yes. It it wasn't great. So, Wander basically operates a bunch of really fancy, luxurious,

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properties that you could stay in. They built it. So it's kinda geared for, like, the remote workers, but also high end shit. So

properties that you could stay in. They built it. So it's kinda geared for, like, the remote workers, but also high end shit. So

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every or most of their properties have, gyms. They've got work, work desk set up. So Yeah. Check this out. So looking at a a trip right now that I was gonna take with my family because,

every or most of their properties have, gyms. They've got work, work desk set up. So Yeah. Check this out. So looking at a a trip right now that I was gonna take with my family because,

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I wanna, you know, get out of the house a little bit. And I was, like, originally planning for a hotel, but a hotel

I wanna, you know, get out of the house a little bit. And I was, like, originally planning for a hotel, but a hotel

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Now I now have three kids, three three kids that are under the age of, you know, five.

Now I now have three kids, three three kids that are under the age of, you know, five.

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And, a hotel room now is actually Guantanamo Bay. If you put all five of us in a room,

And, a hotel room now is actually Guantanamo Bay. If you put all five of us in a room,

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we just put the do not disturb thing up there out of shame. We're like, don't come in here. You don't wanna know what's going on in this room. This room is, like, yeah, being disturbed.

we just put the do not disturb thing up there out of shame. We're like, don't come in here. You don't wanna know what's going on in this room. This room is, like, yeah, being disturbed.

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Yeah. You know, it's Guantanamo Bay Bay Bay in there. So so that's not working.

Yeah. You know, it's Guantanamo Bay Bay Bay in there. So so that's not working.

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But I would still wanna be able to get shit done. So, like, check this place out. I'm showing you this one that's at Bandon Beach. So Wanda has this location. Look how sick this is.

But I would still wanna be able to get shit done. So, like, check this place out. I'm showing you this one that's at Bandon Beach. So Wanda has this location. Look how sick this is.

25:30

So all of their places are like this. They're like

So all of their places are like this. They're like

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just like pure. And, like, it looks like it's straight off of Pinterest or Instagram. It's like It looks like a desktop set, like, a screen reader. Look at just like the work setup, the work desk setup at this place. It's, like, You have the standing desk, big monitor, Apple keyboard. They got, like, we have fast internet for real. And, like, we have a razor mouse for you. They have everything. It's like, here's where you could do the podcast. Here's the gym, here's the views, here's the beds, and this one has a sauna too. They have, like, twenty four seven, like, concierge have, like, a cleaning service. They have everything versus, you know, you have to do it all yourself here. It's like, you wanna stay in a home, but it shouldn't feel like

just like pure. And, like, it looks like it's straight off of Pinterest or Instagram. It's like It looks like a desktop set, like, a screen reader. Look at just like the work setup, the work desk setup at this place. It's, like, You have the standing desk, big monitor, Apple keyboard. They got, like, we have fast internet for real. And, like, we have a razor mouse for you. They have everything. It's like, here's where you could do the podcast. Here's the gym, here's the views, here's the beds, and this one has a sauna too. They have, like, twenty four seven, like, concierge have, like, a cleaning service. They have everything versus, you know, you have to do it all yourself here. It's like, you wanna stay in a home, but it shouldn't feel like

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homey,

homey,

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right, in the same way that, like, you don't want your meat to be gamey. Alright? It's like, you I kinda do, like, the luxury shit, and, that's why I like wander. So if you're looking to travel,

right, in the same way that, like, you don't want your meat to be gamey. Alright? It's like, you I kinda do, like, the luxury shit, and, that's why I like wander. So if you're looking to travel,

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check them out wander dot com. They have amazing properties. I think two, like, two hundred now. These guys are growing really fast. So they grew to, like, two hundred locations in, like, eighteen months or something insane.

check them out wander dot com. They have amazing properties. I think two, like, two hundred now. These guys are growing really fast. So they grew to, like, two hundred locations in, like, eighteen months or something insane.

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Well, that's the plug. That was a great plug. Yeah. If we don't say so ourselves. Yeah. That was a great plug. Wanda dot com. Check it out. Sean, you've been gone for three and a half or four three and a half weeks now. How you been? Two. But who's counting?

Well, that's the plug. That was a great plug. Yeah. If we don't say so ourselves. Yeah. That was a great plug. Wanda dot com. Check it out. Sean, you've been gone for three and a half or four three and a half weeks now. How you been? Two. But who's counting?

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I'm good. Paternity leave is

I'm good. Paternity leave is

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harder than working for sure. So, like, couldn't wait to be done with it.

harder than working for sure. So, like, couldn't wait to be done with it.

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I

I

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I have realized a few things about myself. One thing I've realized is

I have realized a few things about myself. One thing I've realized is

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I love being an uncle, and I love being a fun dad.

I love being an uncle, and I love being a fun dad.

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But to be the primary caretaker of kids is so hard.

But to be the primary caretaker of kids is so hard.

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And,

And,

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whoever, like, you know, whoever created this myth of, like, You stay at home with the kids, and I'm gonna go do the work.

whoever, like, you know, whoever created this myth of, like, You stay at home with the kids, and I'm gonna go do the work.

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The greatest marketer of all time, that is that is a great reframe of what's actually going on. It is so much work to be at home with kids, but it's great. Everybody's healthy, everybody's happy, so I'm feeling good. Did you do any work over the last,

The greatest marketer of all time, that is that is a great reframe of what's actually going on. It is so much work to be at home with kids, but it's great. Everybody's healthy, everybody's happy, so I'm feeling good. Did you do any work over the last,

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since your kid was born?

since your kid was born?

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Not really. No. Just a few, few voice notes here and there. Did you enjoy that?

Not really. No. Just a few, few voice notes here and there. Did you enjoy that?

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No. Like I told you, I am, Again, like, I did other work. It's just work that's, like, you know, more like changing diapers and, like, you know, cleaning up spit up. But did you enjoy, like, lack of screen

No. Like I told you, I am, Again, like, I did other work. It's just work that's, like, you know, more like changing diapers and, like, you know, cleaning up spit up. But did you enjoy, like, lack of screen

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or lack of thinking about,

or lack of thinking about,

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like, business. Yeah. So one thing I did do is I shifted to,

like, business. Yeah. So one thing I did do is I shifted to,

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doing a lot more creative stuff. So I, so I read a lot more, which I normally don't read because I

doing a lot more creative stuff. So I, so I read a lot more, which I normally don't read because I

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feel pretty unproductive if in the middle of the day. I'm just like, yeah. I'm gonna just take couple hours and just curl up on this couch and read a book.

feel pretty unproductive if in the middle of the day. I'm just like, yeah. I'm gonna just take couple hours and just curl up on this couch and read a book.

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That seems completely,

That seems completely,

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unproductive. Even though for my my job, my life, it actually could be that actually can be really productive for what I do. But I've I just have a guilt when I do that. So in this, I had no guilt. I, like What is your record? Playing the piano again, which was, like, just like a fun thing I could do with my kids. So I'm playing the piano. I'm swimming with my kids all the time. I'm, you know, reading books, I started,

unproductive. Even though for my my job, my life, it actually could be that actually can be really productive for what I do. But I've I just have a guilt when I do that. So in this, I had no guilt. I, like What is your record? Playing the piano again, which was, like, just like a fun thing I could do with my kids. So I'm playing the piano. I'm swimming with my kids all the time. I'm, you know, reading books, I started,

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working on some, like, comedy stuff that I'd always wanted to do, like, just dabbling and like, oh, how would I do I went and saw a stand up show. I went and saw a play. Like, the stuff I wasn't doing before, that was very much more in a, like,

working on some, like, comedy stuff that I'd always wanted to do, like, just dabbling and like, oh, how would I do I went and saw a stand up show. I went and saw a play. Like, the stuff I wasn't doing before, that was very much more in a, like,

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art creativity

art creativity

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mindset versus productivity. Did you go by yourself?

mindset versus productivity. Did you go by yourself?

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No. No. I took my mom to the comedy show. And I,

No. No. I took my mom to the comedy show. And I,

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went to the play with some friends. The the the play is actually pretty interesting. Have you seen or heard about the Lehman Brothers play?

went to the play with some friends. The the the play is actually pretty interesting. Have you seen or heard about the Lehman Brothers play?

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I saw you share it. Yeah. I think that made sounded awesome. I've never heard of it other than your share. So

I saw you share it. Yeah. I think that made sounded awesome. I've never heard of it other than your share. So

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I feel I wish there was more of these This is really cool. So there's a Broadway play that's basically the Lehman Brothers story. And what I thought it is, and I thought it's gonna be the o eight crash. I thought it's gonna be the big short, but as a play. And I was like, oh, great. Make sure it has a play. I'm in. But that's not at all what it is. It's basically the story of the Limbros. It ends, like,

I feel I wish there was more of these This is really cool. So there's a Broadway play that's basically the Lehman Brothers story. And what I thought it is, and I thought it's gonna be the o eight crash. I thought it's gonna be the big short, but as a play. And I was like, oh, great. Make sure it has a play. I'm in. But that's not at all what it is. It's basically the story of the Limbros. It ends, like,

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It's the the play ends the first day of the of the crash. Like, it doesn't even show the crash. It's like you implied. You already know what happens with the crash. It's the hundreds of years before that of how Lehman Brothers even became to be one of the four biggest, like, investment banks

It's the the play ends the first day of the of the crash. Like, it doesn't even show the crash. It's like you implied. You already know what happens with the crash. It's the hundreds of years before that of how Lehman Brothers even became to be one of the four biggest, like, investment banks

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in the country.

in the country.

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And

And

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It's a pretty wild play because there's only three actors in the entire play.

It's a pretty wild play because there's only three actors in the entire play.

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It's three and a half hours long.

It's three and a half hours long.

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Which is way too long, to be honest.

Which is way too long, to be honest.

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But these actors are super talented. They basically carry this thing for three and a half hours, and it's also pretty fascinating because I did not know this history. And it's kinda like reading a biography, but as a play.

But these actors are super talented. They basically carry this thing for three and a half hours, and it's also pretty fascinating because I did not know this history. And it's kinda like reading a biography, but as a play.

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And when I watched it, I was pretty inspired. I was like, I wish there was more business entertainment like this. Like, I am really into things like this. I could if I was this interested in the Lehman Brothers story, which I was not curious about before,

And when I watched it, I was pretty inspired. I was like, I wish there was more business entertainment like this. Like, I am really into things like this. I could if I was this interested in the Lehman Brothers story, which I was not curious about before,

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I feel like there could be a hundred times more content like this, and I'm kind of inspired to try to get a face. I think that would be the greatest pivot ever. Not quite pivot. I think you should one hundred percent.

I feel like there could be a hundred times more content like this, and I'm kind of inspired to try to get a face. I think that would be the greatest pivot ever. Not quite pivot. I think you should one hundred percent.

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Explore this. I think that would be awesome.

Explore this. I think that would be awesome.

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Yeah. I am I am blurring this, not only as a play. I'm not sure if it plays the exact form factor, but something more in this style of content,

Yeah. I am I am blurring this, not only as a play. I'm not sure if it plays the exact form factor, but something more in this style of content,

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not tweet newsletter podcast YouTube. I think Oh, no. Tweet newsletter podcast YouTube, and I'm just, like, I feel lame doing it. Whereas if I did something like this, like, a Grand Creative Act, I think it would be a lot more fulfilling, a lot higher risk too. What's the play called?

not tweet newsletter podcast YouTube. I think Oh, no. Tweet newsletter podcast YouTube, and I'm just, like, I feel lame doing it. Whereas if I did something like this, like, a Grand Creative Act, I think it would be a lot more fulfilling, a lot higher risk too. What's the play called?

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The Leh Brothers trilogy, I think. And who wrote it? And, like, did you research,

The Leh Brothers trilogy, I think. And who wrote it? And, like, did you research,

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Yeah. I started looking into them, and I started trying to figure out, like, how successful is this thing. And I started doing the thing. Right? I'm counting the seats, like, during,

Yeah. I started looking into them, and I started trying to figure out, like, how successful is this thing. And I started doing the thing. Right? I'm counting the seats, like, during,

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you know,

you know,

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one of the two intermissions of the of the play because it's three and a half hours long. They have two intermissions. I'm trying to figure out, like, how successful is this thing and how long has it been running and all that stuff. And what's the background? I'm looking at I'm trying to look it up now. There's not it's not too not many people have written about it. I think it, like, started in London, and then then it's kinda, like, fanned out from there. So this was opening night in the, San Francisco location that I went to. And to be honest, there was a lot of empty seats, but I also didn't understand because when I went to buy tickets, there was, like, no tickets available. So I think either they screwed up their ticketing system or I don't know why half the seats were empty. But yeah. Anyways, the point is I think there should be more like this, and I kinda wanna create it. I'm also slightly intimidated because I'm, like, I really have no idea where I would start. Never done anything like this.

one of the two intermissions of the of the play because it's three and a half hours long. They have two intermissions. I'm trying to figure out, like, how successful is this thing and how long has it been running and all that stuff. And what's the background? I'm looking at I'm trying to look it up now. There's not it's not too not many people have written about it. I think it, like, started in London, and then then it's kinda, like, fanned out from there. So this was opening night in the, San Francisco location that I went to. And to be honest, there was a lot of empty seats, but I also didn't understand because when I went to buy tickets, there was, like, no tickets available. So I think either they screwed up their ticketing system or I don't know why half the seats were empty. But yeah. Anyways, the point is I think there should be more like this, and I kinda wanna create it. I'm also slightly intimidated because I'm, like, I really have no idea where I would start. Never done anything like this.

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And so, which is a good feeling to be in because I know the answer is, well, you just start putting one foot in front of the other. And, like, today, it's it's the Moiz quote that I've shared a hundred times on this podcast, which is today, I know nothing about deodorant.

And so, which is a good feeling to be in because I know the answer is, well, you just start putting one foot in front of the other. And, like, today, it's it's the Moiz quote that I've shared a hundred times on this podcast, which is today, I know nothing about deodorant.

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But in six months, I'll know everything there is to know about deodorant, and that's how I would have to approach this, because I know nothing about this. Have you ever heard the story Slvester Salone and Rocky. He was a nobody, and he wanted to make this movie, and he wrote the screenplay. No. No. The the story is even better than that. He did not wanna write a movie. He wanted to be an actor. That's right. And he goes to auditions, and he keeps getting turned down, and they're like because, I mean, if you hear Sylvester still on talk, like his voice is, like, his his mouth moves in a weird way, his voice is sort of strange. So he just kept getting nose.

But in six months, I'll know everything there is to know about deodorant, and that's how I would have to approach this, because I know nothing about this. Have you ever heard the story Slvester Salone and Rocky. He was a nobody, and he wanted to make this movie, and he wrote the screenplay. No. No. The the story is even better than that. He did not wanna write a movie. He wanted to be an actor. That's right. And he goes to auditions, and he keeps getting turned down, and they're like because, I mean, if you hear Sylvester still on talk, like his voice is, like, his his mouth moves in a weird way, his voice is sort of strange. So he just kept getting nose.

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And

And

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instead of just taking the no and just saying, well, I guess I'm just not cut out for this. He's like, if they won't put me in a movie, I'll put me in a movie,

instead of just taking the no and just saying, well, I guess I'm just not cut out for this. He's like, if they won't put me in a movie, I'll put me in a movie,

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which is one of the greatest,

which is one of the greatest,

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like, big dog moves anybody could ever have. Right? Like, what's the opposite of no small boy stuff is to say if they won't cast me, I'll cast myself. And he hates writing So he's he's never written a movie before, and he actually hates writing. He's not good at it. But he,

like, big dog moves anybody could ever have. Right? Like, what's the opposite of no small boy stuff is to say if they won't cast me, I'll cast myself. And he hates writing So he's he's never written a movie before, and he actually hates writing. He's not good at it. But he,

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the the best part of the story is that he just ratchets up the intensity to level twelve. So he's he decides, I don't know how to do this. So I'll just

the the best part of the story is that he just ratchets up the intensity to level twelve. So he's he decides, I don't know how to do this. So I'll just

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Why don't I just not come out of this house until I've written this the play or the the the the sorry, the screenplay.

Why don't I just not come out of this house until I've written this the play or the the the the sorry, the screenplay.

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And so he He wakes up, he's like, I'm gonna start writing. I'm not gonna do anything else. I will not leave this house until this is done. That's the only way I know I could force myself to get through the thing I don't like to do with just writing. How long did it take him? And he he goes even further. He paints the windows black.

And so he He wakes up, he's like, I'm gonna start writing. I'm not gonna do anything else. I will not leave this house until this is done. That's the only way I know I could force myself to get through the thing I don't like to do with just writing. How long did it take him? And he he goes even further. He paints the windows black.

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He's like, not only will I not leave my house. I didn't wanna be able to look out the window. So he literally painted as windows black. And so this has become a phrase that I use with Ben a lot, which is, yo, let's paint the windows black on this, which is How do you have a a phrase for what it means to turn the intensity knob up all the way where it breaks? And you're just holding the knob and now the intensity's stuck at level twelve. And that's painting the windows black. And so then in three days, he wrote the the v one of the script of Rocky.

He's like, not only will I not leave my house. I didn't wanna be able to look out the window. So he literally painted as windows black. And so this has become a phrase that I use with Ben a lot, which is, yo, let's paint the windows black on this, which is How do you have a a phrase for what it means to turn the intensity knob up all the way where it breaks? And you're just holding the knob and now the intensity's stuck at level twelve. And that's painting the windows black. And so then in three days, he wrote the the v one of the script of Rocky.

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He then

He then

33:41

then it's even better. The story is actually, I don't know all the details. I but the here's, like, the the rough version of the story. I I apologize if I get something wrong.

then it's even better. The story is actually, I don't know all the details. I but the here's, like, the the rough version of the story. I I apologize if I get something wrong.

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He

He

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goes to to sell to to, like, get the movie made now. And, actually, they like it. They're like, we like this.

goes to to sell to to, like, get the movie made now. And, actually, they like it. They're like, we like this.

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And he's like, awesome. And I'm Rocky. They're like,

And he's like, awesome. And I'm Rocky. They're like,

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not that part. We like it. We are not Rocky. And they're like, What? He's like, no. I'm Rocky. That's why I wrote this thing. And I think they were like, you know, you could do this other role. He's like, no way. Give me my script back. And they're like, look, click. We'll give you two hundred thousand dollars. They they offered up three hundred grand, which is the equivalent of a million bucks today. And he said he goes, I had a hundred and six dollars in my bank account. In the bank account. He turns it down.

not that part. We like it. We are not Rocky. And they're like, What? He's like, no. I'm Rocky. That's why I wrote this thing. And I think they were like, you know, you could do this other role. He's like, no way. Give me my script back. And they're like, look, click. We'll give you two hundred thousand dollars. They they offered up three hundred grand, which is the equivalent of a million bucks today. And he said he goes, I had a hundred and six dollars in my bank account. In the bank account. He turns it down.

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Things are pretty rough. He ends up selling his dog.

Things are pretty rough. He ends up selling his dog.

34:28

To, like, make ends meet. What's his dick? What? He's dick. He sells the stuff, but I think he also couldn't, like, afford to feed the dog also because he could couldn't really afford to feed himself either. So he sells his dog. Were you gonna sell your kid? Hundreds of bucks.

To, like, make ends meet. What's his dick? What? He's dick. He sells the stuff, but I think he also couldn't, like, afford to feed the dog also because he could couldn't really afford to feed himself either. So he sells his dog. Were you gonna sell your kid? Hundreds of bucks.

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He then goes

He then goes

34:42

and he finally get he finally, I think, a sales ethic for twenty five grand or something, like, way less than what he was gonna get, and he gets to be Rocky.

and he finally get he finally, I think, a sales ethic for twenty five grand or something, like, way less than what he was gonna get, and he gets to be Rocky.

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After Rocky comes out and it's a success, he goes back buys the dog back for thirty five grand.

After Rocky comes out and it's a success, he goes back buys the dog back for thirty five grand.

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Because the guy was like, no. I like this dog. And he's just, like, makes him an offer. He can't refuse it. I could give you thirty five thousand dollars for this dog back. And that is the story of Rocky, which is insane because the story of Rocky of how he got made is more inspiring.

Because the guy was like, no. I like this dog. And he's just, like, makes him an offer. He can't refuse it. I could give you thirty five thousand dollars for this dog back. And that is the story of Rocky, which is insane because the story of Rocky of how he got made is more inspiring.

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Than the actual story of Rocky in the movie. And he wins an Oscar that year. Maybe that's my first play. It's the story of Sebastian Salone riding Rocky. That's a great idea. And he goes to the Oscars. They win the Oscars and he goes ten months ago, I was a valet driver. I was parking cars. I'm here at the Oscars today. This is a great story. This is your story. To the half a million people that are gonna listen to this, do not steal my goddamn idea.

Than the actual story of Rocky in the movie. And he wins an Oscar that year. Maybe that's my first play. It's the story of Sebastian Salone riding Rocky. That's a great idea. And he goes to the Oscars. They win the Oscars and he goes ten months ago, I was a valet driver. I was parking cars. I'm here at the Oscars today. This is a great story. This is your story. To the half a million people that are gonna listen to this, do not steal my goddamn idea.

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We're leaving this in. Don't steal my idea. That's actually the beauty of this. No one's gonna steal my idea because who the hell is gonna go try to make a play?

We're leaving this in. Don't steal my idea. That's actually the beauty of this. No one's gonna steal my idea because who the hell is gonna go try to make a play?

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You turned me on to this guy on Twitter. I don't know. I think his name is Zach Prad.

You turned me on to this guy on Twitter. I don't know. I think his name is Zach Prad.

35:47

So Zach is this guy who's, like, he's, like, a two hundred ten pound beefcake. He's a big guy, which means, like, if you look like a donkey, you're not exactly gonna think, like, guy's gonna be a good long distance runner, but turns out he likes running. And he's running the marathon now under three hours, which is, like, really fast, particularly for someone who's that huge And he's got this whole shtick called the Year of obsession.

So Zach is this guy who's, like, he's, like, a two hundred ten pound beefcake. He's a big guy, which means, like, if you look like a donkey, you're not exactly gonna think, like, guy's gonna be a good long distance runner, but turns out he likes running. And he's running the marathon now under three hours, which is, like, really fast, particularly for someone who's that huge And he's got this whole shtick called the Year of obsession.

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And the all he does is tweet out. He goes, he goes, if, like, if I could, I would just run and lift weights twenty four hours a day. I'm so sad. I have to sleep. Like, he tweets like crazy things out like that. And it is a little cringe.

And the all he does is tweet out. He goes, he goes, if, like, if I could, I would just run and lift weights twenty four hours a day. I'm so sad. I have to sleep. Like, he tweets like crazy things out like that. And it is a little cringe.

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But I think it's more inspiring, to be honest, than it is cringe. I actually think it's quite awesome. I do think that crazy people like that are are are pretty cool.

But I think it's more inspiring, to be honest, than it is cringe. I actually think it's quite awesome. I do think that crazy people like that are are are pretty cool.

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But he,

But he,

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that's what your life needs to be over the next year, the year of obsession. Paint the windows black, baby. And his whole thing is he does a running club in New York City every Monday at seven AM, all these people, meet and go for runs with them. And he goes, here's the rules. You gotta be at this place at seven AM. We're gonna run this many miles, and then we're gonna sprint afterwards, and you must wear black. And so his whole thing is everyone who's following him or who's, like, into this, they put, like, a little black emoji next to their name. I think it's awesome. That's what that's what you need to do. You already wear the black t shirts. Now you gotta paint the windows black, and you're gonna write the Sylvester Salone story.

that's what your life needs to be over the next year, the year of obsession. Paint the windows black, baby. And his whole thing is he does a running club in New York City every Monday at seven AM, all these people, meet and go for runs with them. And he goes, here's the rules. You gotta be at this place at seven AM. We're gonna run this many miles, and then we're gonna sprint afterwards, and you must wear black. And so his whole thing is everyone who's following him or who's, like, into this, they put, like, a little black emoji next to their name. I think it's awesome. That's what that's what you need to do. You already wear the black t shirts. Now you gotta paint the windows black, and you're gonna write the Sylvester Salone story.

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Yeah. That's what we By the way, you said this thing run club. What's the deal with run clubs? I feel like I'm getting my sign filled on. What's the deal with run clubs nowadays?

Yeah. That's what we By the way, you said this thing run club. What's the deal with run clubs? I feel like I'm getting my sign filled on. What's the deal with run clubs nowadays?

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This is, I saw this TikTok that really spoke to it. This guy posts,

This is, I saw this TikTok that really spoke to it. This guy posts,

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and he goes,

and he goes,

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was there, like, a thing? Like, did I miss something maybe? You know, the pandemic was pretty, yeah, a pretty crazy time. I was inside for a lot. Like,

was there, like, a thing? Like, did I miss something maybe? You know, the pandemic was pretty, yeah, a pretty crazy time. I was inside for a lot. Like,

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Did something happen where everybody started running? He's like, everybody I know

Did something happen where everybody started running? He's like, everybody I know

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runs now.

runs now.

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And that cool. Running's good. But where why did everybody decide to start running? And, like, why are the run run clubs are like an insane thing now?

And that cool. Running's good. But where why did everybody decide to start running? And, like, why are the run run clubs are like an insane thing now?

37:37

Have you been paying attention to this? Yeah. I have. And I I'll explain to you what I think happened. So, basically, there's this guy, Nick Bear. We had Nick Bear on the podcast. I don't think you've ever made it with Nick. Have you? I mean, once I did one with him. Yeah. But then I tried to leave, you know, it's kinda like when your roommate hangs a sock on the door, I was like, okay. Let me leave Sam alone with a beef thing. Like, you guys can You guys could admire each other's nipples for the next hour and a half. That's cool. I'll I'll just take the take the pot off. Nick Bear is a beefcake amongst beefcakes. Nick Bear is,

Have you been paying attention to this? Yeah. I have. And I I'll explain to you what I think happened. So, basically, there's this guy, Nick Bear. We had Nick Bear on the podcast. I don't think you've ever made it with Nick. Have you? I mean, once I did one with him. Yeah. But then I tried to leave, you know, it's kinda like when your roommate hangs a sock on the door, I was like, okay. Let me leave Sam alone with a beef thing. Like, you guys can You guys could admire each other's nipples for the next hour and a half. That's cool. I'll I'll just take the take the pot off. Nick Bear is a beefcake amongst beefcakes. Nick Bear is,

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he looks like a he looks like if you, like, if the wag you version of the obsession guy. Yeah. If you were to, like, take a Greek statue and put it into a a white guy who's rated in the Midwest, that it would look like Nick Bear. So Nick Bear is this,

he looks like a he looks like if you, like, if the wag you version of the obsession guy. Yeah. If you were to, like, take a Greek statue and put it into a a white guy who's rated in the Midwest, that it would look like Nick Bear. So Nick Bear is this,

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he owns bear nutrition. It's a it's a supple a company, but he has this shtick called the hybrid athlete, and the hybrid athlete basically means, someone who likes to lift weights and run. He's typically runners,

he owns bear nutrition. It's a it's a supple a company, but he has this shtick called the hybrid athlete, and the hybrid athlete basically means, someone who likes to lift weights and run. He's typically runners,

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look like, not great. They look very skinny. You could be skinny fat and a great runner. His whole deal was like, I'm gonna lift weights while I run. He's been doing this for many, many, many years this point, he's got one or two million followers on YouTube. And I think he helped populate this thing. And so now a lot of these young men,

look like, not great. They look very skinny. You could be skinny fat and a great runner. His whole deal was like, I'm gonna lift weights while I run. He's been doing this for many, many, many years this point, he's got one or two million followers on YouTube. And I think he helped populate this thing. And so now a lot of these young men,

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who like to live weights they're saying, I actually wanna go running as well. And so they've made it popular to go running, and it's also a very social thing. So in Austin,

who like to live weights they're saying, I actually wanna go running as well. And so they've made it popular to go running, and it's also a very social thing. So in Austin,

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run clubs have been getting very, very And so on the trail that I will go and walk on or ride my bike or run, you see tons of groups of runners, and it's very popular and you're starting at c pop up in other cities. In fact, the woman who runs, my little project Sam's list, she used to work for a company that was trying to make money on run run clubs. I think that's a stupid idea because I think it's incredibly challenging to make money off that, but it's a cool idea that they exist. Cool guys start running, right, influencers. So have you seen this one in Austin called the raw dog run club? No. That sounds awesome. The branding is

run clubs have been getting very, very And so on the trail that I will go and walk on or ride my bike or run, you see tons of groups of runners, and it's very popular and you're starting at c pop up in other cities. In fact, the woman who runs, my little project Sam's list, she used to work for a company that was trying to make money on run run clubs. I think that's a stupid idea because I think it's incredibly challenging to make money off that, but it's a cool idea that they exist. Cool guys start running, right, influencers. So have you seen this one in Austin called the raw dog run club? No. That sounds awesome. The branding is

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it's a run club.

it's a run club.

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Beautifully done. The branding is amazing.

Beautifully done. The branding is amazing.

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So go to Instagram, dot com slash raw dog, d a w

So go to Instagram, dot com slash raw dog, d a w

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g, Here's the profile.

g, Here's the profile.

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Rawdog, Austin, Texas, sexy faces, and sexy paces.

Rawdog, Austin, Texas, sexy faces, and sexy paces.

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Saturdays at eight AM, location posted weekly open all just show up. I've seen this guy. Yeah. Look at the photos. The photos of this,

Saturdays at eight AM, location posted weekly open all just show up. I've seen this guy. Yeah. Look at the photos. The photos of this,

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it's Coachella.

it's Coachella.

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It's La Palusa.

It's La Palusa.

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It's every festival you've ever seen, but they're just running instead of, you know, drinking and listening to music. They made it really fun. They made it sexy I I love the branding of this. This is kinda like the pink's window washing,

It's every festival you've ever seen, but they're just running instead of, you know, drinking and listening to music. They made it really fun. They made it sexy I I love the branding of this. This is kinda like the pink's window washing,

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like, branding level thing. I've never done this, and I would never do this because I hate running, but I really respect the way these guys are building the community and the brand around this. If you wanna go down a kind of interesting branding and community rabbit hole, study these guys. I think they're doing a lot of things right. Go look at their TikToks, go look at their Instagram, go look at their website, go look at everything that they're doing, And I think that they are doing a lot of things well. I also think that if I'm one of these influencers like a Cody Co or whoever,

like, branding level thing. I've never done this, and I would never do this because I hate running, but I really respect the way these guys are building the community and the brand around this. If you wanna go down a kind of interesting branding and community rabbit hole, study these guys. I think they're doing a lot of things right. Go look at their TikToks, go look at their Instagram, go look at their website, go look at everything that they're doing, And I think that they are doing a lot of things well. I also think that if I'm one of these influencers like a Cody Co or whoever,

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I would one hundred percent lean into making a national

I would one hundred percent lean into making a national

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like, run club where, you know, the way we're doing our MFM meetups, which, like, to be honest, we didn't do anything. So we should take zero credit for this. The way that the community started self organizing MFM meetups so that a bunch of, like, like minded dreamers and schemers get together in some city and they hang out get to learn about each other's businesses, and it has nothing to do with us, but, like, we were the we were the reason that they got together, that they found each other. But then from there on, they had their own little community, which is great.

like, run club where, you know, the way we're doing our MFM meetups, which, like, to be honest, we didn't do anything. So we should take zero credit for this. The way that the community started self organizing MFM meetups so that a bunch of, like, like minded dreamers and schemers get together in some city and they hang out get to learn about each other's businesses, and it has nothing to do with us, but, like, we were the we were the reason that they got together, that they found each other. But then from there on, they had their own little community, which is great.

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And by the way, she's shadow. I don't know what what's the euro for that? It's like get river dot com or something.

And by the way, she's shadow. I don't know what what's the euro for that? It's like get river dot com or something.

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I don't know. If you wanna go to a meetup, you should do it. I think that is one of, not get river dot com for sure. That is

I don't know. If you wanna go to a meetup, you should do it. I think that is one of, not get river dot com for sure. That is

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something else altogether.

something else altogether.

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What is that? It's called, get river dot I o. Think I just opened up, like, only fans, basically.

What is that? It's called, get river dot I o. Think I just opened up, like, only fans, basically.

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So, It's get river dot I o. And then if you go to the the website, you'll see, I think we're on the front page. So you'll see August first. There's meetups in San Francisco, Bay Area, wherever. Right? So the getting people together in real life for real life experience,

So, It's get river dot I o. And then if you go to the the website, you'll see, I think we're on the front page. So you'll see August first. There's meetups in San Francisco, Bay Area, wherever. Right? So the getting people together in real life for real life experience,

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off of your online community, even though you're not there as the creator, I think is a really smart move for whoever does that. And whoever, like, you know, if I'm Nick or if I'm Cody, if I'm one of these guys, I'm gonna lean into that because it deepens people's kind of connection relationship with you and it creates this kind of grassroots movement.

off of your online community, even though you're not there as the creator, I think is a really smart move for whoever does that. And whoever, like, you know, if I'm Nick or if I'm Cody, if I'm one of these guys, I'm gonna lean into that because it deepens people's kind of connection relationship with you and it creates this kind of grassroots movement.

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And if you end up, you and you could end up building a business around that. Right? Because you could

And if you end up, you and you could end up building a business around that. Right? Because you could

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sell, you know,

sell, you know,

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those products that people have. What what are those things? Like, goo

those products that people have. What what are those things? Like, goo

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and, like,

and, like,

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What else? Like,

What else? Like,

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all the runner products. Right?

all the runner products. Right?

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The electrolyte drinks. By the way, so the club that you're referring to raw dog They're based at Austin. The guy who started it is they're all young kids. So he looks like they're twenty three, twenty four, twenty five. He actually works for Nick Bear.

The electrolyte drinks. By the way, so the club that you're referring to raw dog They're based at Austin. The guy who started it is they're all young kids. So he looks like they're twenty three, twenty four, twenty five. He actually works for Nick Bear.

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And so and he's a former professional body builder.

And so and he's a former professional body builder.

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And so the it is sort of rooted in that in in this, like,

And so the it is sort of rooted in that in in this, like,

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twenty people who have kinda started this thing. There's another good example. So we talked to Jesse Itzler. He didn't tell us too much information, but do you know this thing called Jesse Itzler started a company this other guy. And the other guy recently joined Hampton, and that's how I got to talk to him.

twenty people who have kinda started this thing. There's another good example. So we talked to Jesse Itzler. He didn't tell us too much information, but do you know this thing called Jesse Itzler started a company this other guy. And the other guy recently joined Hampton, and that's how I got to talk to him.

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It's the the name of the business is the height of Mount Evers. So it's twenty nine twenty nine thousand twenty nine. I don't know if you pronounce two nine zero two nine. I don't know how you exactly pronounce it, but it's a they do eight figures a year in revenue. And what they do is they have got these events all over the country, and they pick a really tall hill or mountain, and you climb up that short mountain as many times as it takes to equal Mount Evers. And so it's, like, the whole schtick is, like, you can climb out Everest or at least the height without actually having to go,

It's the the name of the business is the height of Mount Evers. So it's twenty nine twenty nine thousand twenty nine. I don't know if you pronounce two nine zero two nine. I don't know how you exactly pronounce it, but it's a they do eight figures a year in revenue. And what they do is they have got these events all over the country, and they pick a really tall hill or mountain, and you climb up that short mountain as many times as it takes to equal Mount Evers. And so it's, like, the whole schtick is, like, you can climb out Everest or at least the height without actually having to go,

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to Asia and do that. And

to Asia and do that. And

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it's a great company.

it's a great company.

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These guys do really well, and they have I think they have hundreds for sure dozens of events throughout the year. And it's one of the, events that I've seen that's killed it. And I've always been interested in these racing events. And so, like, for example, Ironman, right before COVID happened, Ironman was, was acquired by a Chinese

These guys do really well, and they have I think they have hundreds for sure dozens of events throughout the year. And it's one of the, events that I've seen that's killed it. And I've always been interested in these racing events. And so, like, for example, Ironman, right before COVID happened, Ironman was, was acquired by a Chinese

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billionaire, and they've tried to make make it significantly larger.

billionaire, and they've tried to make make it significantly larger.

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And I think they've done a good job of the of that. And so some of these events are really fascinating. Have you heard of this other one called the,

And I think they've done a good job of the of that. And so some of these events are really fascinating. Have you heard of this other one called the,

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I think it's called the Country Marathon?

I think it's called the Country Marathon?

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Have you ever no. We're just sorry. Maybe it's called the rock and roll marathon. But, anyway, what it was is in Nashville, they had this where for twenty six miles, every mile they had a band play And so it was called, like, is it called, like, the rock and roll rock and rock and roll running series? I see. Yeah. And I believe that business was acquired for nine figures.

Have you ever no. We're just sorry. Maybe it's called the rock and roll marathon. But, anyway, what it was is in Nashville, they had this where for twenty six miles, every mile they had a band play And so it was called, like, is it called, like, the rock and roll rock and rock and roll running series? I see. Yeah. And I believe that business was acquired for nine figures.

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And it started as a kind of small niche thing where they had music every

And it started as a kind of small niche thing where they had music every

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uh-uh every mile. And so there are actually some of these really interesting

uh-uh every mile. And so there are actually some of these really interesting

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of endurance events businesses where they just have one huge stick on it, and that makes it kinda cool. There's another one called the speed project. Have you seen the speed project? So the speed project They don't listen to this. The speed project doesn't have a website. You can find it on Instagram,

of endurance events businesses where they just have one huge stick on it, and that makes it kinda cool. There's another one called the speed project. Have you seen the speed project? So the speed project They don't listen to this. The speed project doesn't have a website. You can find it on Instagram,

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but it's, invite only. And so the race has, I think, only one rule. Or two rules. The race has two rules. They start at the Santa Monica pier, and you,

but it's, invite only. And so the race has, I think, only one rule. Or two rules. The race has two rules. They start at the Santa Monica pier, and you,

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either you by yourself or you with a four person crew have to make it to Las Vegas. And the rules are basically, you can go there any way you want, but you have to be running so you can't get in the car. You have to run the whole time And number two, you just gotta get there. And so you could take any route. There's and and there's no website other than you have to be invited to do it. They don't really, really announce when it's gonna happen. And it's gone by whenever it happens every year, it kinda goes viral. Where you see, like, a handful of influencers who you like. They're like, what is the speed project? Why are they there? Right. It's super fascinating.

either you by yourself or you with a four person crew have to make it to Las Vegas. And the rules are basically, you can go there any way you want, but you have to be running so you can't get in the car. You have to run the whole time And number two, you just gotta get there. And so you could take any route. There's and and there's no website other than you have to be invited to do it. They don't really, really announce when it's gonna happen. And it's gone by whenever it happens every year, it kinda goes viral. Where you see, like, a handful of influencers who you like. They're like, what is the speed project? Why are they there? Right. It's super fascinating.

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My friend did it. And got second.

My friend did it. And got second.

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I have two things to say about this. Number one,

I have two things to say about this. Number one,

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if you're the type of person that likes to do these and you're, like, world class at organizing these, hit me up. Sean at john furrier dot com. I have a a small Google Doc of ideas that I thought would make for a really awesome event that would be like just fun and awesome if it existed, but I I will never do the work myself of organizing these. The second thing

if you're the type of person that likes to do these and you're, like, world class at organizing these, hit me up. Sean at john furrier dot com. I have a a small Google Doc of ideas that I thought would make for a really awesome event that would be like just fun and awesome if it existed, but I I will never do the work myself of organizing these. The second thing

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is

is

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What is the pickleball of running?

What is the pickleball of running?

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I'll let you do on that. So what I mean by that is pickleball

I'll let you do on that. So what I mean by that is pickleball

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took tennis,

took tennis,

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made it faster,

made it faster,

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cheaper, smaller, more accessible to all ages and all sizes of people. Right?

cheaper, smaller, more accessible to all ages and all sizes of people. Right?

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What who's gonna do that for running? So who can make running less of a marathon or an Ironman? Like,

What who's gonna do that for running? So who can make running less of a marathon or an Ironman? Like,

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literally the other direction. Who's gonna shrink it into, like, it might just be sprints. Like, maybe the sprint thing is more like pickleball. I was a I was a sprinter in college. There's no sprint events for grown men. And sprinting is way better for you anyway. Camstering insurance is needed for sure. If you're gonna put adults in, like, hey, just come out and come out here and sprint. But I do think that there's gotta be something like this. Or I we made this joke on the on the pod where I was at a dinner and this guy goes, yeah. I

literally the other direction. Who's gonna shrink it into, like, it might just be sprints. Like, maybe the sprint thing is more like pickleball. I was a I was a sprinter in college. There's no sprint events for grown men. And sprinting is way better for you anyway. Camstering insurance is needed for sure. If you're gonna put adults in, like, hey, just come out and come out here and sprint. But I do think that there's gotta be something like this. Or I we made this joke on the on the pod where I was at a dinner and this guy goes, yeah. I

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He goes, we he goes, yeah. Every Saturday morning, we walk the trail. We walk a mile. We'd, to our favorite, like, kind of brunch spot. We drink a beer. And then we play pickleball for an hour or something like that. He's, like, I call it the, like, the suburban, the suburban, Ironman,

He goes, we he goes, yeah. Every Saturday morning, we walk the trail. We walk a mile. We'd, to our favorite, like, kind of brunch spot. We drink a beer. And then we play pickleball for an hour or something like that. He's, like, I call it the, like, the suburban, the suburban, Ironman,

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and I was, like, holy shit. He's got something here with this branding of, like, the bourbon, like, the the suburban,

and I was, like, holy shit. He's got something here with this branding of, like, the bourbon, like, the the suburban,

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you know, dad ver dad bod version of a of a fitness competition. Where it's more about the fun and just getting out there and doing something because I think

you know, dad ver dad bod version of a of a fitness competition. Where it's more about the fun and just getting out there and doing something because I think

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in the jobs to be done of what's going on in these races,

in the jobs to be done of what's going on in these races,

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you have

you have

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many things that are being bundled. You have

many things that are being bundled. You have

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the fitness component. You have the social component. I think a lot of these run clubs, by the way, have a big dating component. Because I think you wanna meet people in a context where everybody's, you know, sweaty, you know, sweaty, it's sexy and just, you know, everybody's it's, like, a positive vibes community. You're gonna talk to anybody, approach anybody. I think there's a dating component. So you have the social, you have the fitness, you have the photo component, which is do I do something that I can brag about on social media? Right? How can I go post something on social media that makes me feel better than the average person? And that's how tough mother and Spartan race, like, That was huge for them. So I think there's a bundle of things that you're getting out of these, and then, you know, the last one is kind of like getting people out of the general feeling of softness in their life.

the fitness component. You have the social component. I think a lot of these run clubs, by the way, have a big dating component. Because I think you wanna meet people in a context where everybody's, you know, sweaty, you know, sweaty, it's sexy and just, you know, everybody's it's, like, a positive vibes community. You're gonna talk to anybody, approach anybody. I think there's a dating component. So you have the social, you have the fitness, you have the photo component, which is do I do something that I can brag about on social media? Right? How can I go post something on social media that makes me feel better than the average person? And that's how tough mother and Spartan race, like, That was huge for them. So I think there's a bundle of things that you're getting out of these, and then, you know, the last one is kind of like getting people out of the general feeling of softness in their life.

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Which is, which is very real. And I think only going more and more over time as we spend more and more time on our devices and AI goes in in makes our life even more, you know, everything you want at the touch of a button, people still want something difficult, physical to go do. So I think you can unbundles part of that and make it maybe ramp up the social

Which is, which is very real. And I think only going more and more over time as we spend more and more time on our devices and AI goes in in makes our life even more, you know, everything you want at the touch of a button, people still want something difficult, physical to go do. So I think you can unbundles part of that and make it maybe ramp up the social

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and put down the physical, right, or ramp up the photo

and put down the physical, right, or ramp up the photo

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and, you know, what whatever. So I think you can un unbundle that in a way. So let me tell you something,

and, you know, what whatever. So I think you can un unbundle that in a way. So let me tell you something,

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really quick, and then we'll wrap up on the segment. But Google high I I think you pronounce it hyrox. So h y

really quick, and then we'll wrap up on the segment. But Google high I I think you pronounce it hyrox. So h y

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r o x. Don't go to the website. Just click images.

r o x. Don't go to the website. Just click images.

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So this guy, I think his name's Christian. He used to work for Ironman, the company Ironman,

So this guy, I think his name's Christian. He used to work for Ironman, the company Ironman,

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And about seven years ago, he started this thing called Hyrox,

And about seven years ago, he started this thing called Hyrox,

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and they have events throughout the year as well as a world championship. The world championship just happened on Saturday. Oh, I saw I just saw this on Twitter. Somebody was like, these hierarchs things kill and it was a, like, a photo that just looked massive in scale. It's like a airplane hangar or something. What what is thing. So they rented out, this year, it was in Brooklyn. So I imagine they rented out, like, a whole pier. And the way it works is, I I I think the event changes every time, but I'm not exactly sure. But, basically, they rent out this huge area, and you have to do a series of five exercises in a row, and the first person that wins wins the whole thing. And so exercises are something like,

and they have events throughout the year as well as a world championship. The world championship just happened on Saturday. Oh, I saw I just saw this on Twitter. Somebody was like, these hierarchs things kill and it was a, like, a photo that just looked massive in scale. It's like a airplane hangar or something. What what is thing. So they rented out, this year, it was in Brooklyn. So I imagine they rented out, like, a whole pier. And the way it works is, I I I think the event changes every time, but I'm not exactly sure. But, basically, they rent out this huge area, and you have to do a series of five exercises in a row, and the first person that wins wins the whole thing. And so exercises are something like,

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lunges with a weight on your back, and then it's rowing a certain amount of meters, and then it's running a certain amount of miles.

lunges with a weight on your back, and then it's rowing a certain amount of meters, and then it's running a certain amount of miles.

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And then throwing, like, a,

And then throwing, like, a,

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a weighted ball in the air. Like, you gotta, like, throw it in the air a bunch of times. It's basically the my first muscle challenge, but, like,

a weighted ball in the air. Like, you gotta, like, throw it in the air a bunch of times. It's basically the my first muscle challenge, but, like,

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real match. Fun. And yeah. And the winner did it in an hour, which means I imagine the

real match. Fun. And yeah. And the winner did it in an hour, which means I imagine the

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the race is an hour to three hours depending on the how slow you are. And if you look at the photos, it's all people wearing all black, and they're all smoking hot. Like, everyone who does this is good looking. And so it's sort of like crossfit,

the race is an hour to three hours depending on the how slow you are. And if you look at the photos, it's all people wearing all black, and they're all smoking hot. Like, everyone who does this is good looking. And so it's sort of like crossfit,

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but crossfit kind of has a douchey component to it. This somehow toned it down and they added, like, a New York all black Brooklyn, like Yeah. Swag to it. And it's awesome. So Lance Armstrong competed in it. This this Saturday, Henry. It's literally the Equinox version of Crossfit. It's it's like Equinox aesthetics

but crossfit kind of has a douchey component to it. This somehow toned it down and they added, like, a New York all black Brooklyn, like Yeah. Swag to it. And it's awesome. So Lance Armstrong competed in it. This this Saturday, Henry. It's literally the Equinox version of Crossfit. It's it's like Equinox aesthetics

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of Crossfit. And I think they're killing it. And this, Ken Wrightout who was a guest on our podcast,

of Crossfit. And I think they're killing it. And this, Ken Wrightout who was a guest on our podcast,

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a few times or once he, I hung out with him recently. He was like, hey, I'm gonna be in New York. I'm gonna do this race. He third or fourth or something like that. And I went and looked at the Instagram of the people who want it, and it's their whole life. So now they're, like, dedicating their life to this. And so you when I saw that, I was like, this business is gonna be huge. If people are like, it's like a lot of ex, a lot of ex college athletes who are like, oh, this is like an interesting outlet where I can make a little bit of money. Continue to train because I'm not good enough to, like, be a professional at whatever sport I was doing.

a few times or once he, I hung out with him recently. He was like, hey, I'm gonna be in New York. I'm gonna do this race. He third or fourth or something like that. And I went and looked at the Instagram of the people who want it, and it's their whole life. So now they're, like, dedicating their life to this. And so you when I saw that, I was like, this business is gonna be huge. If people are like, it's like a lot of ex, a lot of ex college athletes who are like, oh, this is like an interesting outlet where I can make a little bit of money. Continue to train because I'm not good enough to, like, be a professional at whatever sport I was doing.

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I think this business is is killing it, and I think we're we're gonna see, a large exit from these guys.

I think this business is is killing it, and I think we're we're gonna see, a large exit from these guys.

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Very interesting.

Very interesting.

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Man, this is a it's a much bigger space than I would have guessed.

Man, this is a it's a much bigger space than I would have guessed.

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For sure. And I think you're seeing a COVID bounce. So I don't know about you, but as I work from home all day, I'm normally I don't really like hanging out with people, but I'm like,

For sure. And I think you're seeing a COVID bounce. So I don't know about you, but as I work from home all day, I'm normally I don't really like hanging out with people, but I'm like,

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I need someone to touch me. Like, I just I

I need someone to touch me. Like, I just I

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like, I need a man to put his arm on my back and ask how I'm doing. Or, like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like like, I need more touch and stuff. And, like, dude, if you're twenty two years old and you're working remotely,

like, I need a man to put his arm on my back and ask how I'm doing. Or, like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like like, I need more touch and stuff. And, like, dude, if you're twenty two years old and you're working remotely,

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I feel really sorry for you that you don't get to experience some of that we got to experience. And I feel sorry for myself, frankly, that I'm still not experiencing it. And so as someone who doesn't like to go to these events, I'm now I'm like, I wanna go meet people. I need to go do this stuff. I need to find my tribe. So I think that's what's happening.

I feel really sorry for you that you don't get to experience some of that we got to experience. And I feel sorry for myself, frankly, that I'm still not experiencing it. And so as someone who doesn't like to go to these events, I'm now I'm like, I wanna go meet people. I need to go do this stuff. I need to find my tribe. So I think that's what's happening.

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That's very cool. Yeah, this is a great great segment.

That's very cool. Yeah, this is a great great segment.

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Can I leave you with one interesting thing that happened to me in our catch up segment here?

Can I leave you with one interesting thing that happened to me in our catch up segment here?

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I got a phone call the other day,

I got a phone call the other day,

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That kind of blows my mind

That kind of blows my mind

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and makes me I feel simultaneously grateful.

and makes me I feel simultaneously grateful.

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Embarrassed

Embarrassed

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and inspired.

and inspired.

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And you might be wondering what could possibly make me grateful embarrassed and inspired at the same time. Here's what Scott Harrison calls me the other day. And I see this voice mail from Scott Harrison. Scott Harrison is the founder of Charity Water. He's been on the pod once, and he's, an incredible guy. I've told a story before, but I'll I'll I'll leave that out for now. He's definitely somebody in my, like, top five people I admire. If you thought said, which entrepreneurs do you admire, I'd be like Scott Harrison is up there.

And you might be wondering what could possibly make me grateful embarrassed and inspired at the same time. Here's what Scott Harrison calls me the other day. And I see this voice mail from Scott Harrison. Scott Harrison is the founder of Charity Water. He's been on the pod once, and he's, an incredible guy. I've told a story before, but I'll I'll I'll leave that out for now. He's definitely somebody in my, like, top five people I admire. If you thought said, which entrepreneurs do you admire, I'd be like Scott Harrison is up there.

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The short version of y is

The short version of y is

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the guy is using his entrepreneurial talents to kind of save the world in a way. He's providing clean water to people who don't have it, which once you see firsthand,

the guy is using his entrepreneurial talents to kind of save the world in a way. He's providing clean water to people who don't have it, which once you see firsthand,

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you feel like something's wrong in the world that people don't have clean water to to, you know, to drink or to bathe in or or sanitation, all that.

you feel like something's wrong in the world that people don't have clean water to to, you know, to drink or to bathe in or or sanitation, all that.

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He's been doing it for a long time. He could be he could be making himself rich some other way if he wanted to, but he decided to devote his life to this. And he didn't the best part of why Meyer is because he didn't start that way. Right? There's some people who they do amazing things, and you're like, they're just sort of born mother Theresa.

He's been doing it for a long time. He could be he could be making himself rich some other way if he wanted to, but he decided to devote his life to this. And he didn't the best part of why Meyer is because he didn't start that way. Right? There's some people who they do amazing things, and you're like, they're just sort of born mother Theresa.

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This guy was, like, a

This guy was, like, a

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partier. Right? Party boy. You know, he was he's like, I was living every deadly sin you could for a period of time, for ten year period of my life. And he turned it or he sort of decided

partier. Right? Party boy. You know, he was he's like, I was living every deadly sin you could for a period of time, for ten year period of my life. And he turned it or he sort of decided

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to make a shift and and ended up doing this. Anyway,

to make a shift and and ended up doing this. Anyway,

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here's the story. Because Scott calls me. I missed the call. I call him back.

here's the story. Because Scott calls me. I missed the call. I call him back.

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What's up? Do you need something? Is there something I can help with for water? What's going on? He said, hey, man. I'm listening to the podcast, and I had some feedback for you, unsolicited feedback. I said, sure, hit me. He said,

What's up? Do you need something? Is there something I can help with for water? What's going on? He said, hey, man. I'm listening to the podcast, and I had some feedback for you, unsolicited feedback. I said, sure, hit me. He said,

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you wanna do this, right? Like, you really like doing this?

you wanna do this, right? Like, you really like doing this?

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Yeah. I love doing this. And this is like your thing. Right? You wanna make this your thing?

Yeah. I love doing this. And this is like your thing. Right? You wanna make this your thing?

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Absolutely. I think I can be great at this.

Absolutely. I think I can be great at this.

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You gotta say like less.

You gotta say like less.

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Oof. And I was like, what?

Oof. And I was like, what?

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Here. There you heard it again.

Here. There you heard it again.

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So I'm I tell him, what do you mean? Said, I was listening to this episode that you guys did.

So I'm I tell him, what do you mean? Said, I was listening to this episode that you guys did.

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Great episode, but I think you said, like, seven hundred times.

Great episode, but I think you said, like, seven hundred times.

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And I'm like, oh, no.

And I'm like, oh, no.

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He's right.

He's right.

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And he's like, you know, I used to do the same thing.

And he's like, you know, I used to do the same thing.

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It's hard to get rid of, but you can get rid of it. And I wanted to tell you that I think you do too much. It doesn't add to what you're doing.

It's hard to get rid of, but you can get rid of it. And I wanted to tell you that I think you do too much. It doesn't add to what you're doing.

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I think you could fix it, and you will be better if you fix it. And I just wanted to tell you that.

I think you could fix it, and you will be better if you fix it. And I just wanted to tell you that.

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And I was like, man,

And I was like, man,

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I had two thoughts. I said, first,

I had two thoughts. I said, first,

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how do you get rid of this? How do I improve that? Is it, like, you said that you improved it? How did you do it? Was there some

how do you get rid of this? How do I improve that? Is it, like, you said that you improved it? How did you do it? Was there some

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technique you did? Did you hire a coach? What'd you do? And he's like, don't worry about that. It's just once it's in your awareness, you'll fix it. You're like, I I am worried about it. Basically, the answer was

technique you did? Did you hire a coach? What'd you do? And he's like, don't worry about that. It's just once it's in your awareness, you'll fix it. You're like, I I am worried about it. Basically, the answer was

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pay attention to it, and you will obviously start to to start to reduce it, and you will You'll work on it. That's all. It'll just take reps. The second thing I felt was,

pay attention to it, and you will obviously start to to start to reduce it, and you will You'll work on it. That's all. It'll just take reps. The second thing I felt was,

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dude, thank you. I'm not that close with Scott Harrison. I like him. I would consider him a friend, but

dude, thank you. I'm not that close with Scott Harrison. I like him. I would consider him a friend, but

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This is the first phone call in five years. Let's say. Right? We don't talk that often.

This is the first phone call in five years. Let's say. Right? We don't talk that often.

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So for him to do that, the the courage and the

So for him to do that, the the courage and the

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care that it takes to call somebody and be like yo, some feedback for you.

care that it takes to call somebody and be like yo, some feedback for you.

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I thought that was an incredible friend moment, and

I thought that was an incredible friend moment, and

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I was, again, simultaneously grateful, embarrassed,

I was, again, simultaneously grateful, embarrassed,

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and inspired by it. And since then, I've been thinking about this, how can

and inspired by it. And since then, I've been thinking about this, how can

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I Just call and insult people? Call people

I Just call and insult people? Call people

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and just ruin their day.

and just ruin their day.

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No. I'm fine. But, like, hey, bitch. I've been thinking about you. You're, you're only five five. We gotta add a few inches to that dork.

No. I'm fine. But, like, hey, bitch. I've been thinking about you. You're, you're only five five. We gotta add a few inches to that dork.

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Radical candor out by.

Radical candor out by.

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You're welcome.

You're welcome.

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Now, seriously, though, this is a gift he gave me a gift. And I was thinking about this. How many of those gifts have I given people?

Now, seriously, though, this is a gift he gave me a gift. And I was thinking about this. How many of those gifts have I given people?

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Very few. Very few. I think it takes a lot of guts to do that. I think it takes a lot care to do that. There's different ways to show somebody you care. There's different ways to give, you know, an active service for somebody.

Very few. Very few. I think it takes a lot of guts to do that. I think it takes a lot care to do that. There's different ways to show somebody you care. There's different ways to give, you know, an active service for somebody.

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And I was like, this is one I can do

And I was like, this is one I can do

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And

And

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for the people in my life that I know, like, me would take it as a gift, I'm gonna do that. Of course, I'm sure that it can go the other way where some people do not take it, well. Dude, Neville, Neville Madora, my best buddy, Neville does that to me all the time. Like, he'll, be like, hey. Can you come over for a few minutes? No. Yeah. Sure. And I'll go over. He goes, hey, so last Friday. You're like, do you need something? He's like, no, you do. Come over.

for the people in my life that I know, like, me would take it as a gift, I'm gonna do that. Of course, I'm sure that it can go the other way where some people do not take it, well. Dude, Neville, Neville Madora, my best buddy, Neville does that to me all the time. Like, he'll, be like, hey. Can you come over for a few minutes? No. Yeah. Sure. And I'll go over. He goes, hey, so last Friday. You're like, do you need something? He's like, no, you do. Come over.

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Well, like, he goes, last Friday night, I had a party over, and this one woman brought her parents there, and you did not let the mom talk nearly enough. You're you're you're kinda

Well, like, he goes, last Friday night, I had a party over, and this one woman brought her parents there, and you did not let the mom talk nearly enough. You're you're you're kinda

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talking over her, and I think it made you look really dumb. And I don't think you are dumb. He has done that to me so many times. That's one example. Another example, I stated is how I didn't make his bed right. He goes, let me show you how to be a better guest in someone's home. Did you see how I had that bed made? Because, Skye really care. I need you to make it Come. Let's make it together. I'm gonna show you how to do it, and that's what I explained to you. He does it all the time. That is amazing. Also,

talking over her, and I think it made you look really dumb. And I don't think you are dumb. He has done that to me so many times. That's one example. Another example, I stated is how I didn't make his bed right. He goes, let me show you how to be a better guest in someone's home. Did you see how I had that bed made? Because, Skye really care. I need you to make it Come. Let's make it together. I'm gonna show you how to do it, and that's what I explained to you. He does it all the time. That is amazing. Also,

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kinda,

kinda,

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kinda big dodgy there. I like that. But Well, he's older than me. He is kinda like an older brother to me. I've always looked up to him, but he's done like, when I was, like, twenty five, I think I had a towel. He stayed at my house, and I had a towel that smelled like mildew. And he goes, and I gave it to him to use. And he goes, come here, Sam. Let me show you something.

kinda big dodgy there. I like that. But Well, he's older than me. He is kinda like an older brother to me. I've always looked up to him, but he's done like, when I was, like, twenty five, I think I had a towel. He stayed at my house, and I had a towel that smelled like mildew. And he goes, and I gave it to him to use. And he goes, come here, Sam. Let me show you something.

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This is not how you treat guests. Or, like and it went and it's always really helpful. He's always sent it to me and I think it's great. But I will say, I know you say like a lot. I kinda like it, to be honest.

This is not how you treat guests. Or, like and it went and it's always really helpful. He's always sent it to me and I think it's great. But I will say, I know you say like a lot. I kinda like it, to be honest.

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Oh, no. I'm getting feedback whiplash now. Wait. It's my thing. Maybe it's my thing.

Oh, no. I'm getting feedback whiplash now. Wait. It's my thing. Maybe it's my thing.

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We should do a charity thing with him.

We should do a charity thing with him.

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We should do we should do some testing. You weren't on that podcast when we did one. So we did one where No. But we should do, like, campaign, like, this would the way we did my first muscle, we should do something whether it's that one or anyway, we should when we did, we've done a few things where we were kind of charitable, but not really. Whenever we do those, it's like the right thing to do and it feels good. We we gotta do we gotta do a little, a little give back then. And I'll post an update of the one that we already did, which was it went to the campaign went to India. So we provided clean water and wells to to people in India. And I think we raised, like, something like fifty thousand. So I wanna provide an update of, like, what happened with that, the impact, which is what

We should do we should do some testing. You weren't on that podcast when we did one. So we did one where No. But we should do, like, campaign, like, this would the way we did my first muscle, we should do something whether it's that one or anyway, we should when we did, we've done a few things where we were kind of charitable, but not really. Whenever we do those, it's like the right thing to do and it feels good. We we gotta do we gotta do a little, a little give back then. And I'll post an update of the one that we already did, which was it went to the campaign went to India. So we provided clean water and wells to to people in India. And I think we raised, like, something like fifty thousand. So I wanna provide an update of, like, what happened with that, the impact, which is what

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one of the key innovations that Scott had with his charity, he was like,

one of the key innovations that Scott had with his charity, he was like,

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no, he was not like.

no, he was not like.

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He decided to,

He decided to,

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change the way that charities work. He's like, I give to I give money to charities, but I never hear back from them. Like, I don't know what happens with with the money. And then they just come back again the next year, and they say, can we have more money. He wanted to have, like, a closed loop so that when you donate, you actually get to see where the money goes, what impact it had. You get to see the photos. He literally installed, like, little Google donated these, like,

change the way that charities work. He's like, I give to I give money to charities, but I never hear back from them. Like, I don't know what happens with with the money. And then they just come back again the next year, and they say, can we have more money. He wanted to have, like, a closed loop so that when you donate, you actually get to see where the money goes, what impact it had. You get to see the photos. He literally installed, like, little Google donated these, like,

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IoT devices, these flow meters so that you can see that the well you helped build you can go in the app and you could literally see how much water is flowing through that well right now. And so he did a lot of experiments like that to, like, change the feeling people get when they give, where they actually get to feel the impact because his belief was if people could see how much good it does, they they would do more. And he was totally right. That's why Charity Waters raised so much money. Alright. Is that the pod? That's it. That's the pod.

IoT devices, these flow meters so that you can see that the well you helped build you can go in the app and you could literally see how much water is flowing through that well right now. And so he did a lot of experiments like that to, like, change the feeling people get when they give, where they actually get to feel the impact because his belief was if people could see how much good it does, they they would do more. And he was totally right. That's why Charity Waters raised so much money. Alright. Is that the pod? That's it. That's the pod.

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